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NPD Sales Results for January 2009
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oldergamer said:
Excellent point, but I think Nintendo can bridge people to a newer, more powerful Wii 2 quite naturally with an HD system and more sophisticated services.
How did Pepsi make inroads against Coke, which was "the real thing"? By targeting a younger generation, "the Pepsi generation." How will Nintendo upgrade people to a Wii 2? With a more fully featured and "grown-up" version of the already world-conquering Wii.
BLaZiN PRopHeT
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BenjaminBirdie said:
So far we know that nintendo's platforms account for 20 of the top 30 games and the 360 so far accounts for 7-8 depending on which system fallout 3 is for. Not looking good for the ps3 so far they only have 1 or 2 games in the top 30.
Kobun Heat
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Here's the full top 20 plus all the top 10s by platform...
http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/02/january-2009s-t.html
http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/02/january-2009s-t.html
JoshuaJSlone
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Because, at this rate, everyone on Earth will have a Wii by then. :\
I know you're mostly talking hardware here, but this reminds me of something else. I remember thinking it quite the happening in the late 90s (or maybe 2000?) when Nintendo stopped being the #1 publisher on these charts, overtaken by EA. I assume Nintendo is on top again, but when did this switch occur?
The previous generation's winner is definitely in the best position when a new one starts. Historically it seems like they've got to do something crazy to lose it, at which point the mightiest alternative has a chance to become king of the hill.HylianTom said:
BenjaminBirdie
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Kobun Heat said:
If Skate 2 is the #2 PS3 game and it's not even in the top 20....
TheGreatDave
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How did RB2 do on Wii last month? Seems to be doing worse than RB1 did on the platform.
Mr Killemgood said:
Feel free to look at that one, which was posted here on GAF months ago. The big spike at the end for the 360 to out-sell the PS3 was the price drop in September, 2008. Unless it's been stated elsewhere, that trend has stayed the same, and the 360>PS3 since September.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14741877&postcount=1
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[B][U]Hardware | This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD [/U][/B]
NDS | 62,013 | 70,760 | 611,709 | 25,731,352
PSP | 34,969 | 44,135 | 383,381 | 11,741,545
WII | 20,412 | 23,278 | 264,001 | 7,742,902
PS3 | 16,082 | 17,405 | 160,683 | 2,783,111
360 | 8,311 | 8,107 | 63,905 | 894,445
PS2 | 5,089 | 5,334 | 40,436 | 21,439,960
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DSi | 49,529 | 55,613 | 480,004 | 1,711,371
DSL | 12,484 | 15,147 | 131,705 |JoshuaJSlone
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Not that it downplays an oldie like Mario Kart DS making the overall Top 10, but launch title Super Mario 64 DS remaining in the DS Top 10 is pretty crazy too. I believe this is its 51st month on the market?Kobun Heat said:
Buh? Hasn't Nintendo been including the jacket with the remote for a long time? How could there still be many more jacket-less remotes out there?Top Accessories said:
BenjaminBirdie
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Arde5643 said:
Could we assume it's Skate 2 PS3? I was never good at these sorts of Math Problems but surely someone could sort of the rest of the top 30 with these Kool Klues.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Wow...that's an even worse performance for PS3 software than I previously thought. Outside of a short bump due to a future price cut, it really looks like PS3 has already peaked in NA.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
BenjaminBirdie said:
i don't think that's possible. only thing for certain is that super smash bros. brawl is the highest wii game outside the top 20. and the 1 non-nintendo game in between 21-30 is probably either Skate 3 PS3 or NBA 2K9 360.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
John Dunbar said:
Skate 2 in the top 30 or the extrapolation?
Anecdotal claims? As I wrote before, Nintendo stated they had increased the budget. IIRC, they also increased their staff in marketing.Deku said:
I think you clearly misunderstood my position. I never claim the message isn't important. At least, the company shouldn't shoot itself in his own feet. But when your product is gaining steam and the income is increasng, you automatically have more money to accelerate the whole cycle.
I wrote my answer to the former poster, because he claims MS could fight back. I have my doubts, because after a certain point, the market leader can fight back on the marketing front with ease - just put more ads out. I'm not sure why this is debatable at all.
