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[Hentailover]

Hm, I found an interesting paralel in this situation. Hear me out.

What we have is a product that has been changed. A number of people find changes to be detrimental, stupid and insulting. Nobody can possibly know the real reasons for the changes but the most likely ones are perceived by people as insulting and unjustified.
People do not wish to support the changes and would rather experience the original version.

Isn't this Star Wars special editions situation?

Like, even if somebody is being a smartass and says "just play japanese versions", how is it different from saying "just watch original VHS release" to a Star wars fan? In both cases, that's not a good solution, as original is not widely accessible and not as easy to experience due to reasons (good like finding a VHS players these days / good luck reading language you don't understand)

 

[GhostTrick]

I dont care for costume changes. But story changes ? Fuck this.

 

[BatDan]

As someone who's spent the last 3 days basically doing nothing but playing Bravely Second, I support every decision made ever.


I wish they'd increase the amount of Job points you get in contrast to EXP though. I'm leveling too fast in contrast to my jobs.

Good to know from someone that's actually played it. Also, lots of time to play since the game isn't out until April. Weird.

If it's like the first game, you can probably turn EXP off.

 

[YianGaruga]

You caring about localizations of games not gonna change anything, just saiyan'. Or anyone posting here, for that matter.

okay? Me doing anything isn't gonna do jack in the grand scheme of things.

That's life

What was the point of that post?

I love Japanese games. I grew up with them as a child, imported a whole bunch when I was younger, and still play a ton of Japanese titles to this day.

Probably 99% of the time, I have not given an iota of shit about changes made to the Western version. Most of the time, the changes are to remove or edit unclothed little girls, and who gives a flying fuck if they make it into the English version or not.

good for you

 

[Tohsaka]

Yeah, I find it dubious to say that this too was for the sake of "art" and more demonstrate her in a sensitive, frail, and sexualized pose referencing bondage.

I mean, when do you get dude's bound up this way?

Have I got a game for you!

Good to know from someone that's actually played it. Also, lots of time to play since the game isn't out until April. Weird.

If it's like the first game, you can probably turn EXP off.

The game came out in Europe on Friday.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Play more otome and bara games.

So to see males being sexualized like that you need to play very niche games targeted at a very specific audience. But to see females being sexualized like that, all you need is a standard JRPG. xD

Anyway, has the side-quest thing been confirmed? Because that is just ridiculous and I can't imagine why the localization team would do that.

 

[rhandino]

They also removed all mentions of religion, and rewrote plot points around said removal. XCX had a weak story, and major plot changes in the localization exasperated the problem.

Vicious lies

There's a lot of misinformation going on, about how much has been taken out. The more extreme claims are absolutely insane and overly dramatic.

First, no religious references have been removed, except for the BLADE acronym, which probably wasn't removed for being religious. The BLADE acronym originally stood for "Beyond the Logos Artificial Destiny Emancipator", but now stands for "Builders of the Legacy After the Destruction of Earth." In this case, The Logos refers to god. However, it's more likely that the acronym was changed because it was awkward and a bit engrishy than because it had a religious reference.

Other claimed religious reference removals have been debunked. They follow:

1. BLADE division "Testament." This was used in the context of "last will and testament", and most of the BLADE divisions had their names changed. The new name fits what the division does in the story.

2. The character of L, who according to some is a reference to Lucifer, with his name an obvious reference to it. The localized version of his name is L'cirufe... which is an anagram for Lucifer. Neat. (The Japanese name was spelled "Rushirufe" in katakana. Anyone who claims that the reference to Lucifer was removed, if it is a reference, is now proven wrong.)

3. The Skell Amdusias retains its name in the localized version. Amdusias is the name of a demon. (The Skell Mastema is also a religious reference.)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/701151-xenoblade-chronicles-x/72842111

And that's not getting into the fact that there is a MASSIVE church in the middle of the city with a priest and one of the most extensive sidequests in the game deals with how people cope with the destruction of Earth with religion and how people could be manipulated because of it.

 

[aravuus]

Quest changes are so bizarre

"''No"""

Wowee, what a childish post

 

[Warxard]

You caring about localizations of games not gonna change anything, just saiyan'. Or anyone posting here, for that matter.

Damn this is some shit I would say to get a reaction out of someone.

That's fucked up.

 

[Dice//]

I love Japanese games. I grew up with them as a child, imported a whole bunch when I was younger, and still play a ton of Japanese titles to this day.

Probably 99% of the time, I have not given an iota of shit about changes made to the Western version. Most of the time, the changes are to remove or edit unclothed little girls, and who gives a flying fuck if they make it into the English version or not.

well said.

