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NPD Sales Results for September 2007
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BenjaminBirdie
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Gadfly said:
That sounds pretty unappealing to your average consumer. But probably beneficial to Sony? For like the fourteen minutes before it becomes a PR nightmare?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
US MGS and FF fans aren't going to account for 2.5 million PS3s this November+December.Gadfly said:
What?Gadfly said:
Consumer friendly PS2 launch price $299
Consumer friendly Xbox launch price $299
Consumer friendly GameCube launch price $199 (not that it did too much good)
Since when $399 is considered a consumer friendly price? I wouldn't want for people to delude themselves over this.
PS3 needs to reach $199 before it's consumer friendly. Otherwise it's a platform for hardcore gamers and there's already one, slightly cheaper, doing far better and offering similar gaming experiences.
vpance said:
The thing about the PS3 that you have to consider is that I'm sure many of its owners have at least own other gaming option (PC, 360, Wii, etc.). I know there are a lot of spoiled rich kids out there, but it's a bit propesterous to think that there's not a sizable hardcore enthusiast chunk of a $500/$600 gaming machine's owners. I've bought probably about ten or fifteen games the past few months, but for PS3 just Resistance and imports of HSG5 and PES 2008. The reason I haven't gotten HS (other than the fact that I'm not a huge fan of the genre) is that there is just too much stuff I have to play elsewhere, and I'd imagine I'm not alone in this. I think you can argue to a certain extent that Wii releases exist in a bubble, but much less so for PS3.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Sony's biggest software success of the last few months was 300 on Blu Ray.
Their next big software success story is Spiderman 3, then Pirates of the Caribbean 3 Blu Ray. Those will likely outsell most (if not all) of the gaming software during the holidays.
Now, do you think that those facts worry Sony?
I'd say yes and no, but I rather hear what other folks think.
Their next big software success story is Spiderman 3, then Pirates of the Caribbean 3 Blu Ray. Those will likely outsell most (if not all) of the gaming software during the holidays.
Now, do you think that those facts worry Sony?
I'd say yes and no, but I rather hear what other folks think.
you think people are ok to pay for BC if it is reflected in something physical but not if it is done through software?BenjaminBirdie said:
And TBH, I don't think anybody will stop buying $400 PS3 due to lack of BC. How did it affect xbox owners?
BenjaminBirdie
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Gadfly said:
?!?
I think at this point, today, when a customer walks into Best Buy, they see a precedent for a $400 console to offer backwards compatibility. And a year into its lifespan, where the PS3 is now, a $400 360 offered backwards compatibility for nearly all of its high profile titles.
Gadfly said:
In all honesty the xbox's library was pretty crap in comparison to the ps2's library so missing a couple of games would hardly be noticed. I only own something like 6 xbox games soul calibur 2 and shenmue 2 being the only ones iv'e played recently. So in al the comparison doesn't really stand but with that said it might appeal to people who keep their older consoles.
Gadfly said:
Well, MS announced that they would be adding BC and had a goal of making BC as close to 100% as possible.
So far, Sony has said no BC in the 40 GB sku and the last thing they said about it was that they cut the BC to encourage people to buy PS3 games :lol
So it's not exactly the same situation.
BenjaminBirdie
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Nolan. said:
That's also true. My PS2 library was and still is about four times the size of my Xbox 1 library.
AnimeTheme
Member
VanMardigan said:
Right now, all Sony want is as much PS3 hardware sales as possible. They don't and can't care about whether people are buying the machines for BD movies or whatever (for now). Their situation in the US is too poor for them to consider anything else other than expanding hardware user base.
I think $400 is the first mark of what could be considered consumer-friendly, because MS has been at that price point and did modestly well at it. They sold 1.5m 360's in Nov/Dec last year at $400 (a small mix of $300 Core in there as well). Now that the PS3 is down to that level, it's reasonable to say it should start doing similar numbers. Not spectacular, but solid, one might say.cedric69 said:
MobiusPigeon
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$400 was consumer friendly because it had games worth the price of admission. ps3 does not and will not have that this year. ps3 will see a boost this holiday because of blu ray sales. its that simple. nothing else will be boosting ps3 sales.
Philthy
Member
Gadfly said:
If you hung around the forums much, everytime the 360 got some BC updates, you would have seen that people did indeed take the BC seriously enough that it effected their purchase. Trying to say the BC on the 360 was no big deal would be pretty ignorant. When Halo 3 and Forza 2 were starting their hype train, quite a few(ton) of people went out and picked up the older games to play to get a feel for the newer game. During the slower months, you would see many people asking about good BC RPGs to go play to keep them busy while they wait for the "next big thing" to come out. People are still waiting for their favorite XBox games to get BC. You'll see a rant here and there.
Before this generation really started, BC was a big deal. It was a trump card everyone was showing and beating their chests over. Out of all three, Microsoft got slagged because it wasn't 100%, and it was pretty big news when they said they didn't think BC was very important. The following day they retracted the statement and apologized because they found out really quick how important BC is to their player base.
So you tell me, how did it affect xbox owners? Quite a bit, actually. Sony is going to find this out really fast.
Gadfly said:
Current sales charts say yes. However, comparing the size of the MGS fan base to the size of the Halo fan base would be a bit absurd. The spike in sales will more than likely be minimal. Much like the 360 when Bioshock came out.
Count Dookkake
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Has there been a Sony press release to spin their failure? Page number please, if yes.
