Was it kinda his fault because everyone should know that the police will kill you if try to argue with them?
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NYPD kill a man after he breaks up a fight between others.
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I believe you mean condemn
Complete lack of accountability. Why restrain yourself when your department will have your back, and the worst punishment you'll ever face is paid time off? Hard to feel bad for the 'good' cops when they work so hard to protect the 'bad' ones.
And to the people saying 'why won't Americans do something about this?' - plenty of Americans are perfectly fine with it. Since it's mostly happening to brown and black people, a large chunk of Americans assume that they've obviously done something to 'deserve it'. As long as white people aren't being excessively harassed by the police, Americans are fine with police brutality the way it is. It's just sickening.
NoctisVsStar
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Thank you for the correction =] iPhones always doing their own check lol
You say this in jest, but that's how I am starting to see it. Once you give them any reason to yell, "Stop resisting!" all bets are off.
kame-sennin
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This is correct. For people wondering why police escalate to violent tactics so frequently, or for those of you stubbornly shouting #NotAllCops, you should take a look at how police are actually trained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPrm4ZOwSCM
There is nothing unusual about the way the police handled this situation. They did what they were trained to do, which is why they will receive no punishment. The problem is not the individuals, but the institution that is built on harassment, violence, and oppression.
They seem to attract a lot of egomaniacs who want to act like legalized thugs.
Not all of them are, but there are enough of them and the "good" ones just keep quiet.
EdibleKnife
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Feel like I'm about to throw up. Jesus Christ.
Sorcerer Supreme
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NYPD officers are scum.
samus i am
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Just watched the video. I've been in a situation like that. This whole thing is incredibly sad.
DoktorEvil
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What? No. That's not even what I said.
Watch the video and watch the cops surrounding him as if he was a threat, even with his hands out clearly not showing any aggression.
This was shitty training and the asshole wearing 99 I hope is put in jail. He escalated the entire fucking thing.
Comments like this are really disappointing. A few morons don't make all of them morons.
Read the thread. The "few bad apples" argument isn't a valid one anymore (if it ever was).
samus i am
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You can tell he know that moment could be his last. And sadly it was.
kame-sennin
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Well said, but Americans forgot this a long time ago (and people of color have always known it wasn't true).
How about we express some solidarity? Instead of letting the state divide us up along race and class lines as they have always done, let's recognize that any one of us is a potential victim. People of color will always be at much greater risk, but if whites are realizing that they too are threatened, we should encourage and support them. As a person of color, it's in my best interest to have white allies.
Corporations. The answer to your question is corporations.
WeAreStarStuff
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Where, pray tell, are all the upstanding officers speaking out against this murder?
Good cops who don't speak and act out against stuff like this aren't good cops. As long as this sort of thing is punishable by paid suspension instead of criminal prosecution, people are right to criticize "the police" as an organization.
It's always valid since, you know, it's true? Plenty of officers are good men and women. I shouldn't even have to inform you of this.
There should never be a time where we can't question the actions of cops and do so shouldn't get you killed.
Those "good" men and women often times don't speak out against these cops or defend them outright.
TheRealTalker
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This is completely disgusting
Bloody horrible
They should be all guilty of murder
he said please leave me alone.... never attacked them never did anything
What do they do? Assault him treat him like cattle?!
He tells them that he can't breath and what do they do? Puts his face even closer to the cement
Murderers! Criminals! is what they are... I hope they feel the guilt for their crimes
Bloody horrible
They should be all guilty of murder
he said please leave me alone.... never attacked them never did anything
What do they do? Assault him treat him like cattle?!
He tells them that he can't breath and what do they do? Puts his face even closer to the cement
Murderers! Criminals! is what they are... I hope they feel the guilt for their crimes
Serious question - where are the good men and women in the police force that speak up when the bad ones do bad stuff? I'm think that's what he's referring to.
Don't get me wrong, I know there are good people in enforcement. I have family members in the police force, but the system is not set up for them to be truly what they should be or to be able to do what they should do.
Even if they don't actively go around murdering innocents, they aren't doing anything about it and their superiors are condoning such behaviour by not punishing it.
They murder people for no reason and there are next to no repercussions!
The fact that you could guess the disciplinary outcome and race of the victim before even clicking on these threads tells you that the american police force has a systemic problem and every employee is part of it.
The legal system has zero accountability for a job that should be measured at the highest standards possible. And the NYPD and other major departments are failing miserably.
Plus it's my side that's backed by statistics and not your wishful thinking.
Jesus. This is just as, if not more frightening that the original video of the thread.
Of course the last line from the reporter said internal investigations found no wrongdoing.
Not even Brazilian police scares me more than NYPD when I am visiting. I always make sure to stay the hell away from them.
Obviously not all of them would act like this, but I don't like taking chances.
I honestly don't know how this isn't a standard by now.
Obviously not all of them would act like this, but I don't like taking chances.
I honestly don't know how this isn't a standard by now.
a large % of the population doesn't see anything wrong with any of this.
They think minorities are exaggerating. And we can't get anywhere with the debate, because of pushback from #notallcops. Can't point out bad cops, and note theres a systemic problem.
