They still can massively redesign the gamepad to make it more cost efficient. Though I doubt it if Nintendo have the engineering expertise.
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Nintendo lowers forecast from ¥55B profit to ¥25B loss [3DS 18M->13.5; WiiU 9M->2.8M]
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They still can massively redesign the gamepad to make it more cost efficient. Though I doubt it if Nintendo have the engineering expertise.
michaeltraps
Member
What other options does Nintendo really have at this point? They're stuck in a position where they have to ride out the Wii U (the console is barely a year old and has games in development for it) and continue to churn out first party titles much like their GameCube era. I'm not sure dropping support for the Wii U would be viable for them at this point, and would leave them with no HD home console this generation, not to mention the consumer distrust that would result with any future console release.
Nintendo needs to make sure that their next console is both innovative and something that the consumer wants. I know it's been discussed in the past, but I really think they'd hit it big with a console/handheld hybrid. Can you imagine all of Nintendo's efforts (both software and hardware support wise) focused on a singular system with a heavy handheld focus?
Nintendo needs to make sure that their next console is both innovative and something that the consumer wants. I know it's been discussed in the past, but I really think they'd hit it big with a console/handheld hybrid. Can you imagine all of Nintendo's efforts (both software and hardware support wise) focused on a singular system with a heavy handheld focus?
Velcro Fly
Member
The release of the 3DS XL drove more sales than MH4 and Pokemon. It isn't always about the games when you release a new and better hardware design.
To put this into perspective, Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Nintendo, Take-Two, Microsoft, and Sony are in essence THE major game studios much like Sony, Warner Bros, Disney, Universal, Fox, and Paramount are the major film studios. Given what has been described here about these particular companies, it is a very a bad thing for anyone who likes traditional gaming or even gaming with buttons for these seven companies to be in the positions they currently are. What we could be seeing is a decline for traditional gaming... The big traditional publishers have bloated budgets, are facing the rise of successful independents, and are suffering under the success of new models for entertainment like F2P. That is exactly what happened during the late 1940s to late 1960s to film, which had the major studios of the time struggling with bloated budgets while independents and television ate up their market for entertainment. Thankfully, gaming will survive as films had survived, though perhaps not as you know it.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
The gamepad adds $100 to the console price. While it may be neat and novel, the majority of gamers (people who buy gaming consoles) don't want it, they would rather have a standard gaming controller like the DS or Xbox pad. No one wants to pay an extra $100 for a gimmick they don't really want.
The Wii-U- is simply too expensive for what it is, and the gamepad is a huge part of the reason. Drop it, then price drop the Wii-U, and see sales increase. It's that simple.
Yeah, and the GamePad is not attractive in the eyes of the masses. They already have their smartphones and tablets. It's that simple. Wii U is a "bad" product. Nothing will change that.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
The gamepad alone is what makes the console so damn expensive and continues to be why they lose money on every unit. It is the opposite of what made the Wii successful, and kept all of their previous consoles profitable, no matter how little they sold. It is the Gamepad people.
Their forecast was ludicrous but still, wow. WOW. And that forecast probably includes some units sold in Q4, where the console will probably flatline yet again and they won't be able to reach a forecast reduced by OVER SIXTY SIX %. It's insane and after the recent articles about development of GameCube I'm convinced fire Iwata, stat is a proper course.
I have nothing against the man himself, I like listening to him, he does great interviews and did some solid job as a developer, but he is doing a terrible job as a CEO. The company needs a major shake-up. At this point there is probably nothing that could make Wii U successful, but they have to ride it out and prepare new strategy for their next major HW. What's worse, this one will be even harder for them.
Hubris, hubris everywhere.
I have nothing against the man himself, I like listening to him, he does great interviews and did some solid job as a developer, but he is doing a terrible job as a CEO. The company needs a major shake-up. At this point there is probably nothing that could make Wii U successful, but they have to ride it out and prepare new strategy for their next major HW. What's worse, this one will be even harder for them.
Hubris, hubris everywhere.
outunderthestars
Banned
There is only so much business to be had by selling new hardware revisions to your existing customers though.
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Nintendo should come out with another handheld on schedule and continue to dominate that arena (although the days of gba/ds sales are long gone).
Then... they should scrap the WiiU and home console hardware altogether. Just go 3rd party. They can make insane bank with quality entries of their big franchises on Mobile, PC, XB1/360, and PS4/3. Forget trying to be the #1 console maker. Just focus on being the #1 game maker and having the #1 dedicated portable system.