I think people might be in for a very pleasant surprising/humbling experience concerning MGS. I think the game will sell but not monumental console shifting selling people seem to be hoping for. I think the title to look forward to do that is a ps3 FF who knows there might even be a break out new ip in there somewhere i'm not even sure GTA 4 on the ps3 will fare well looking at the 3rd party trend.
BenjaminBirdie
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vpance said:
He'd be a hardcore gamer who owns a PS3 and there are probably more of the latter than the former.
Sho_Nuff82
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GhaleonEB said:
MS also had Gears of War, Rainbow Six Vegas, the lead version of Call of Duty 3, the launch of video marketplace, and $100 price breaks at most major retailers.
Even so, I don't think aiming for MS' 2006 numbers is all that great, since MS' is looking to sell 25 to 50% more this year. If the PS3 falls behind an additional million units in the next 3 months, there's no coming back from that.
Well with the news of Dual Shock 3 and Home coming in 'spring' what incentive does anyone have to buy a PS3 now vs later (for MGS)? Is there a MGS demo up on PSN? Are there similar game experiences to MGS on the PS3 right now? The games that are on shelves right now have to present a compelling argument.
vpance said:
As usual, the use of the term "hardcore" has tripped us up (although for the record I am yoober-hardcore because import multiple titles and I'm importing a DS3 so yeah I'm pretty money)--as I was alluding to above the "hardcore" is just in reference to how well informed/obsessive/nerdy the person is about games in general, not specifically whether they are PS3 diehards.
JoshuaJSlone
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It will take a hell of a lot to get PS3 to 2.5 million. A fraction of a few exclusive franchises' diehard fans buying their machines months early isn't enough. Zelda fans buying their GCNs early for Wind Waker pushed GameCube to a 1.0 million November+December 2002.Gadfly said:
I guess it didn't come up right. I didn't mean to imply that the news themselves are not something to write home about!jay said:
they have sold out every month for the last year so I don't expect an interesting PR release. What can they say that they pretty much didn't say last month? We could have sold 2 million if we had shipped 2 million?
Nolan. said:
I agree. I don't think GTA4 will move PS3 as much as it will move 360, and I don't think MGS4 can reverse the PS3's trends.
FF and Gran Turismo are the established franchises that can help the PS3, but it remains to be seen if FF can even make it out in 2008.
siamesedreamer
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joshcryer said:
Maybe...
But, I also thing the number is a bit inflated because of people like me who bought their second 360 simply because of the Halo 3 Special Edition 360 SKU who otherwise wouldn't have purchased a 360 during the month.
Gadfly said:
Apparently, Reggie said this:
"The Wii went up against the self-proclaimed 'biggest entertainment launch ever' and we emerged with our biggest month of the year.
They have fired their bullet, and our gun is loaded and ready to fire throughout the Holiday season'.
It seems pretty obvious that Nintendo got some extra inventory into the channel for Sep, I imagine to rain on MS' Halo parade. It didn't quite work out- almost- so I was curious to see how they handled it.
Omar Ismail
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You know, as a gaming device I think the PS3 is even more dead than people think. I'm sure if you did an analysis of attach rate you'd see that the PS3 userbase acts much smaller than it actually is. Essentially being the cheapest/best Blu-Ray player has masked just how abysmally the PS3 is doing as a GAME CONSOLE.
This would be an interesting analysis to take, but I don't have the numbers to do it myself, maybe someone else can? Do this: Find the attach rate of the PS2 at all points of its life (in a graph). This number will act as the standard of effective user base. So let's say at the same point in life the Wii has an attach rate 80% of the PS2's attach rate at the same time, then the Wii's effective userbase is 80% of its LTD sales.
Does this make sense?
This would be an interesting analysis to take, but I don't have the numbers to do it myself, maybe someone else can? Do this: Find the attach rate of the PS2 at all points of its life (in a graph). This number will act as the standard of effective user base. So let's say at the same point in life the Wii has an attach rate 80% of the PS2's attach rate at the same time, then the Wii's effective userbase is 80% of its LTD sales.
Does this make sense?
vpance said:
Well it isn't a very complicated situation.
PS3, even at 400 dollars, is priced only for the hardcore.
The hardcore tend to own more than one system.
These owners tend to buy the better versions of third party games, and these have largely been on the 360.
You have cases like Orange Box, where the 360 gets it a few months ahead of the PS3, and you have cases like Call of Duty 3, where it's just better on the 360, technically, and even when you have parity between the two titles technically, like Sega Rally, the 360 version still has advantages (rumble, custom soundtracks, better online integration, etc.) that will probably skew in the 360's favor.
siamesedreamer
Banned
Gadfly said:
:lol :lol :lol
Apparently week per week, they sold pretty much the same as the month before.D O W N said:
yes I think if they had managed to outsell 360, it would have been a small (PR wise) victory. But who needs more PR victories when they sell everything they build?
If 360 had not sold more than Wii, GAF (despite its collective prediction that 360 will not outsell Wii ), would be reeling in LOL @MS comments. Apparently that 20K extra to a degree made it a little harder to do so.
dr_rus said:
I don't think so. First day/week sales for Halo 3 are likely to be more for people who already have the console. People who want to buy the console for Halo 3 would be more likely to buy later on, as part of the Christmas season. The Halo bump will continue until January, and as far as hardware goes, could end up stronger in October than in September.
OldJadedGamer
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Gadfly said:
Why do you keep comparing MSG to Halo? The MGS series saw their sales cut in half when going from MGS2-MGS3 yet when MGS3 released, the PS2 enjoyed a bigger install base.