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Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore or Frank Miller: Who you with?

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Snowybreak

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MHWilliams said:
Alan Moore dragged us into decades of a specific tone in DC and Marvel Comics.

And if you haven't read his non-DC stuff, you could be forgiven for thinking someone else is more creative. Even is DC stuff is weird.


Dude is batshit.
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That looks like whoever did those panels was on mushrooms. Seriously.

Anyways, Gaiman. If only for the fact that he teamed up with Pratchett to write Good Omens.

RIP...
 
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Platy

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darkistheway said:
I always judge comic creators by their hair:

Moore>Miller>Gaiman
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Fabio Moon (from casanova/daytripper) made a comic about Neil Gaiman's Hair with a "draw your own Gaiman's bad hair day"

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https://twitter.com/fabiomoon/status/784179675677458432

Your argument is invalid
 
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kmfdmpig

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whatsinaname said:
Warren Ellis. (Though he would be in the top group in my personal groupings).
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Yes! Not sure how I forgot about him. I was thinking of books that stood out, and Ellis had both Authority and Transmet which did that for sure. Transmet is easily one of my top 5 of all time.

Speaking of writers named "E**is" I know that many fans don't like Ennis, but I've become more and more of a fan of his in the last few years. He tends to get pigeonholed for his excesses (Boys, Preacher, Pro), but he's capable of being both a bit more mainstream (Hitman, Punisher, Nick Fury) and much more grounded and realistic (Battlefields, War Stories, Dreaming Eagles).

Disgraced said:
Matt Wagner
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This is a good addition. Mage is an absolute classic, and one that I think doesn't get enough respect. I read it for the first time about 8 years ago and was blown away by how good it was.
 
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Matty77

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Tough question. Just impact on Comics Moore.

However on both overall influence and influence on me it's Gaiman.
 
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conman

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Neil Gaiman for his work. Alan Moore for his insane worldview. Frank Miller can jump in an icy river full of razor blades.
 
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kmfdmpig

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conman said:
Neil Gaiman for his work. Alan Moore for his insane worldview. Frank Miller can jump in an icy river full of razor blades.
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I get not liking Miller's recent persona/politics, but his bibliography is unimpeachable.

Batman Year One is a serious contender for the best Batman story ever written.
Dark Knight Returns is not only highly influential, but also widely liked and it holds up quite well.
Sin City was great.
His Daredevil run is one of the best ever and that's saying a lot as there have been a lot of good writers/runs on Daredevil over the years.
Ronin was a solid comic.
He created Elektra.

I'm not saying this is the case with you, but I think there is a tendency for a lot of comic fans now, who dislike the person he has become, to discount the quality of his work in the 80s/early 90s.
 
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LionPride

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Moore has had more of an impact, but holy shit Gaiman is the only sane one out of these three.

Plus fuck Frank Miller
 
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StoOgE said:
Gaiman.

Sandman is god tier.

He's also the least insane at this point in time.
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I need to finish Sandman. My friend was buying the larger volumes, and I was borrowing after he finished. I think he got 3 or 4 of the volumes, then just stopped. And I've been too cheap to pick up the rest.

But for now I'm diving into American Gods. I'm not a fan of the main character Shadow, but I'm only 74 pages in. Maybe he'll grow on me. Wednesday is great, but that is probably because I'm picturing Ian McShane the whole time.
 
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Goodstyle

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Alan Moore 1000x. Joker didn't have a character before "The Killing Joke". My fave comic character owes a great deal gratitude to his work.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
SpaceWolf said:
Where does this "Alan Moore is insane" thing come from, exactly?
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A combination of his unfiltered hatred for certain elements of the super hero comicbook world and the fact he does write some absolute bat shit stuff, both good and bad. Lost Girls was... something else...
 
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Frozenprince

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Okay are we getting them as they are creatively TODAY or are we getting them in the 80's when they had some shit to say?

Gaiman if it's today, Moore if it's the 80's. Moore today is a legitimate insane person.

Frank Miller is too busy spanking it to his anarchist porn to help.
 