The time to shift gears is right now.
Then... they should scrap the WiiU and home console hardware altogether. Just go 3rd party. They can make insane bank with quality entries of their big franchises on Mobile, PC, XB1/360, and PS4/3. Forget trying to be the #1 console maker. Just focus on being the #1 game maker and having the #1 dedicated portable system.
The time to shift gears is right now.
Azure Dream
Member
They could always switch it over to dental equipment.
outunderthestars
Banned
That seems like the best course of action. I'd also like to see them offer a $100 virtual console box that plays games from their back catalog.
gamergirly
Member
Well there goes Mario Kart being released in March. Software delays are killing the Wii U
I agree with this.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Iwata has to go I think now. He did a great job of recovering the company and raising the profile after GameCube and during Wii/DS. But Wii U was a horrible and obvious miscalculation from the start.
3DS showed a nice recovery, though. I just think Wii U is beyond repair. Even with deep price cuts.
No need for 3rd party development. They needed to make a home system in line with the others so they could get 3rd party support. Also, they handled online horribly too. There are ways of protecting younger players while having a competitive and competent service.
3DS showed a nice recovery, though. I just think Wii U is beyond repair. Even with deep price cuts.
No need for 3rd party development. They needed to make a home system in line with the others so they could get 3rd party support. Also, they handled online horribly too. There are ways of protecting younger players while having a competitive and competent service.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I don't get why these topics always devolve to "drop gamepad, cut price." Price cuts don't create interest, they encourage people on the fence to buy it. Even at $200 the WiiU is still a worse value to the average consumer than a PS3/360. Who are they targeting? Nintendo fans? The people that are going to buy it regardless as soon as their system selling game of choice comes out? Cutting the gamepad isn't worth it.
So the Wii U being $300 with Gamepad doesn't work but Xbone being $500 with Kinect does? I'm just really against the idea that the Gamepad or lack thereof would have change the fortunes of the the Wii U. Nintendo screwed the pooch on marketing, branding and there horrible relationship with third parties. I would even throw their bad relationship with Amazon in the mix. The Gamepad is a non-factor compared all the other things they did wrong.
PCs with steamos or windows. There is still a core gamer market and there will be products made for them. If it isn't on consoles or handhelds, it will be elsewhere. In fact, I'd say the problems with much of the aaa industry are because they have been chasing non-core gamer types with streamlined play and cutscene driven games.
Okay, read the OP. What stands out to me, besides the catastrophe, was the excuse Nintendo gave for their poor performance. I didn't see (and correct me if I'm wrong) the usual excuses about delayed software. What I saw instead was, this was the plan. Actually, stratch that - Nintendo released the software they wanted to release, which they thought would be sufficient to reach their goals, except they thought they would reach those goals without even a price cut. And even with a price cut, their plan completely, catastrophically, predictably failed.
Iwata has got to go. Put him in a corner office where he can make Indie Nintendo games with Shiggy.
Iwata has got to go. Put him in a corner office where he can make Indie Nintendo games with Shiggy.
PadWarrior
Member
Mario Kart 8 and Smash need to come out like yesterday.
If the Xbone was cheaper I think I would have sold more.
Interfectum
Member
It's all connected man. The Gamepad suffers from Nintendo's lack of focus for the system. Developers have to design a game that takes into account someone using a Gamepad+TV, a Gamepad Remote Play, a Wiimote or a Wii Pro controller. This relegates the Wii U's biggest differentiator to a map screen / item screen / horn. This will obviously effect marketing because people are waiting for a reason to care about the gamepad but Nintendo never gave it to them.
This was posted on Time.com this morning. Shoot me if it's old...
Nintendo Chief: We Failed
Doesn't sound good for Nintendo...
Nintendo Chief: We Failed
Doesn't sound good for Nintendo...
cpp_is_king
Member
LTTP with the reaction gif, but here ya go anyway
MarkMclovin
Member
It's that simple guys, pack it up!
By the way, how am I supposed to play ZombiU, W101, Rayman etc without the game pad?
That would make things worse. They need to work on expansion, and growing their 3rd party relations. And remember companies like money, begin making offers they cant refuse since most 3rd parties are one bomb from failure and shutdown.
They could still sell it as a peripheral.
