Nostalgia goggles can be really strong/wrong. I remember a couple of weeks ago linking my brother to a gameplay video of the Crash remaster (because I didn't like the way the trailer made the movement look), and he was like"it doesn't look all that different". Linked him to the trailer that did comparisons between the original and the remaster one after the other, and he was shocked at how much worse the original looked compared to his memory of it.
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NieR Automata PS4 demo available now
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brickarts295
Member
Game is tight. I'll give a rent. But if it impresses me more I'll definitely buy it.
So 2B is Mikasa huh....
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Could've completed the formula if 9S was Eren.
Movalpolos
Banned
Is it March yet?
What's R1 supposed to be?
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
PSY・S;227138140 said:
Pod shot.
Thanks.
are u sure, Nier 1 is totally a different game.... I didn't like it, I do like this demo
fvng
Member
yeah i think people have over inflated views of ps2's graphics, maybe they should try playing it on an OG ps2 instead of pcsx2
let him decide whether he likes it.
It's true, in fact whenever i saw one at gamestop i would buy another one either to give to a friend or to have an extra in my collection in case of a flood #youneverknow
Orochinagis
Member
Played the english version , still funny how 2B over reacts.
hans_castorp
Member
You don't really need to have any previous knowledge. The connections are usually really subtle.
Anyway, Nier is based on the 9/11 incident, and it's Yoko Taro's most grounded game.
The ending where (Vague ending spoilers)
you slaughter defendless children, doom humanity to extinction and erase yourself from existence
Drakengard... Let's just say it's weird.
What happened in D1 ending is the reason why Nier world went shit. And that a character named Accord might appear in this one
Also red eyes in a character means problems.
ProgenitorCastle
Banned
Played the demo...combat is godly as expected! Was surprised by two things: 2Bs personality which was serious and cold, and by how cute the enemy robots were! They're adorable in how they leap towards you. Haven't played any of Taro Yoko's games before but I'm assuming the changing camera angles in the demo were a Yoko signature...it's a neat touch IMO. Looking forward to the full game in March
I don't think it's fair to complain about the dub when it's doing its best to translate the expressions. Whatever cultural difference there is... as this isn't a text-based game that has lip-syncing and timings based on the Japanese version, it would be extremely difficult for them to do anything else.
For myself, I don't see a difference with ma'am and -san. I understand the intention all the same.
A lot of things (like in Chrono Trigger) can't be translated because some expressions don't exist in other languages.
I personally find the English dub good enough that I'd prefer being able to look away from the screen and still listen to what's going on.
IMO, the more Japanese I learn the less I like Japanese VOs. They're not necessarily natural themselves. Anime/game speak is not "realistic" and can sound cringey when you understand it.
Bad English VOs are like Phantasy Star Universe or Blue Dragon.
For myself, I don't see a difference with ma'am and -san. I understand the intention all the same.
A lot of things (like in Chrono Trigger) can't be translated because some expressions don't exist in other languages.
I personally find the English dub good enough that I'd prefer being able to look away from the screen and still listen to what's going on.
IMO, the more Japanese I learn the less I like Japanese VOs. They're not necessarily natural themselves. Anime/game speak is not "realistic" and can sound cringey when you understand it.
Bad English VOs are like Phantasy Star Universe or Blue Dragon.
People always remember things in HD.
Found a post on tumblr that's not really relevant to any discussion at hand, but I figured I'd share anyway for the curious:
Source with pics
Source with pics
Orochinagis
Member
Jesus, poor girls wearing those heels
Nope. Nagai's style is pretty distinctive.
potatohead
Member
If he couldn't tell that between a ps1 game and a ps4 games that's not nostalgia goggles that's just straight up not being into games enough to realize how big the gap is. That's just being dumb/being a layman /not thinking.
Like there should be no confusion between a ps1 game and ps4 for anyone playing games even seldomly
I think going for 75 is a bit low, even rising hit the 80 mark on all platforms.
I'm really loving the freedom you get with the evade/dash mechanic. Is anyone using the O button as their dash? I am and it's worked wonders for me. Also, using the bare fists feels incredible.
I hope in the game we'll get a
like in the first Nier. It was at that point in the original game where I was sold on it being one of the most imaginative-rich games I've ever played.
I hope in the game we'll get a
text adventure dungeon
Pinko Marx
Banned
MGR was a liner action game though. Those are much easier to review than what Nier:A will be. The original Nier was an ugly game filled with fetch quests, with a battle system that was "Decent" at best.
We know, at least, that the battle system is 10000000000000x better thanks to P*s involvement, but if they follow the same template for their overworld (read: bland, flat), and side quests then the game may not review well much like the original.
This is coming from a big fan of Nier 1. I just recognize the game has its faults.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Things I liked about the demo:
1) Nice and fluid combat, appreciate the 60 fps
2) 2B's character model looks and moves great
Things I didn't like:
1) The whole demo focused on the one part of Nier that made me groan almost every time -- combat against those stupid red balls.