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Secret Fawful

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Alan Moore is my favorite. I love most of what he's made, with some exceptions, and when he's made a classic, he's made a classic that holds up as a genuine masterpiece.

His insanity just makes him a more interesting writer.

Slayven said:
I feel like i should make an anti mattter version of this thread

John Bryne, Mark Millar, and Frank Miller
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I mean, Bryne wins easily.

Also, Year One is so good I don't believe Miller wrote it.
 
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kmfdmpig

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Frozenprince said:
Unpopular opinion time.

Neither Watchmen nor TDKR hold up all that well.
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Opinions and all, but I disagree. I read Watchmen every year or two and I find that I enjoy and appreciate it more each time. TDKR I read less frequently, but it still holds up well for me, although I don't think it's on the same level as Watchmen. Batman Year One is Miller's real masterpiece and that holds up very well, IMO.
 
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Platy

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Kimawolf said:
And believes in the Ideaspace- all creations are "real" and exist somewhere.
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Which means that not even Alan Moore would vote for Alan Moore as most creative.

Since you can't create what already exists.

Frozenprince said:
Unpopular opinion time.

Neither Watchmen nor TDKR hold up all that well.
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TDKR specialy ... lots of other batman stories are better than this.
It was unique for its time but now has nothing omfg

That said, Sandman is like fine wine.
Every time I reread I understand a new reference and a new god and a new quote and it all becomes more amazing
 
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Matty77

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Slayven said:
I feel like i should make an anti mattter version of this thread

John Bryne, Mark Millar, and Frank Miller
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Is it for the best of? Then Byrne.

Shittiest, then it's Miller both times. Yes he wrote some good comics but his horrible crap balances the scales against him somewhat as for influence he even more than Moore was responsible for the decades of edgelord tryhard Dark and gritty.

In fact referring back to your question I am not sure we end up with Millar without Miller's fingerprint on the industry.

Edit: when I say Byrne is the best I mean his influence and work before going off the rails (remember he was part of the whole reason we even care about the X-Men) not condoning his real world issues and views, same as I did not hold Moore's out of comics persona against him for his work.
 
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Slayven

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Matty77 said:
Is it for the best of? Then Byrne.

Shittiest, then it's Miller both times. Yes he wrote some good comics but his horrible crap balances the scales against him somewhat as for influence he even more than Moore was responsible for the decades of edgelord tryhard Dark and gritty.

In fact referring back to your question I am not sure we end up with Millar without Miller's fingerprint on the industry.

Edit: when I say Byrne is the best I mean his influence and work before going off the rails (remember he was part of the whole reason we even care about the X-Men) not condoning his real world issues and views, same as I did not hold Moore's out of comics persona against him for his work.
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I agree, Bryne did pretty much make the modern interpretation of Superman. But Bryne is also one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever put color on paper.
 
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Shaanyboi

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Both Miller and Moore are fucking whackjobs now so... Gaiman by default.
He's the best writer of the bunch anyway.
 
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Already Torn

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I think Frank Miller has always been bad, Alan Moore has made some of the best stuff out there but isn't someone I would want to talk to, and Neil Gaiman is one of greats in any medium, not just comic book writers.

Frozenprince said:
Unpopular opinion time.

Neither Watchmen nor TDKR hold up all that well.
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Watchmen holds up for the Doc Manhatten origin chapter alone, and is sort of relevant again with the whole Cold War thing.
 
JeTmAn81

JeTmAn81

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You can't really beat Alan Moore, but I hold Gaiman in nearly equal respect, taking his novels into account beyond just comics. Frank Miller is great too but not quite in their tier.
 
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Matty77

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Slayven said:
I agree, Bryne did pretty much make the modern interpretation of Superman. But Bryne is also one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever put color on paper.
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Which is why right after posting I went right back and edited, I wanted to make sure it was understood I was only rating the work not the piece of garbage it came from.
 
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ElBoxyBrown

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Gaiman revolutionized the indie scene when he popularized Vertigo. Superhero comics are important but indies are the real treasure of the industry and the reason we have new readers.
 
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