But I still agree with you. The gamepad was a mistake but one that Nintendo have to live with.
tehrik-e-insaaf
Member
Look regardless of the Wii U's tactical errors - here is the reality - the audience is gone. Their primary profit center - the true source of the company's tremendous cash pile - handhelds - are going extinct, and Nintendo is bleeding money trying to keep it alive. That's right - the 3DS - not the Wii U.
The only territory where Nintendo is making a profit on 3DS hardware is Japan right now - and they are most likely going to introduce the 2DS there in February to sustain sales momentum and hit EOY targets, which is going to eat into their weighted margins in that region.
Instead of people understanding this, they are playing make-believe and imagining useless permutations of better online or account systems or more power or evil Iwata and trying desperately to convince themselves that if Nintendo did what THEY wanted, it would restore the company to profitability.
The traditional Nintendo audience - the ones that bought 3 DS'es and 3 copies of NSMB is gone - they don't want to own a console and neither do they want to own a handheld - they want to own an iPad or they want to play Puzzles and Dragons or Angry Birds on their smartphone. They don't want to pay $50 dollars for Mario anymore when they are conditioned and used to paying $1 for a game.
Replacing the CEO would be about killing traditional packaged software and going to where that audience is - not doubling-down on expensive HD games on the PS4/XBO with low gross margins or releasing games for PS3 (terrible idea). It would be utterly insane for Nintendo to bet that their primary audience - children - and their parents would buy a $400/500 dollar console to play HD Mario when that entire audience is already using tablets in the West and most tablets will be capable of outputting HD games in under 12 months.
That said, Nintendo wouldn't do well in the traditional mobile space. They provide a unique experience and hardware is an inherent part of that. That is why as I've said before - the next step for Nintendo is to release a proprietary tablet, with Streetpass and physical controls, with Miiverse, NicoNico (which they recently invested into), Nintendo's eBooks marketplace (which was the subject of a lot of press last year), Nintendo animation (Pikmin anime, Pokemon TV shows), a variety of internally-developed F2P games, and the ability to buy completely traditional games as well, sold for $200 dollars (generating about $80 of profit per device). The tablet market in Japan is still wide open and Apple by no means is dominant yet. At half the price of an iPad Mini Retina, such a device has the potential to outsell the DS and they will never have third party issues ever again as the development tools would be standard Android or iOS development tools.They could do a great job curating content and really ensure that it is a great gaming experience.
That is a device that parents would buy their children. It would have good parental controls, a child-safe social network through Miiverse, and finally, it could be subsidized with a data plan in markets like Japan (in the US subsidies are going extinct and Apple is feeling the pain).
Nintendo could easily erect it as a third pillar, then release a follow-up dedicated handheld device based on the Wii U Game Pad to replace both the 3DS and the Wii U. They'd effectively capture their traditional audience again with a child-friendly tablet that contains lots of F2P games while possibly turning a profit on their ever-shrinking enthusiast gaming audience with a Wii U Game Pad-only hardware.
Iwata has hinted in the past that Nintendo is working on a tablet/smartphone product - it was in the Q&A some time ago - so it's only a matter of time before it gets released.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Revising forecasts
This revision should have definitely occurred last quarter. Most analysis observed at the time that failing to revise the forecast was asinine as it was obvious they wouldn't hit their targets. Even noting that the holiday quarter is by far the biggest sales driver, when you're half-way through the year and less than 10% of the way towards your expected forecast and nothing that would materially change the forecast during the holiday quarter, it's time to revise. In the last quarter, Nintendo had Pikmin 3 and TW101's second quarters and Super Mario 3d World. There was no reason to assume based on past sales that 3d World would have sold materially better than NSMBU. Donkey Kong Country was delayed to cover gaps in the release calendar, which is sort of shocking in and of itself. So either way, every single person here would have told you the 9 million wasn't going to happen. I had expected a revision to 4-4.5 million prior to now--was it just a case of Nintendo preferring to do one enormous guidance revision rather than two smaller ones?
Iwata
It's not clear to me that Iwata stepping down would be productive. Who would you replace him with within Japan? It's true Nintendo could easily poach a GREE executive, but I think the single biggest structural problem Nintendo faces is a misunderstanding of the global market, and while pivoting towards (not entirely!) Japanese mobile concerns might help make investors feel better, I don't think it's a long-term solution to Nintendo's woes.