2) Real absence of everything I enjoyed about Nier -- the open, natural environments; the leisurely, laid back feel; the character interactions. There was almost complete focus on combat, just moving from one combat arena to the next. Not my style.
3) Environment felt very sterile and mechanical. I know it's part of the setup, but I wouldn't like a game full of that. Feels dreary.
4) Mechs. Never have liked mechs, for some reason.
I think I'm out. Too bad. I like this developer's weirdness.
1) Nice and fluid combat, appreciate the 60 fps
2) 2B's character model looks and moves great
Things I didn't like:
1) The whole demo focused on the one part of Nier that made me groan almost every time -- combat against those stupid red balls.
2) Real absence of everything I enjoyed about Nier -- the open, natural environments; the leisurely, laid back feel; the character interactions. There was almost complete focus on combat, just moving from one combat arena to the next. Not my style.
3) Environment felt very sterile and mechanical. I know it's part of the setup, but I wouldn't like a game full of that. Feels dreary.
4) Mechs. Never have liked mechs, for some reason.
I think I'm out. Too bad. I like this developer's weirdness.
Sumio Mondo
Member
On point 2. They do have RPG open world to explore and will be visiting all sorts of locations
maybe even some familiar ones, they said.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Me playing the demo:
I've read this whole thread, and I don't really have anything else to add except to join pretty much everyone else and say that that was a fantastic demo, as expected!
I've read this whole thread, and I don't really have anything else to add except to join pretty much everyone else and say that that was a fantastic demo, as expected!
It seems a bit of a step down in complexity and spectacle compared to Bayonetta and even Rising. The mechanics are fine but it needs much more enemy variety because, as it stands, 98% of the enemies are cannon fodder even on Hard with that "press to win" R2 dodge. The bullet hell parts don't add much to the equation either. It's very bare bones, very stripped down experience compared to Platinum's bests. The boss fight at the end was very disappoiting as well. Music is godly though and god bless the 60 FPS.
Yeah, how about you not call my brother dumb. Thanks. He said it didn't look that different (not that he couldn't recognize the ps4 version was improved) from the getgo. He recognized how massive the upgrade was once he saw them side by side. He hadn't played the old crash games since the ps1. And what I said is the exact definition of nostalgia goggles. He remembered the original looking better than it actually does.
backbreaker65
Banned
Never heard of this game, so new to everything it had to offer and found myself having fun. Great tutorial video and a good little fast pace game, really fluid. I might pick it up.
I dont understand the complaints abut the dub with B2. It gives its own feeling. The VA of 2B sounds like a model that has emotions but is just attempting to remind herself and 9S to not have emotions. Otherwise she would not recognize them. basically its just lip service to satisfy their own programming. I think it comes across well in both languages, although 2B in Japanese does sound more robotic, i don't think that was necessarily the intention of 2B. She emotes quite a bit when fighting the first buzzsaw enemy for example.
This isn't a spectacle action game or character action game. Its an action RPG that was developed as a Nier game with Platinum esque combat and better setpiece events.
This isn't a spectacle action game or character action game. Its an action RPG that was developed as a Nier game with Platinum esque combat and better setpiece events.
Labolas
Member
It's been known that it isn't a Character action game. It's an action RPG that caters more towards RPG crowd than it does Character Action fans. Personally though, I think it has more complexity than a standard ARPG.
Its like people who think that a action RPG that doesn't have shit combat must be a character action game. KH2 is not a character action game, Souls is not a character action game ect.
Its strange to think about. Does that mean ARPGs have to have shit Witcher tier combat to be considered ARPGS?
Even FF15, as simplistic as the combat system was, was still more fluid than that, but it was still firmly an RPG.
Its strange to think about. Does that mean ARPGs have to have shit Witcher tier combat to be considered ARPGS?
Even FF15, as simplistic as the combat system was, was still more fluid than that, but it was still firmly an RPG.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
its seems that every criticism of the combat is deflected with "um its a RPG actually its not supposed to be that good", but that's kinda all we have to go on in this demo.
Imp the Dimp
Member
I like the combat but I wish the pad vibrated upon punching. That's what makes the combat systems of FFXV, MGR, etc. feel so impactful.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Yeah, it's not a character action game, but how many RPGs let you do this?
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=kTKi_8JP6HY
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=kTKi_8JP6HY
I'm judging the demo for now and what the demo offers is a linear level that could be found in any character action game though: combat arenas connected by corridors and some light platforming here and there. There are no RPG elements to experiment with here, nothing that could add depth to the experience. Bear with me, but I'm playing a stripped down version of Rising with a worse boss, no parries, worse enemies and probably even simpler movesets. I can't really get excited about this. If these systems will be well implemented in an actual RPG context in the full game, I'll be there day one, no doubts about it. Considering the names behind it, I expected something a bit more meaty, that's all. I don't even want to sound to negative because what's there is good but it's not much.