 

[Rhys Wilde]

So many drive-by posters with misinformation in these threads. Like people read the title, post, then never look back.

I normally don't care about cosmetic changes but if they really changed the side-quest story elements that's really lame. Already got the SE on pre-order but if I didn't I probably wouldn't be so eager to get it.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

So to see males being sexualized like that you need to play very niche games targeted at a very specific audience. But to see females being sexualized like that, all you need is a standard JRPG. xD

See my edit, I agree with you. Less sexualized female characters isn't my solution, it's more sexualized male characters.

 

[A Link to the Past]

So to see males being sexualized like that you need to play very niche games targeted at a very specific audience. But to see females being sexualized like that, all you need is a standard JRPG. xD

Anyway, has the side-quest thing been confirmed? Because that is just ridiculous and I can't imagine why the localization team would do that.

My first reaction to that too lol.

Vicious lies



http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/701151-xenoblade-chronicles-x/72842111

And that's not getting into the fact that there is a MASSIVE church in the middle of the city with a priest and one of the most extensive sidequests in the game deals with how people cope with the destruction of Earth towards faith.

This is another reason why I don't like much of this movement :v A lot of it seems to involve spreading misinformation or otherwise overreacting to things that never happened.

 

[Giever]

I dislike being associated with this side of the discussion because this side of the discussion is co-opted by GG and related groups.

I just don't understand feeling this way. You aren't supporting any shitty practices/causes/etc. of GG by having that opinion. There are plenty of people generally on the 'anti-overt-changes-in-localization' side that aren't really influenced by GG. And, in any case, every individual issue is distinct from every other issue.

I see no dissonance in holding, simultaneously: "GG is awful and promotes abuse of women, etc.", "A lot of localization changes I see people whine about seem silly." and, "It's kind of lame that they would chop out a bunch of alternative side-quest endings."

Like, they're easily all independent of each other, but if you gotta feel weird about it, I guess do what you do.

 

[YianGaruga]

So to see males being sexualized like that you need to play very niche games targeted at a very specific audience. But to see females being sexualized like that, all you need is a standard JRPG. xD

See and that's what we need to change. More sexualized males in mainstream games. But no one is talking about that. It's always about removing content, benefiting no one.

 

[The Silver]

OK, straight up taking out endings and choice from sidequests is full on bullshit.

 

[RM8]

See my edit, I agree with you. Less sexualized female characters isn't my solution, it's more sexualized male characters.

Ew, nope. I'd quit Japanese games if they'd offer nothing but pandering male and female characters. I don't want to feel like my hobby is softcore porn.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

The only people that don't like censorship are Gamergate.

Maybe the well really is poisoned.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

See my edit, I agree with you. Less sexualized female characters isn't my solution, it's more sexualized male characters.

Yeah I know that's what you think but I don't agree. I don't mind sexual content if it makes sense in the story, but having heroes and soldiers (in a non-comedy story) dressed like strippers is completely stupid and I don't know why anyone would want that. Hell in the case of a 3DS JRPG it's not even arousing, unless you're titillated by low-res pixels.

 

[MotionBlue]

Vicious lies



http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/701151-xenoblade-chronicles-x/72842111

And that's not getting into the fact that there is a MASSIVE church in the middle of the city with a priest and one of the most extensive sidequests in the game deals with how people cope with the destruction of Earth towards faith.

I recanted almost immediately. I get riled up about XCX, as it was incredibly disappointing for me.

This is another reason why I don't like much of this movement :v A lot of it seems to involve spreading misinformation or otherwise overreacting to things that never happened.

Stop making everything about GG. That thing rightfully died. You're just using a strawman against opinions you dislike.

 

[A Link to the Past]

The only people that don't like censorship are Gamergate.

Maybe the well really is poisoned.

Wtf are you talking about lol

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Good to know from someone that's actually played it. Also, lots of time to play since the game isn't out until April. Weird.

If it's like the first game, you can probably turn EXP off.

Oh shit! Thanks so much!

I'm gonna grind for job points with exp turned off for a while! This is a godsend!

 

[Phu]

Localization's gonna localize and everyone has different ideas for how far it should go. Even as a kid I knew Brock's jelly-filled donuts were filled with lies [ain't never seen donuts like that!] so stuff like this is especially grating.

 

[Warxard]

The only people that don't like censorship are Gamergate.

Maybe the well really is poisoned.

Hmm

 

[SolicitorPirate]

good for you

Hey, if you're going to invoke fans of Japanese games like we're some kind of monolithic entity that hates changing content during localisation, then I get to throw my hat in the ring and say you're full of crap

 

[Escalario]

Damn this is some shit I would say to get a reaction out of someone.

That's fucked up.