Stoney Mason
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Jonsoncao said:
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Top 20 Games Overall, January 2009
WII FIT WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA
MARIO KART W/WHEEL WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA
LEFT 4 DEAD 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS
CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR* 360 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
SKATE 2 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS
GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* WII ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
NEW SUPER MARIO BROS NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
MARIO KART DS NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
LORD OF THE RINGS: CONQUEST 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS
CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR PS3 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
GEARS OF WAR 2* 360 MICROSOFT
FALLOUT 3* 360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
JILLIAN MICHAELS FITNESS ULTIMATUM 2009 WII MAJESCO
LINK'S CROSSBOW TRAINING WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA
MY FITNESS COACH WII UBISOFT
ROCK BAND 2* 360 MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS
GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* 360 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR WII ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
LEGO STAR WARS: COMPLETE SAGA WII LUCASARTS
Top 10 Wii
WII WII FIT NINTENDO OF AMERICA
WII WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA
WII MARIO KART W/WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA
WII GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
WII JILLIAN MICHAELS FITNESS ULTIMATUM 2009 MAJESCO
WII LINK'S CROSSBOW TRAINING NINTENDO OF AMERICA
WII MY FITNESS COACH UBISOFT
WII CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
WII LEGO STAR WARS: COMPLETE SAGA LUCASARTS
WII SUPER SMASH BROS: BRAWL NINTENDO OF AMERICA
Top 10 Xbox 360
360 LEFT 4 DEAD ELECTRONIC ARTS
360 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
360 SKATE 2 ELECTRONIC ARTS
360 LORD OF THE RINGS: CONQUEST ELECTRONIC ARTS
360 GEARS OF WAR 2* MICROSOFT
360 FALLOUT 3* BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
360 ROCK BAND 2* MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS
360 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
360 NBA 2K9 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
360 FABLE II* MICROSOFT
Top 10 PlayStation 2
PS2 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
PS2 MADDEN NFL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS
PS2 GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
PS2 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS RE: CHAIN OF MEMORIES SQUARE ENIX INC
PS2 WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2009 THQ
PS2 NBA 2K9 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
PS2 ROCK BAND 2 MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS
PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO: SAN ANDREAS TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
PS2 ROCK BAND* MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS
Top 10 PlayStation 3
PS3 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
PS3 SKATE 2 ELECTRONIC ARTS
PS3 LITTLE BIG PLANET SONY
PS3 MORTAL KOMBAT VS. DC UNIVERSE* MIDWAY
PS3 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
PS3 LORD OF THE RINGS: CONQUEST ELECTRONIC ARTS
PS3 MADDEN NFL 09* ELECTRONIC ARTS
PS3 FALLOUT 3* BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
PS3 RESISTANCE 2* SONY
PS3 ROCK BAND 2* MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS
Top 10 Game Boy Advance
GBA UNO 52 DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
GBA BIG MUTHA TRUCKERS DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
GBA VALUE GAME BUNDLE 14.99 MULTIPLE VIDEO GAME MANUFACTURER
GBA PUPPY LUV: SPA & RESORT ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
GBA ASTEROIDS/PONG/YARS DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
GBA VAN HELSING ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
GBA MADAGASCAR ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
GBA SONIC THE HEDGEHOG SEGA OF AMERICA
GBA SPYHUNTER/SUPERSPRINT DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
GBA PRINCESS NATASHA: STUDENT SECRET AGENT DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
Top 10 Nintendo DS
NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
NDS MARIO KART DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
NDS CLUB PENGUIN: ELITE PENGUIN FORCE DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A DAY NINTENDO OF AMERICA
NDS MARIO PARTY NINTENDO OF AMERICA
NDS BRAIN AGE: TRAIN YOUR BRAIN IN MINUTES A DAY NINTENDO OF AMERICA
NDS SUPER MARIO 64 DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
NDS KIRBY SUPER STAR ULTRA NINTENDO OF AMERICA
NDS PERSONAL TRAINER: COOKING NINTENDO OF AMERICA
NDS COOKING MAMA MAJESCO
Top 10 PSP
PSP MIDNIGHT CLUB: LA REMIX TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
PSP MADDEN NFL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS
PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: LIBERTY CITY STORIES TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
PSP LEGO BATMAN WARNER INTERACTIVE
PSP WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2009 THQ
PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: VICE CITY STORIES TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
PSP STAR OCEAN: SECOND EVOLUTION SQUARE ENIX INC
PSP NEED FOR SPEED: UNDERCOVER ELECTRONIC ARTS
PSP CRISIS CORE: FINAL FANTASY VII SQUARE ENIX INC
PSP WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2008 THQ
Top 10 Accessories
WII NUNCHUK CONTROLLER NINTENDO OF AMERICA
WII REMOTE CONTROLLER W/ JACKET NINTENDO OF AMERICA
PS3 DUALSHOCK 3 WIRELESS CONTROLLER SONY
WII REMOTE CONTROLLER NINTENDO OF AMERICA
360 LIVE 12 MONTH GOLD CARD MICROSOFT
360 LIVE 1600 POINT GAME CARD MICROSOFT
WII WHEEL GRIP NINTENDO OF AMERICA
WII CHARGE STATION NYKO
360 LIVE 1 MONTH GOLD CARD MICROSOFT
360 HEADSET MICROSOFT
*Includes limited, collectors', instrument bundlesBenjaminBirdie
Banned
It's pretty fascinating to compare the top tens of the PS3 and 360
You can see what games are preferred on each console and which have become almost de facto "exclusives" for one or the other in terms of preference.
You can see what games are preferred on each console and which have become almost de facto "exclusives" for one or the other in terms of preference.
