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MS confirms indie program for XB1, was a big GamesCom surprise, angry at GI for leak
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famousmortimer
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Couple things...
Sorry for the tease earlier. I honestly hadn't even realized I did it until my box/gchat blew up. I was thinking outloud like a dumbass. I can't spill the beans, i'm sorry.
Also... talked to a dude at sony this afternoon that said what CBOAT is saying is also what the industry chatter is. Basically this is a backdoor to put content on Windows 8/XB1 and potentially Win phone 8. But it's going to be less powerful. For the ten of you with Vitas... think of it as PSM is on the Vita. And for the record... I love PSM on the vita. This is a good thing for MS.
I don't know that this is fact, but this has been the going rumor all summer and is still what the chatter is today, post announcement.
I've also gotten a strangely high number of PMs asking if Sony is going to open their PS4s to be debug units. As far as I know (and I don't know much)... no. But they are handing out dev kits to anyone and everyone who asks for one that shows even slightly promising work. Sony isn't sweating any sort of indie exodus. They are treating them as equals, microsoft is seemingly sectioning them off . We'll see.
That's all the chatter I have about this for now.
Sorry for the tease earlier. I honestly hadn't even realized I did it until my box/gchat blew up. I was thinking outloud like a dumbass. I can't spill the beans, i'm sorry.
Also... talked to a dude at sony this afternoon that said what CBOAT is saying is also what the industry chatter is. Basically this is a backdoor to put content on Windows 8/XB1 and potentially Win phone 8. But it's going to be less powerful. For the ten of you with Vitas... think of it as PSM is on the Vita. And for the record... I love PSM on the vita. This is a good thing for MS.
I don't know that this is fact, but this has been the going rumor all summer and is still what the chatter is today, post announcement.
I've also gotten a strangely high number of PMs asking if Sony is going to open their PS4s to be debug units. As far as I know (and I don't know much)... no. But they are handing out dev kits to anyone and everyone who asks for one that shows even slightly promising work. Sony isn't sweating any sort of indie exodus. They are treating them as equals, microsoft is seemingly sectioning them off . We'll see.
That's all the chatter I have about this for now.
IHaveCandy
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I really wish MS would just say whether or not the games can fully utilize all of the hardware. I don't see how it's possible if the console is the dev kit though.
dragonelite
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Dont know, all he said access to 3GB. In what OS he didn't say.
If he means 3GB in the game os with full access to the game os resources i personally am okey with it. That for a hobby coder is a lot more then Ouya and WiiU and will hopefully give you more performance too.
Wish he clarified more.
Thank god for these guys in the Xbox team.
bigboss370
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Dead Prince
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Megatron
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This is great information.
LukasTaves
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They did said indie devs would get the same hardware access as other devs, we just don't know if that's true or not yet XD
xemumanic
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I guess expecting some level of objectivity is too much to ask for.
According to some articles you can make a self published game on a standard dev kit right now instead of waiting for the consumer model to get that support. So what would prevent you from getting full access to that hardware? Also in the Giantbomb interview Patrick mentions going to Target and buying an Xbone and getting the same level of hardware access that Respawn has with Titanfall. The answer was yes.
Got that but I can't copy the image url... like with pics and gifs... how do I post it with the image still intact
Also thank you for taking some of your time in helping me out really appreciate it
Just screen cap it and upload it to an image hosting site, and link off to the tweet
Ya...okay, lol
If he knew enough to clarify about the limitations for self publishing that GI leaked (even though his info ended up being wrong), why didn't he leak that they'd be allowing self-publishing when that had been set in motion for such a long time? Considering people in the media were aware of it weeks ago. It sounds like he deliberately withheld a positive development, and reacted to it becoming public knowledge by trying to downplay it.
Go read the giantbomb interview, this question has been answered.
Also famous, everything you just posted goes against what Mark and Phil have been saying in interviews today.
IHaveCandy
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Then why aren't Respawn's dev kits just regular old Xbox Ones? Why do they have extra hardware and software overhead?
TheRealTalker
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Just screen cap it and upload it to an image hosting site, and link off to the tweet
Alright thanks
kinda complex way in just posting a tweet
We'll need to talk to half a dozen more MS PR people, who will all provide different answers, then take the top 2 answers that are closest to each other in message.
Then wait for Microsoft to figure it out themselves.
Must be pretty big then.
Probably why this isn't happening till next year. Have to finish all the tools, etc.
GoofsterStud
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While I'm glad they are changing there archaic ways.
This is a little late for launch titles. Still we'll see more indie love on all consoles!
Indies deserve the chance. (thumbs up)
This is a little late for launch titles. Still we'll see more indie love on all consoles!
Indies deserve the chance. (thumbs up)
Alright thanks
kinda complex way in just posting a tweet
Yeah, I wish we could just embed them. There's code in here for embedding tweets ( [ TWEET ] [ /TWEET ] ), it just doesn't seem to be enabled fully.
How would you be able to test said program?
Archaic ways? You are totally ignoring what MS stance of indies has been up until now, aren't you? Or are you also buying into the false narrative?
This sounds no different than the clusterfuck that was XBL indie games. It sounds like another free for all section of their store like it was on XBL. If that is the case, then do games in the main section still require a publisher, or are the they going to allow a moderated and promoted self published market like Sony and Valve do?
Garrett 2U
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It depends how much of the hardware you can use and how much access you have to Kinect, cloud, and achievements, and the dev environment.
The console having a dev mode is a huge plus.
It very well could be.
Chobel
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Just a clarification: CBOAT leak was before GI article
IHaveCandy
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But those tools require overhead. I mean if your game is maxing out every drop of the Xbox One's hardware, what are these tools running on? The only thing I could possibly think is the Windows partition of hardware gets freed up for the dev kit part, but that seems risky for hacking.
So is he right or not?
Delusibeta
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So far, nobody knows. That said, what CBoaT said is what everyone outside of Microsoft continues to think is the case. Remember, this is the company that a couple of months ago thought it was a good idea to require an internet connection check every 24 hours.
I would assume you would be working on your PC and Xbox one. Debugging on the Xbox, etc. Hell if I know
dragonelite
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I think most devs are more interested in how GPU and CPU performance we can get.
They could give me 8/8GB but if it meant i can only use 20% then never mind then.
And this being a back door to more games on the win8/wp8 marketplace every developer saw that coming months ago.
MS will probably strikes a deal if you also release on win8 marketplace we will take a smaller cut might the game be successful.
Microsoft's interview with GiantBomb seems to say no.
This is how Whitten describes that
Don't know if that's a bullshit thing to say or what.
BleachAndPepsi
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Giant Bomb and IGN, specifically. Though I'm sure it's elsewhere too.
LukasTaves
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Apparently the final devkits are indeed the same as the retail unit, including memory setup.
The difference can probably be attributed to better tools and more performant apis on the actual devkit. I doubt Ms would just give those for free, without even asking anyone to sign a NDA agreement...
GoofsterStud
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Archaic means they haven't changed an improved.
You can start good and become archaic. "old-fashioned"
TheRealTalker
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Uh, how can you not tell that it is indeed a reactionary move? Did the "within a year" bit really not give you a hint?
Well they WERE the ones to bring indies to the spotlight this gen
Did people believe they were going to drop indies this genie it wasn't for Sony?
I guess from now on any positive move they do will seem reactionary, regardless if it is or not.
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