It's the truth tho :V None of us posting in this thread will make a difference about this situation. Maybe if it was known months before the game came out in the west, SE would not do it, but now?

 

[Hard]

The only people that don't like censorship are Gamergate.

Maybe the well really is poisoned.

?

You're putting two unrelated things together.

 

[Hatty]

Yeah I know that's what you think but I don't agree. I don't mind sexual content if it makes sense in the story, but having heroes and soldiers (in a non-comedy story) dressed like strippers is completely stupid and I don't know why anyone would want that. Hell in the case of a 3DS JRPG it's not even arousing, unless you're titillated by low-res pixels.

Sexualization isn't about arousal you know. No one is getting hot and bothered over low poly models

 

[YianGaruga]

Hey, if you're going to invoke fans of Japanese games like we're some kind of monolithic entity that hates changing content during localisation, then I get to throw my hat in the ring and say you're full of crap

I mean I was obviously talking about the anti-censorship crowd but feel free to insult me

Yeah I know that's what you think but I don't agree. I don't mind sexual content if it makes sense in the story, but having heroes and soldiers (in a non-comedy story) dressed like strippers is completely stupid and I don't know why anyone would want that. Hell in the case of a 3DS JRPG it's not even arousing, unless you're titillated by low-res pixels.

I like my games to have silly and unrealistic and unpractical design. Because they're video games. And in 99% of the cases I don't find skimpy outfits arousing either. Naked skin just looks nice and aesthetic. If I want to play a game with realistic armor I'm going to play Dragon Age or something. Not every game needs to be that way.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Did they censor Tiz's personality btw? Or did he never have one?

 

[Elaugaufein]

The only people that don't like censorship are Gamergate.

Maybe the well really is poisoned.

Or this is GAF, where a vague sort of approval of authoritarianism and/or puritanism in support of a rather limited set of approved causes is totally normal.

 

[BatDan]

The game came out in Europe on Friday.

Ah, that makes more sense.
Until we get more sources, it's best to wait.

The only people that don't like censorship are Gamergate.

Maybe the well really is poisoned.

What the fuck is this?

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Wtf are you talking about lol

What the fuck is this?

The idea of being "uncomfortable" to speak out against removal of quest content (or any content at all) because that's the same side people in GG are on is such an alien mindset to me. Game censorship and the discussion it inspired predates GG by decades, with it peaking a decade ago when actual legal ramifications could have been put in place, with the anti-censorship people being on the "winning" side.

It's ridiculous that anyone that's against removal of or heavily altered content, whether for artistic integrity or otherwise, has to denounce GG at every turn. It's a harassment group that just so happens to share a few ideals with far less extreme people.

I could Godwin's law this and say it's like saying you would feel uncomfortable liking dogs because Hitler liked dogs.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I recanted almost immediately. I get riled up about XCX, as it was incredibly disappointing for me.


Stop making everything about GG. That thing rightfully died. You're just using a strawman against opinions you dislike.

What in the world are you talking about? I mentioned GG once, and only in the context of associating itself with this movement (and by the way, GG is still actively harassing, so I have no idea what you mean by it rightfully dying").

The idea of being "uncomfortable" to speak out against removal of quest content (or any content at all) because that's the same side people in GG are on is such an alien mindset to me. Game censorship and the discussion it inspired predates GG by decades, with it peaking a decade ago when actual legal ramifications could have been put in place, with the anti-censorship people being on the "winning" side.

It's ridiculous that anyone that's against removal of or heavily altered content, whether for artistic integrity or otherwise, has to denounce GG at every turn. It's a harassment group that just so happens to share a few ideals with far less extreme people.

I could Godwin's law this and say it's like saying you would feel uncomfortable liking dogs because Hitler liked dogs.

Yes, people are validly uncomfortable with being on the same side as a movement that has been co-opted to a rather significant degree by a violent hate group

This isn't like "Hitler liked dogs", this is "this one, small movement has a lot of negative elements that directly affect me and thus I find it uncomfortable to associate with it."

 

[Velcro Fly]

costume changes i don't care. i hardly notice it in game

art book being changed i don't really care. i don't know what i'm missing and it mostly seems like stuff i don't care much about anyway. i can look at it online if i really want to see it.

the sidequest change feels like they are changing the game on a dumb level. it is a little annoying but again i'm not sure what i'm missing so i'm not sure how upset i am yet.

 

[rhandino]

?

You're putting two unrelated things together.

Are they? Because #TorrentialDownpour happened.

Did they censor Tiz's personality btw? Or did he never have one?

Ok, I laughed.