Avoid police at all costs. No point risking getting shot for being black.
From a post on Reddit. Somehow, even with this pretty black and white rule in place, I doubt anything will happen to the offending officer.
84 percent of police officers report that theyve seen colleagues use excessive force on civilians so there are the "good ones" it's just consistent systemic failures to actually curb police brutality continues to be so.
CornBurrito
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Right. And that's why people feel justified saying "fuck the police" without having to put a large disclaimer stating that they recognize that there are individually good cops on the force. There are always bound to be genuinely good people serving in corrupt systems. Which ironically makes things worse, because it leads people to defend the corrupt system because #notallcops.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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ACAB. Goddamn. When you think they can't get worse, they do.
Most people being intellectually honest understand that human beings speak in general unless they qualify their comments with "every single instance of ____."
Its just people being obtuse and wanting to have some nonsense sidebar about how the world shouldn't generalize, because of reasons. Meanwhile, the folks that they feel are being 'generalized' are getting away with murder and not speaking up for those that they see are corrupt.
What is the point of highlighting to adults the lessons of generalizing? As if its not understood as a general comment to begin with.
When people say fuck NYPD, its fuck the corrupt assholes on the NYPD. When people say Fuck America, its fuck the government/warmongers. Not every single human being and baby that lives there.
sonikokaruto
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actually was wondering if the dude was black
went to the pictures: he was black.
not saying it was a racist crime, just saying that preconceptions from stupid cops provked that.
went to the pictures: he was black.
not saying it was a racist crime, just saying that preconceptions from stupid cops provked that.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I'll say it's a racist crime. It involved police. We should all be way past giving them any benefit of the doubt for this, because it's clear they won't give it to us.
Way to lump ALL LEOs together. Classy and intelligent.
Please remember that not all LEO's are represented by the lesser amounting bad incidents. But that seems to be too much to ask for from people, especially some here for whatever reason.
they killed him for thinking he was selling cigarettes.
And the initial guys don't even look like cops? they look like fucking finger men.
Here we go again with this nonsense.
So why are you taking what he is saying, and adding the qualifier of ALL lwhen he didn't add it J-Rzez.
Do you genuinely think that he said every single police officer in america? OR do you think it was a general statement. Honest question. Real honest question.
Why do the laws of basic communication some to hit a hitch when someone says a general statement about police..? The defense force must come out to inform the world that they understood a general comment to mean every single instance. And that it is in fact, not the case, as literally, every single police officer isn't a bad one.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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A person died, and you're choosing to care more about potentially inaccurate generalizations against a group who have murdered minorities and gotten away with it than what this means for every single civilian in this country.
SuperAndroid17
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The kid with the green shirt totally mishandled the situation and used excessive force. He's probably going to get fired and see some jail time. You probably wont believe me about the punishment because of GAF's hivemind paid vacation mentality. In cases like these, a Grand Jury ( Made up of people like yourself, a civilian, will be appointed by a judge) and will decide what kind of case this will be. No bill or a criminal prosecution. In my humble opinion...I hope these dumbasses get thrown in jail.
EscoBlades
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To say this is depressing is an understatement.
And anyone even remotely trying to defend this can go take a running jump off a cliff. SERIOUSLY!
And anyone even remotely trying to defend this can go take a running jump off a cliff. SERIOUSLY!
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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If there are way more better cops, why aren't cops better?
EscoBlades
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Someone DIED. DIED! As a result of some incompetence.
And you are choosing to focus on the #notallcops argument? What the hell is this?
I feel better lumping police officers in entire departments together rather than all police throughout the country. In my city police are pretty good. But even if shitty cops are the minority in the NYPD, like others have said, why aren't the good cops speaking out? How can they be mostly good cops when there's zero accountability and they all have each other's backs?
I probably wouldn't say it's fair to say all NYPD cops are shit (I don't even have much experience with the city), but the NYPD itself certainly is.
Devolution
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BronsonLee
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I'm still trying to follow their thought process here.
It's kind of reaching to even try and arrest someone for selling loosies, much less take them down like that, much less require that many police officers at all. They can't officially claim that's the reason, or they're going to get hit for millions.
That cop was astoundingly vague too. 'It was for something else?' ...So...nothing? They can't even argue he was resisting since the video clearly shows he was not.
Then again, in Philly we had a case where a cop fucking uppercutted a Puerto Rican woman for allegedly spraying him with Silly String and it was caught on tape. He was fired, but was let off on criminal charges due to lack of evidence.. The courtroom cheered.
It's kind of reaching to even try and arrest someone for selling loosies, much less take them down like that, much less require that many police officers at all. They can't officially claim that's the reason, or they're going to get hit for millions.
That cop was astoundingly vague too. 'It was for something else?' ...So...nothing? They can't even argue he was resisting since the video clearly shows he was not.
Then again, in Philly we had a case where a cop fucking uppercutted a Puerto Rican woman for allegedly spraying him with Silly String and it was caught on tape. He was fired, but was let off on criminal charges due to lack of evidence.. The courtroom cheered.
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