This thread really demonstrates some of the most egregious examples of concern trolling I've ever seen on GAF.
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Oculus CEO: The headset and computer to run it will cost you ~$1,500
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so i don't really have a horse in the morpheus/rift race, but i think there's a real barrier in price in that people may already have a computer or that computer technology will eventually be affordable to the point where a rift is a one-off novelty device to have for several years. the ps4 is already a luxury item that's several hundred dollars and then it needs a peripheral that might cost a good penny more. if you have a pc and not a ps4, it might be more accurate to see the pc vr device as inexpensive compared to the gaming-only device.
more than that, i think this is super duper early in where it will eventually wind up. like in ten years probably expect these things to be $100 if successful. as far as video games are concerned, i think this is the equivalent of making a cd add-on machine for them sweet sweet full motion videos. the first people to rock the video game world are going to be the people who make it part of their system as a standard, so that every experience is designed around vr conceptually, much like 3d was with the playstation and n64.
more than that, i think this is super duper early in where it will eventually wind up. like in ten years probably expect these things to be $100 if successful. as far as video games are concerned, i think this is the equivalent of making a cd add-on machine for them sweet sweet full motion videos. the first people to rock the video game world are going to be the people who make it part of their system as a standard, so that every experience is designed around vr conceptually, much like 3d was with the playstation and n64.
SprachBrooks
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Too high a price-point for methe enthusiast lot will eat this up though and I'm guessing many will find innovative ways to use it.
Fascinating to experience the infancy of the VR market.
Fascinating to experience the infancy of the VR market.
magnumpy
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I can go ahead and confirm that for you. for one thing, the vive is coming out sooner; it's reasonable to assume that technology will have progressed between Q4 2015 and Q1 2016. for another, samsung has the technological advantage over htc. just compare their cellphones; samsung has the advantage over htc.
Don't double down dude. It's not £1200-1500, it's £1500. We're talking about the lowest price point here.
Also when the oculus arrives these prices will have dropped quite a bit.
Here's a nice summary of the rendering costs of VR:
I hope you'll forgive me for considering that line of argument insufficient.
RoadHazard
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While it's true that the PC will have more experiences, it does seem like you're taking for granted that Sony won't really support Morpheus with software at all, and that 3rd parties won't bother either. Maybe that's what will happen, maybe it isn't. Could turn out that Morpheus will get loads of cool experiences, even if it won't get all the crazy experimental stuff you'll get on PC.
Turin Turambar
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Just 3 months isn't exactly enough to have a technological leap in hardware.
HappehLemons
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Yikes, considering most people don't know how to read if this starts getting media traction I can see people thinking the headset costs $1000+ really hurting them.
It seems like this is already happening in this thread.
My PC was around $1000 because I built it myself (GTX 970/i7-4790K)
I can't imagine it's going to cost $500 though.
It seems like this is already happening in this thread.
My PC was around $1000 because I built it myself (GTX 970/i7-4790K)
I can't imagine it's going to cost $500 though.
I guess short sighted eyes have trouble seeing long term goals.
I never said that Sony or 3rd parties wont support Morpheus whatsoever. Never said anything like that. All I said was that PC will have vastly more content, and more varied content.
Which it will. Simply because it has the tech to support a larger variety.
People shouldn't take this personally.
magnumpy
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forget about time, just look at the state of their current cellphones.
Samsung Galaxy S6
2560×1440
HTC One M9
1920×1080
samsung clearly has more advanced screen technology.
Release Morpheus with 3 games packed in. No Man's Sky, some multiplayer/competitve game, some adventure/single player game that really shows off the immersion aspect and Sony would rule the landscape. I love the rift, but thinking Sony has the bigger shot on making the public take notice.
SomedayTheFire
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I was going for current prices, sure. Maybe you are right about the prices by then. I was simply pointing out that it's still going to be a pretty expensive purchase is one wants to go all in on a PS4/Morpheus that doesn't already own one.
Your line of reasoning in this post and the last is flawed, and doesn't confirm anything. As of right now we know the Oculus Rift is using a 2160x1200@90Hz display split in two. The HTC Vive, last we saw, is also using a 2160x1200@90Hz display split in two, with a statement saying that they plan on improving the HMD further for the consumer version. Given that information, only wishful thinking would lead anyone to confirm anything about Oculus having better specs, even if it does end up happening.
There is a difference between making the public take notice and 'ruling the landscape'. They are actually not competing with each other on that level like many people seem to think. People taking notice of VR with PS4 and Morpheus is ultimately good for Oculus.
I meant more the console landscape.
Yeah, I am a little surprised at how much surprise there is in this thread. People figured maybe the headset would be $3-400 (which seems about right), and oculus already said they recommend an i5 and GTX970, so a $1200 PC to drive it. This $1500 figure should be entirely understandable.
And most people that are likely to be following OR or into PC gaming will already have at least part of that equation, which reduces the overall cost. Maybe they'll need to upgrade some parts.
And Vive will likely be at least as expensive, possibly more including the controllers and lighthouse accessories.
I also don't understand the 'who will win' argument. Both are aiming at different audiences, and both will help grow VR. Neither will 'win' because it will be an immature technology that will take some time to mature. OR/Vive has the advantage of an iterating PC platform but Oculus have already said they want the GTX970 to be the baseline for the lifetime of the first OR. PS4 is simulatenously somewhat held back by a fixed platform, but also potentially more accessible for that same reason.
