sir_bumble_bee
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Yeah region lock will most definitely be a thing of the past. Good riddance, now I'm not forced to buy a new Wii U/3DS whenever NoA doesn't feel like localizing shit
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Nintendo Switch Dev Kit Stats Leaked? Cortex A57, 4GB RAM, 32GB Storage, Multi-Touch.
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Shogmaster
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Shield TV is HUGE compared to Switch. And Shield TV also don't have a battery heating shit up and taking space on top of everything.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...relation_to_mantlevulkan_clearing_up/cvbjxar/ I honestly didn't know that there was debate on this. I never meant Mantle IS DX12, but Microsoft certainly duplicated some of the features pretty exactly.
And has no screen
Unless you're implying that a brand new 3D Mario is nothing huge, well...
Relaxed Muscle
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I always believed that Nintendo, aims always to their own needs rather that the needs of the industry. Almost all of their games dosn't seem CPU intense. So they are fine with underwhelming CPU's.
No but it does have a HDD.
The screen isn't powered when docked. Shield tablets already have that functionality.
Skittzo0413
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We also have Retro's unannounced game, and potential hints for a MonilithSoft reveal. I think he's being cynical due to Nintendo's recent output (which is honestly not that unwarranted).
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I think a more elegant solution, would have been two systems. A system with long battery life, small, that automatically downloads game progress while your on the road would have been awesome. Not everyone wants a home console, and not everyone wants a portable. Now you get a system that has too many compromises for both fan bases.
Gotdatmoney
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The ideas that was being floated around the design process was going to be 16nm which would significantly reduce the power consunsumption. I dont get how expecting the hardware to be in line with the dev kit (~500Gflops) was unrealistic.
What has transpired in the last few weeks isliterally beyond worst case scenario. I do not think people had pie in the sky dreams frankly.
You can also scale things back for lower CPU performance as long as the difference isn't huge. With CPU performance being the major weak point of current gen consoles its not something I'd worry about even with 1Ghz A57 cores.
Though I'm still not really buying the idea that the system is just a down clocked X1 SoC. I do agree they'll customise the CPU and it'll be more than just 4x 1Ghz A57, but I also believe the GPU will be heavily customised as well. Nintendo GPU's always are.
GhostTrick
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For it to be huge, they'll have to get a great reveal. If it's basically 3D World with bigger levels.. welp. And considering how big Nintendo seems to go with the ports, I'm affraid we aint seeing lot of big games.
They sure did
.. Async is the future, but the two big GPU players took different architectural paths in embracing it.Skittzo0413
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Breath of the Wild seems far more physics and systems driven than most other AAA games out there, and considering it does this in an open world I'd say it must be working the Wii U CPU incredibly hard. You may be right that past games typically aren't CPU heavy but BotW appears to be an exemption.
Yeah I think this is true, but I'm trying to keep my expectations in check now. This week has taught me that even reasonable expectations can be way too much haha
Well, I was only talking about visuals. You may not like Super Mario 3D World but it was a showcase of what the Wii U could output, at least for the first years.
Nintendo making the Switch developer friendly as possible kinda deviates from that pattern though.
Shogmaster
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Only the more expensive version does. And even with it, the space difference is huge, and the fan in the Shield TV is much bigger than what is in the Switch.
GhostTrick
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Eeeeh... To be fair, it looks like a fair upgrade over Galaxy, but nothing more. The game was really simplistic and the artstyle helped a bit to hide how far behind it was.
"I don't like this thing I never tried and know very little details about, but it isn't catered exactly to my tastes, therefore it is dumb."
Skittzo0413
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I loved SM3DW, especially the visuals. I thought he was talking about, like, the past 2 years of output. It's been pretty uninspired.
Then again they've likely (hopefully) been switching (heh) a lot of the games supposed to release in the past two years to Switch development, so that's something to hope for.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Shield TV houses a hdd inside. The part that is actually heat-generating is quite compact (hint: area below the fan [ed] sorry, the spreader).
I have a bunch of 50 screenshots of the game and I'm ready to use them.
I played it recently, we're far away from Galaxy in almost every point. It may be simplification but it used a lot of effects and the lightning was really nice.
Wasn't there talk around here about how the next Mario was started on Wii U? It didn't seem visually very different anyway. Though with that artstyle I don't really see a Mario looking vastly different even on a ps4.
And for third parties even if they have something visually impressive it won't release before a long while.
It's really not big at all and that hard drive space is huge. It wasn't throttled because of it's size, it was throttled because of battery performance on the handheld and needing to maintain a correct ratio for 720p and 1080p gaming.
GhostTrick
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Great, I played the game. So I know where I'm stepping into. As I said, sure the game features better textures but it remains a simple looking game. It was nice to look at it but that's all. It was in no way a showcase or a full generation leap. Lighting was okay, there was one or two neat effects and that's all. MK8 actually did a better job with lighting and is one of the rare Wii U games to look like a new gen transition in term of graphics.
Even downclocked the CPU is more balanced than Wii U was. Or PS4, PS4 Pro and Xbox One for that matter, even more underwhelming CPUs seem to be industry standard these days.