Omar Ismail
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poppabk said:
Let's assume that they're breaking even on the Arcade SKU right now at $199. By November of 2009 you really don't think the cost will have dropped by $50 minimum? And do you really think a game disc + Wiimote costs more than $100 to produce? So they can continue to be at breakeven at a $250 price point.
Drop the Arcade to $179, and sell a separate Waggle Pack for $100.
Both of these things go together.
Accessibility is all about leveraging pre-existing knowledge. Holding a controller is an experience that is unique to console games, meaning the majority of the world has never used a controller before. However, everybody has held a ball, or a bat, or punched in the air, or has done a push-up. So when you play something like Wii Sports or Wii Fit, you're not LEARNING how to swing a bat, you're just swinging a bat.
Most people in the world are familiar with the way PCs work and have experience with them, that's why PC gaming is also more accessible than traditional console gaming. However, when you move to older (70+) generations they don't have as much experience with a PC, so actually PC gaming is not accessible to them.
Approximating the MOTIONS of real-world activities that we already KNOW is the breakthrough for accessibility. When I say "waggle" I don't necessarily mean a Wiimote. It can be any technology that allows people to do the motions they already know to interact with software simulations of activities they already know. They tried to do this with EyeToy/Live Camera but I don't think the tech is there yet.
So by this definition they don't have ACCESSIBLE software. Even things like Viva Pinata are too esoteric for the average person. Not the average GAMER, but the average everyday Joe and Jane. The best examples they have is Lips, Scene It, and You're in the Movies. Lips and SceneIt are far too specialized, and I don't think many people will claim "You're In the Movies" is high quality.
It'll be a difficult position, but what option do they have? The goal for them from a mindshare perspective is that when someone has a great experience playing Wii Sports at a friend's house and they're like "Oh, I need to get one of these!" that ONE person says "Actually, a 360 does that as well". That's it.
frankie_baby
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Sadist said:
i doubt it, i'd just expect a lot more effort with COD6wii
Grampa Simpson
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I'd buy a Microsoft branded waggle wand, if it became a prominent alternative input device for shooters on that system. I *WANT* to play RE5 like I played RE4 on the Wii. The fact remains, that in consumers' minds, Wii == Waggle, and that will obviously be the best place to get it.Omar Ismail said:
Additionally, it could have an interesting side effect - if Microsoft provided a pointer mechanism for shooter controls for 360 users, and it turned out to be popular, they'd be all but telling their userbase that Nintendo had it right all along.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Arde5643 said:
GHWT and Rock Band's places for one.
You're assuming most people are fine with a "poor man's" waggle.Omar Ismail said:
Since the difference between the arcade and Wii is only $50, most people would likely spend the $50 more on the more "superior" waggle system.
I have these in quotes because at this point, it's a matter of perception, as everyone else previously have been trying to beat it through your skull (with little success, unfortunately since you keep on drumming the same tortured logic).
If 360 tries to emulate waggle so late in the game, they'll only be considered the poor man's version of the Wii.
TheKingsCrown said:
totally agree. ppl have the IMAGE of each of these products ALREADY, nothing's gonna change much.
motion sensor, WiiFit, get a Wii.
something waggle, something exercise, get a xbox360? unlikely
remember Nintendo had this waggle idea during GC age. they once thought of implementing on GC but held for the Wii, a NEW console. cos' they knew by implement it on GC, it's not gonna help THAT MUCH on GC nor to Nintendo. GC was losing big (in terms of sales figure and image) to other 2. but a new product can have clean start.
very clever business strategy.
It's simple to turn people's perception: MarketingArde5643 said:
Package Arcade + waggle @ $250. Flood TV airways with head to head X360 HD Sport / Play vs Wii Sport / Play. Tag: Same price, same game play and graphics that blow Wii away. What casual gamer wouldn't fall for it. Continue to hammer it home later on with 3rd party games.
Plus, at worst, Microsoft's waggle would function same as Wii. More likely, it's going to be better (newer tech).
I can understand why Sony won't release a PS3 + waggle (price already too high), but don't understand Microsoft.
plagiarize
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Joe. That graph isn't of Japanese sales. It's UK sales. It just has Japanese writing because it's taken from a Japanese financial report. It supports my belief that the 360 has been outselling the PS3 in UK since the price drop. You have provided no evidence to refute that, and there is evidence supporting it staring you in the face.Joe211 said:
No one is disputing the PS3 outselling the 360 in Japan.
whether you call the UK a territory or not it doesn't change that UK is a bigger market than Japan now. Is Japan a territory? Is the USA a territory? How the fuck are you defining territory and why do you think it is remotely relevant?
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
360 attempting to replicate the Wii would be a huge time & resources sink and worse could go either way. Couple that with the current recession and it's an absolutely terrible idea.
Should they look at it next-gen? Of course. But right now or in the near future? Hell No.
Should they look at it next-gen? Of course. But right now or in the near future? Hell No.
plagiarize
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i'm being to wonder if Joe is a Poe.
bloody good one if so.
bloody good one if so.