 

[Hard]

The idea of being "uncomfortable" to speak out against removal of quest content (or any content at all) because that's the same side people in GG are on is such an alien mindset to me. Game censorship and the discussion it inspired predates GG by decades, with it peaking a decade ago when actual legal ramifications could have been put in place, with the anti-censorship people being on the "winning" side.

It's ridiculous that anyone that's against removal of or heavily altered content, whether for artistic integrity or otherwise, has to denounce GG at every turn. It's a harassment group that just so happens to share a few ideals with far less extreme people.

I could Godwin's law this and say it's like saying you would feel uncomfortable liking dogs because Hitler liked dogs.

Most of us were taking your comment at face value :^/

 

[RM8]

Sexualization isn't about arousal you know. No one is getting hot and bothered over low poly models

People say this and I truly want to believe it, but then we get those threads about Rainbow Mika and DOAX character reveals... And yeah. Maybe it's different since those games don't have 240p chibi breasts.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Yeah I know that's what you think but I don't agree. I don't mind sexual content if it makes sense in the story, but having heroes and soldiers (in a non-comedy story) dressed like strippers is completely stupid and I don't know why anyone would want that. Hell in the case of a 3DS JRPG it's not even arousing, unless you're titillated by low-res pixels.

I think there should be games with sexualized females, sexualized males, no sexualized either, sexualized both, and everything in between in the mainstream. I'm not saying throw heavy sexualization into something where it doesn't belong, I'm saying get more variety in general.

 

[BatDan]

Does this make people angry?

 

[Escalario]

Are they? Because #TorrentialDownpour happened.

So what's this #TorrentialDownpour thingy?

Does this make people angry?

The interesting thing is, in the EU version of TTYD (or at least the Spanish one, which is what I've played), Vivian is kept the same as in the Japanese version. Why NA version got changed in that regard? Who the hell knows the real explanation.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Most of us were taking your comment at face value :^/

lol, I think I've made my stance clear in that I'm very anti-censorship and also anti-GG in this thread, but I guess I should have put an /s anyway.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Sexualization isn't about arousal you know. No one is getting hot and bothered over low poly models

I would hope so, lol. But seeing how staunchly some people defend their sexualized chibi loli waifus, and how it's so one-sided towards female characters, well, sometimes I wonder.

I think there should be games with sexualized females, sexualized males, no sexualized either, sexualized both, and everything in between in the mainstream. I'm not saying throw heavy sexualization into something where it doesn't belong, I'm saying get more variety in general.

I can agree with that. I think we probably disagree on "where it belongs" refers to, though. xD

Anyway, this is getting more of a general tangent and less about Bravely Second. So has the side-quest thing been confirmed? Someone earlier said that GameFAQs post was the only source on the matter.

Edit:

If those quests have been changed and gutted, that's definitely the sort of thing that changes the game from 'might buy' to 'probably won't bother' for me.

Don't really care about the other changes.

Yeah, this.

 

[Zelias]

If those quests have been changed and gutted, that's definitely the sort of thing that changes the game from 'might buy' to 'probably won't bother' for me.

Don't really care about the other changes.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Yes we get it, you care very much about words.

Others just use them to communicate and most are perfectly capable of understanding what they mean in context.

Sure, but this discussion would be different if it was actually censorship. That's why using the correct word is important.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Does this make people angry?

If I knew about it as it was going on and not years after release, I would have been in the thread decrying it as well. Trans representation is really goddamn rare in games and should not be censored.

Edit: I didn't watch the video by the way, I just saw it was TTYD and know the thing with Vivian.

 

[Asd202]

Indeed. And for those who didn't klick that link to avoid possible spoiler:

"They removed all the non-neutral sidequest/Asterisk quest outcomes; any choices that would cause characters to die have been removed. Whatever choice you make now, you'll receive the neutral outcome where both sides make it out ok. Compare this to the Japanese versions where you had 4 different outcomes, with VOICED cutscenes!"

WTF?

 

[YianGaruga]

Does this make people angry?

There's tons of things in there. Not all changes are equally bad, especially when it's about just changing names of towns and chapters.

Any one in particular you want to mention? I saw the one where they removed mario's hand movement ion the German version. That's pretty dumb.

I also think you're overestimating how "angry" people actually are over this.

 

[themagicalkitsune]

I guess I'll youtube the cut segments then.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Oh, I can totally see why they felt the need to omit one of those pages...

I'm amused at Bravely Default trying iT with those bondage illustrations.

Do they own the art they made or is owned by S-E?

Maybe at some point bondage was important to the game. Or maybe it was promo art. BioShock Infinite's art book for the first couple of pages shows unused concept art of enemies that were modeled after the original game before they decided to go with a more Americana theme. It's nice to see all stages of what a game goes through in development. Where it started and what the final vision was.