Home market
- Short term Wii U: Wii U is not going to reach any kind of lofty goals. As a result, it makes sense to concede this instead of stringing people along by saying "We expect <our next title> to help significantly drive hardware". I don't think there's a need to kill the system and I don't think any new system being launched would work any better. I also don't think dropping the GamePad would really benefit them. I don't think a price drop would materially change demand at this point. So I think set modest forecasts, work on software that's going to sell big, work on global instead of Japanese-focused software, use outsourcing to plug holes in the release calendar. In terms of third parties, it's a write-off at this point. I'd focus on securing Wii U's niche for stuff like Skylanders, LEGO games, dancing and fitness games. It's not a good sign to me that Just Dance is still mostly on Wii, and that Xbox 360 and Xbox One appear to have inherited the rest of the audience rather than Wii U. If the war chest is big enough to start working to secure
- Medium term Wii U: Try to pump internal money into aggressive cost-reduction plans on Wii U. I recognize Nintendo's in a worse position to cost-reduce than Sony or Microsoft because they have no internal production at all, relatively little engineering capacity, and lower scale with fabrication plants. But I still think they could probably reduce cost quickly if they made it priority 1. It's better to be in a situation where you're selling 5 million units of hardware a year but making a profit on each. This also takes some pressure off software performance.
- Long term Home Market: Consider not replacing the console. Sunset it within 5 years of release or so (end of 2017). Look to low cost, globally focused solutions for future hardware. Look into how network services are driving profit for a lot of companies. Look at the needs of individual markets beyond Japan. Don't make anything a hardware design priority that won't lead to global success--"it fits well in Japanese living rooms" is absolutely not something that matters at all. If hardware doesn't make sense, don't do hardware. It's healthier to have a company that shrinks but is more sustainable than preserving the size of the company at all costs.
Portable Market
- Short term 3DS: Given that most of the 3DS' major software has been depleted, much of it at a significant decline from DS highs (although not all! Yay Fire Emblem!), I think the short term plan means recognizing that 2012 and 2013 were high years and there's no immediate strategy to replicate them through software. Getting software costs down so that there's a broad reason for buy-in is probably a good move. $20 and $10 software would really help the hardware pick up, I think. Make software as easy to buy as possible.
- Medium term 3DS: Start moving internal teams into smaller, more agile configurations making quickly iterated games. This pays dividends in two ways. First, if you ever do need the escape hatch for Mobile, your teams are more ready. Second, you can lower effective software pricepoints to be able to compete with and head off Mobile. You should also get used to the mobile style of releasing a product and constantly updating it in order to keep attention on it.
- Long term Portables: Future hardware will probably need to be always-connected (both for software benefits and for hardware usage benefits). If this means you need to make a phone, then you need to learn how to make a phone and how to partner with various countries telecom firms. If this means it's not a phone but something more like a tablet, then your OS and software situation will be way behind and you should have a plan for catching up that relies on actually understanding competitors. If this means getting out of hardware, your company will get massively smaller and you should be prepared for that.
Overall company
- Short term overall company: Transfer as much power as possible out of Japan to make the company more global. More autonomy for regional divisions. Look to Sony and Sega as model companies that are still very Japanese but that have recognize that this market sector might benefit from control and power being vested outside Japan. Start looking at what competitors are doing, because when you're an iconoclast and successful everyone loves it, but when you're an iconoclast and failing and confused as to why, everyone else has an answer for you. What are other companies doing that you're not? What assumptions have you internalized?
- Medium term overall company: Minimize burn rate so that the loss of the hardware business would not cause as much of an immediate system shock or massive layoffs. Lower software prices to reflect structural erosion in value of software.
I think investors want to see mobile, rightly or wrongly. I think it would be an error if Nintendo became a MORE Japanese company by eventually giving in to investor demands by focusing on GREE type situations. I think it'd be more sustainable to operate on a more global basis. I think if they do choose to participate in Mobile, it shouldn't be in the extremely limited Japanese context. But I think being able to see with a more global horizon requires a more global company. So to me, Nintendo's #1 challenge going forward is becoming a more global company.