Huge fan of the original, and enjoyed the demo as expected. The combat doesn't reach the levels of Bayonetta, but close enough! And the music is brilliant as expected.
That said, I do think they chose a poor location for the demo. Don't care much for sterile factory ruins, Junk Heap Factory is the place I like the least in the original, and I doubt it gave many newcomers a nice first impression. Some place green with more life would have been nicer to see, but I guess that would have been too hard to do without going too much into spoiler territory.
But yeah, looking forward to the game and have the BIg Black Box pre-ordered from the SE EU Store
That said, I do think they chose a poor location for the demo. Don't care much for sterile factory ruins, Junk Heap Factory is the place I like the least in the original, and I doubt it gave many newcomers a nice first impression. Some place green with more life would have been nicer to see, but I guess that would have been too hard to do without going too much into spoiler territory.
But yeah, looking forward to the game and have the BIg Black Box pre-ordered from the SE EU Store
Labolas
Member
I argue to say it's good but no where complex as Platinum's best. Not being a complex game doesn't necessarily mean it isn't any good. There are tools to make it more deep than a standard ARPG. Plus, it's fluid and responsive which is something that all games should be if it has this type of gameplay.
StrikeFirst117
Banned
Gotta say I loved the music so much for the demo, really reminded me of Ghost in the shell plus some of its ambient music.
The demo really sold me on the game, I never played the original Nier is it worth getting on PS3?
The demo really sold me on the game, I never played the original Nier is it worth getting on PS3?
Exactly my point
I liked the demo alot. The change in dimensions is clever but I can see myself getting tired of it after awhile and just want the 3d combat which is fun. Fluid ad hell and I love the parry and reaction system alot. Hoping full game has variety in weapons. Might be there close to launch.
What the fuck? I turned the demo on to waste a few minutes before dinner figuring it would be entirely mediocre but loved it. The style is terrific, the changing angles are a great way to keep fights fresh, everything felt smooth and fast, etc. This demo put the full game on my calendar. Looking forward to playing it when it comes out.
Pinko Marx
Banned
You also have a previous game with which to base and temper your expectations upon. The game changes so much , it'd be impossible to have a complex character action combat system here. You got a glimpse of it even within the demo.
The combat is great, but when compared to Platinum other offerings it falls short (as 99.9% of other games). People are comparing to Bayonetta/Rising/DMC and Nier Automata is very, very different from all of those.
I want to believe that it will have some more complexity especially because there's a mode where you cannot be hit. From the demo, we couldn't see the RPG aspect of it which can drastically change how we approach combat.
I doubt it will get to Bayonetta levels of complexity, but the game does not aim to do that. The first Nier used elements from tons of different genres, so I expect Automata to do the same even if the combat suffers a little from it. From the demo we had the 2D perspective battle and the isomeric camera, both which aren't favorable to the combat.
Mr. Smiley
Member
The demo really could have used more RPG-ness to better represent the game and where it shines alongside the base combat, rather than putting it front and center.
Byronic Hero
Member
I just finished the demo and boy is 2017 going to be an expensive year for me. I loved everything from the simple yet fun and stylish combat that's easy to learn yet hides subtle options to mess around with (Love ya Platinum), to its characters.
I didn't know anything about 2B's personality prior to playing the demo but I'm glad she's a bit cold. I loved Kaine and Zero's personalities too so it'll be neat to see if she lets loose like they do. 9S was different than I was expecting too, but I like him in the role similar to Emil.
Reading through this thread, there's so much neat stuff I missed my first time through. 2B punishes the robot for taking a peek up her dress? Amazing. This went from a soft "meh" to being one of my most anticipated games of next year. Good job Platinum, hopefully this one sells well.
Edit: Also the music is superb, I had to put my headphones in as soon as the battle music kicked in, Okabe continuing to do God's work.
I didn't know anything about 2B's personality prior to playing the demo but I'm glad she's a bit cold. I loved Kaine and Zero's personalities too so it'll be neat to see if she lets loose like they do. 9S was different than I was expecting too, but I like him in the role similar to Emil.
Reading through this thread, there's so much neat stuff I missed my first time through. 2B punishes the robot for taking a peek up her dress? Amazing. This went from a soft "meh" to being one of my most anticipated games of next year. Good job Platinum, hopefully this one sells well.
Edit: Also the music is superb, I had to put my headphones in as soon as the battle music kicked in, Okabe continuing to do God's work.
Humdinger
Gold Member
I'm not crossing it off the list entirely, but I'm definitely taking a couple of steps back. I didn't like the impression the demo gave me. But I'll keep an eye on reviews, I'll watch some game videos. It's not a day one purchase for me, but I'm still curious. One thing I really appreciated about Nier was how much variety there was, how they kept mixing the gameplay up. So there's some hope.