Yep, IIRC it was a tweet from a French journalist. Hardly surprising, SM3DW released in 2013, there was probable nothing substantial about the NX at that time.
Well, I just disagree. Mario Kart 8 may have better lightning/textures but it also had strictly zero AA, unlike SM3DW which had a small edge smoother. Models weren't as detailed too.
This has always been the popular thing to say that Mario 3D World was underwhelming visually, or even "like the 3ds versin" when the game is actually, indeed, amazing technically. It makes everything looks lively and not made of polygons. That's not easy to do.
There are other ways to get the same level of performance of an X1 without the high clock speeds, aka high power draw, which is the main argument that's been laid on the table for a while now.
It's better to think of it as 216GFLOPs (192GFLOPs vec4 + 24GFLOPs scalar op), where the latter is for control flow purposes rather than direct shader work.
Not sure it's fair to count the scalar unit, which is probably more for branching/control flow.
Shogmaster
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GhostTrick
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It's pretty easy to see how a generational leap in 3D Mario title would look. Just see 3D World's artworks.
Nah. There isn't a single aspect where they're even remotely comparable.
But reading the post you were answering to, i thought this silly revisionism and downplay of what 3DW did in terms of using modern rendering techniques whilst maintaining 60fps all the time was a thing of the past. Guess i was wrong
GhostTrick
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IQ has nothing to do with that. As for models, yes they were lower poly, the game actually had to push more. But the way it looked ? Definitely better. As for 3D World... come on, that was barely an FXAA equivalent. Nintendo not caring about IQ isn't new.
The simple artstyle helps to hide all its shortcomings
Here's how 3D Land looks when running at higher internal res:
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Pay close attention - the only thing that gets cooled by that fan is the TX1 SoC under that heatspreader, connected via the heatpipe. Now, only if the Switch had vents that connected to a docking station, that could host a fan trice as big as the one in the TV...Look at all that space inside, even with that HDD. And that fan is MUCH bigger than the one that Switch would have inside.
But isn't the more expensive version still the same size? Shield TV is around twice the size of Switch. Comparing internal space is nothing but guess work though.
Look at all that space inside, even with that HDD. And that fan is MUCH bigger than the one that Switch would have inside.
I kind of want a shield tv now. Aren't they coming out with a new version next year?
That thing is pretty impressive in terms of what they get in that small unit. Would like to see what improvements they've concocted
Shogmaster
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New version should be announced at CES January 5ish, pictures of the new version already leaked
Shogmaster
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One is a set top box and one is a portable. Only ridiculously unreasonable folks would demand parity.
Skittzo0413
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Do you want me to rant about the reflective texture on the bullet bill again like I did in that Digital Foundry thread?
In all seriousness, it looked a bit better than 3DW to me but yeah, nothing was all that noticeable with the typical Mario art style. Either way, regardless of the visuals this will be a very big new game announced in January.
Retro's game might be a visual showpiece, or potentially a new Wave Race- since that's typically been Nintendo's go to franchise for showing off new tech. I'm sure we'll see something that looks really impressive.
th3sicknness
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Are we thinking at CES that the internals of the new shield TV might help us with what the Switch might be?
This is very likely NVIDIA's 2017 refresh of the SHIELD Android TV, which may come in two sizes
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/19/this-is-very-probably-nvidias-2017-refresh-of-the-shield-android-tv-which-may-come-in-two-sizes/
This is very likely NVIDIA's 2017 refresh of the SHIELD Android TV, which may come in two sizes
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/19/this-is-very-probably-nvidias-2017-refresh-of-the-shield-android-tv-which-may-come-in-two-sizes/
To be fair, we've heard that the levels are more "open". If the stages are way bigger and even a bit more detailed than 3DW's, then that's already a good upgrade and something that couldn't have been done on Wii U (even without considering that it's probably going to be 1080p on the TV this time). Also might have been that particular shot, but lighting in the mexican village looked even better than 3DW's GI.
Well, of course. We'll draw proper conclusions in a few weeks.I would argue that six seconds of off-screen footage is not really a good way to mesure game graphics
The Switch is actually truly a hybrid device as the GPU performance is more than two times higher in console mode then in portable mode. The console when docked probably won't match a Shield TV in raw performance, mostly when comparing the CPUs, but it'll surely be close.
Shogmaster
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LOL it's one size. The PR people did a stupid thoughtless Photoshop layout.
Skittzo0413
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Oh I definitely agree that it looks a good deal more impressive. A dynamic camera already means that the world has to be much more detailed, compared to the mostly static camera of 3DW.
I just don't think this game has the type of art style which is the best to showcase obvious advancements in hardware. Something like Wave Race or Metroid Prime would be much better ways to really show off the new hardware.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
'One is a set-top box, and one is a portable that docks into a housing the size of a set-top box. Only nintendo diehards would expect parity.'
Is that what you meant to type, per chance?
Shogmaster
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Nobody demanded parity in the portable mode.
Edit: and you're acting like there isn't already a portable housing a Tegra X1 running without a fan at higher clocks than Switch docked:
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Google+Pixel+C+Teardown/62277
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