This revision should have definitely occurred last quarter. Most analysis observed at the time that failing to revise the forecast was asinine as it was obvious they wouldn't hit their targets. Even noting that the holiday quarter is by far the biggest sales driver, when you're half-way through the year and less than 10% of the way towards your expected forecast and nothing that would materially change the forecast during the holiday quarter, it's time to revise. In the last quarter, Nintendo had Pikmin 3 and TW101's second quarters and Super Mario 3d World. There was no reason to assume based on past sales that 3d World would have sold materially better than NSMBU. Donkey Kong Country was delayed to cover gaps in the release calendar, which is sort of shocking in and of itself. So either way, every single person here would have told you the 9 million wasn't going to happen. I had expected a revision to 4-4.5 million prior to now--was it just a case of Nintendo preferring to do one enormous guidance revision rather than two smaller ones?
Iwata
It's not clear to me that Iwata stepping down would be productive. Who would you replace him with within Japan? It's true Nintendo could easily poach a GREE executive, but I think the single biggest structural problem Nintendo faces is a misunderstanding of the global market, and while pivoting towards (not entirely!) Japanese mobile concerns might help make investors feel better, I don't think it's a long-term solution to Nintendo's woes.
Home market
- Short term Wii U: Wii U is not going to reach any kind of lofty goals. As a result, it makes sense to concede this instead of stringing people along by saying "We expect <our next title> to help significantly drive hardware". I don't think there's a need to kill the system and I don't think any new system being launched would work any better. I also don't think dropping the GamePad would really benefit them. I don't think a price drop would materially change demand at this point. So I think set modest forecasts, work on software that's going to sell big, work on global instead of Japanese-focused software, use outsourcing to plug holes in the release calendar. In terms of third parties, it's a write-off at this point. I'd focus on securing Wii U's niche for stuff like Skylanders, LEGO games, dancing and fitness games. It's not a good sign to me that Just Dance is still mostly on Wii, and that Xbox 360 and Xbox One appear to have inherited the rest of the audience rather than Wii U. If the war chest is big enough to start working to secure
- Medium term Wii U: Try to pump internal money into aggressive cost-reduction plans on Wii U. I recognize Nintendo's in a worse position to cost-reduce than Sony or Microsoft because they have no internal production at all, relatively little engineering capacity, and lower scale with fabrication plants. But I still think they could probably reduce cost quickly if they made it priority 1. It's better to be in a situation where you're selling 5 million units of hardware a year but making a profit on each. This also takes some pressure off software performance.
- Long term Home Market: Consider not replacing the console. Sunset it within 5 years of release or so (end of 2017). Look to low cost, globally focused solutions for future hardware. Look into how network services are driving profit for a lot of companies. Look at the needs of individual markets beyond Japan. Don't make anything a hardware design priority that won't lead to global success--"it fits well in Japanese living rooms" is absolutely not something that matters at all. If hardware doesn't make sense, don't do hardware. It's healthier to have a company that shrinks but is more sustainable than preserving the size of the company at all costs.
Portable Market
- Short term 3DS: Given that most of the 3DS' major software has been depleted, much of it at a significant decline from DS highs (although not all! Yay Fire Emblem!), I think the short term plan means recognizing that 2012 and 2013 were high years and there's no immediate strategy to replicate them through software. Getting software costs down so that there's a broad reason for buy-in is probably a good move. $20 and $10 software would really help the hardware pick up, I think. Make software as easy to buy as possible.
- Medium term 3DS: Start moving internal teams into smaller, more agile configurations making quickly iterated games. This pays dividends in two ways. First, if you ever do need the escape hatch for Mobile, your teams are more ready. Second, you can lower effective software pricepoints to be able to compete with and head off Mobile. You should also get used to the mobile style of releasing a product and constantly updating it in order to keep attention on it.
- Long term Portables: Future hardware will probably need to be always-connected (both for software benefits and for hardware usage benefits). If this means you need to make a phone, then you need to learn how to make a phone and how to partner with various countries telecom firms. If this means it's not a phone but something more like a tablet, then your OS and software situation will be way behind and you should have a plan for catching up that relies on actually understanding competitors. If this means getting out of hardware, your company will get massively smaller and you should be prepared for that.
Overall company
- Short term overall company: Transfer as much power as possible out of Japan to make the company more global. More autonomy for regional divisions. Look to Sony and Sega as model companies that are still very Japanese but that have recognize that this market sector might benefit from control and power being vested outside Japan. Start looking at what competitors are doing, because when you're an iconoclast and successful everyone loves it, but when you're an iconoclast and failing and confused as to why, everyone else has an answer for you. What are other companies doing that you're not? What assumptions have you internalized?
- Medium term overall company: Minimize burn rate so that the loss of the hardware business would not cause as much of an immediate system shock or massive layoffs. Lower software prices to reflect structural erosion in value of software.
I think investors want to see mobile, rightly or wrongly. I think it would be an error if Nintendo became a MORE Japanese company by eventually giving in to investor demands by focusing on GREE type situations. I think it'd be more sustainable to operate on a more global basis. I think if they do choose to participate in Mobile, it shouldn't be in the extremely limited Japanese context. But I think being able to see with a more global horizon requires a more global company. So to me, Nintendo's #1 challenge going forward is becoming a more global company.
KiTA
Member
A 3DS emulator for the WiiU. You go home, put your 3DS into sleep mode, your WiiU pipes up and asks you if you want to beam it to the TV and keep playing. Bam. Pokemon on a 32" TV. It wouldn't save things, but it would help.
sixteen-bit
Member
huge reduction in wiiu
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Consider all the things a Xbone can do compared to Wii U. In the eyes of the public Wii U is basically a last gen console with an humongous cheap looking tablet like controller.
Xbone is a next-gen system on which they can play to the all the big IP installments with media center capabilities.
And still the price is hurting them with a PS4 avaliable for 100$ less, which is hurting Wii U too at the same time.
outunderthestars
Banned
Ayes, the difference is that people can buy the xb1 and know that they will be able to play almost all of the new third party games that come out. Nobody buys the Wii U for any other reason than the 2-3 first party games that they want to play. The Wii U was simply too expensive to succeed as gamer's secondary system. Casual gamers/families have moved to tablets and smart phones for their entertainment options and again, have no interest in spending $300 to play 2-3 first party games a year.
The gamepad is an alabtros, forcing Nintendo to sell their system at an absurdly high price, while providing little to no benefit to consumers. It is a failure, a complete and total failure.
Deus Ex Machina
Member
Davey Cakes
Member
The 3DS is a gamer's dream handheld, right? It's flawed in certain ways but it has a ton of great games to back itself up.
This might be an implication for the industry as a whole.
That's right, GAF, a purely game-focused system might sell decently to a point, but doesn't necessarily sustain itself well.
I wonder how people feel about that.
This might be an implication for the industry as a whole.
That's right, GAF, a purely game-focused system might sell decently to a point, but doesn't necessarily sustain itself well.
I wonder how people feel about that.
It's such a cool aspect of the system though. ;_;
How about reducing the price of the gamepad itself? Why is it have to be so damned expensive anyway.
outunderthestars
Banned
Zombi U i'll give you. W101 already has pro controller support. what kind of touch controls does Rayman, is it an integrated part of the gameplay?
I think that the attitude are unwilling to let Iwata go, simply because he headed the success of the Wii. The company's facing a difficult time right now, but I don't believe that Nintendo is confident to replace Iwata. They obviously need to have candidates that have a clear vision where they want to take the company. If there are no contenders, then Iwata's going to stay put.
Still, the pressure's amping up, and Iwata must accept the fact that the vision that he helped create and made the company so successful, doesn't work anymore. He needs to come up with something new and exciting, and give the consumers and investors alike, reasons to care for the company. The lack of activity from Nintendo's part, if it's third party relations, consumer relationships, IP's in development all needs to be adressed and signaled clearly to the people outside the company.
Basically, they need to stop treading water and do something major.
Still, the pressure's amping up, and Iwata must accept the fact that the vision that he helped create and made the company so successful, doesn't work anymore. He needs to come up with something new and exciting, and give the consumers and investors alike, reasons to care for the company. The lack of activity from Nintendo's part, if it's third party relations, consumer relationships, IP's in development all needs to be adressed and signaled clearly to the people outside the company.
Basically, they need to stop treading water and do something major.
You can.
The question is, how can someone play those games without a WiiU?
No you cant. The gamepad is used in single player.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Counterpoint: classic GTA, FF, and DQ are available on mobile.
Exactly - I don't think Nintendo is in the position to worry about the controller compatibility of a game from 2012 nobody bought when considering their Wii U salvaging strategy.
But yeah, the only games really needing the Pad are ZombiU, Game & Wario, and Nintendo Land - and I think Lego City too though correct me if I'm wrong.
Interesting. Could you share a link to that?