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metareferential
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VR is terrifying apparently; and since it's awesome and revolutionary it brings the worst out of every community xD
But we know the drill: blind concern / aversion comes from people who has not yet tried it. Or can't afford it
Well......yea. I think they've got that covered already as is! Already the much more popular console and MS and Nintendo have no VR products(that we know of), so they are pretty much in a singular position with the console VR market.
Glomby
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Sure and yet it's going to be one of the better VR games since it's going to be an "always stay in character" game with a very photorealistic graphics engine. The first playable portion of the single player is coming out at the end of this year, prolly early next year with delays and I bet you, you need way more than a $1500 PC to play it in VR.
A $1000 PC might be a suitable entry level rig for the majority of VR games but I think most people underestimate what it takes to properly run those games. The requirements are pretty insane for today standards and it's only getting worse. You really need 4k screens at some point to even match the image quality of a simple 1080p display. The first consumer version might do fine with a 1500 rig, but I wouldn't go below that. No matter what a company says who want to sell as many of these devices as possible anyways.
Sidewinder
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Yeah, I'm not yet looking to buy a new PC, maybe in two years...but for Porn alone one doesn't need a big rig, so I might buy me Rift a little sooner
But for now, my entry into the VR world is almost certainly Morpheus.
These technical and monetary hurdles, one has to overcome to fully enjoy the Rift, are the reason why Sony has a real opportunity to truly shine. Not only will it be cheaper but it will most certainly be easier to get it running (plug & play) and they can develop for a fixed system.
Don't fuck this up Sony and you have a 2nd PS2 in your hands!!1
But for now, my entry into the VR world is almost certainly Morpheus.
These technical and monetary hurdles, one has to overcome to fully enjoy the Rift, are the reason why Sony has a real opportunity to truly shine. Not only will it be cheaper but it will most certainly be easier to get it running (plug & play) and they can develop for a fixed system.
Don't fuck this up Sony and you have a 2nd PS2 in your hands!!1
I don't think gen 1 of this stuff (including morpheus) is going to take off like some people hope. People are hand-waving away a tag of $1500 but I think a figure even lower than that would be too much. If it costs $500+ for instance to get in on Sony's version of the tech (even including the cost of the ps4), it will sell to only a fraction of the ps4 base.
Those poised to make the fast mass market gains will be those with inferior but more easily accessible and affordable devices.
Those poised to make the fast mass market gains will be those with inferior but more easily accessible and affordable devices.
I love how some are saying Morpheus and Sony will capitalize on the casual public. Seriously when have any console accessories ever sold well? The Morpheus is setting itself up to be as big of a failure as the Kinect on Xbox One imo. Its going to tank hard because it won't be cheap and it won't have any killer apps. No one in their right mind is gonna go out and buy a $300+ console add on. The npd threads for this stuff will be a blast to go through. I just hope they release official sales numbers for it and not keep it secret. Peoples hype and expectations are reaching ridiculous levels.
Anyways the PC stuff sounds about right. This time next year there will be new gpu/cpus on the market. So your probably looking at about 300-500$ price reduction across the board. It will probably be around $1100 or so in total when the Oculus launches. Which isn't really that bad considering what you are getting in return.
Anyways the PC stuff sounds about right. This time next year there will be new gpu/cpus on the market. So your probably looking at about 300-500$ price reduction across the board. It will probably be around $1100 or so in total when the Oculus launches. Which isn't really that bad considering what you are getting in return.
magnumpy
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well, we'll see what actually happens in the end. I just feel safer betting on samsungs level of technology vs. htcs level of technology. of course if you're in the market for a new cellphone, it's a foregone conclusion that samsung is better.
Tim Sweeney's tweet from some time ago.
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/600486425092468738
Vive's price tag is probably the same.
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/600486425092468738
Tim Sweeney said:
Vive's price tag is probably the same.
GoonerTRON
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I still think the possibilities for core games will be better on PC compared to PS4. I could see Fallout 4 having proper VR support on PC but I really can't see it happening for PS4 without severe graphical downgrades.
Yeah, I'm not yet looking to buy a new PC, maybe in two years...but for Porn alone one doesn't need a big rig, so I might buy me Rift a little sooner
But for now, my entry into the VR world is almost certainly Morpheus. 1
Love your honesty
I think it has the potential to do quite well. Word of mouth will spread and it seems like it will have decent enough support that it wont be like Kinect/Move in that devs didn't give a shit about it. One of the big differences with VR is that developers are actually excited about VR. In fact, developers have been driving the adoption of this tech right along with consumers. Unlike Kinect and Move which nobody ever really asked for and whose meagre support was primarily a result of orders from upstairs more than anything.
Anybody who says they're not interested in VR porn is a liar.
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Sounds reasonable, expecting them to start the vr age in the budget sector right from the start would be very unusual for new hardware like this.
People have had Oculus development headsets since 2013.
I wonder whether morpheus supports VR porn...hmm...
I was being ironic
But I do kinda mean it; "quality affordable VR" is still a thing for the future. People investing in all this gear now are the enthousiast demographic. It won't sell by the bucketloads; and it will mostly allow Occulus / Valve (and Sony to a lesser degree) to work with more consumer feedback, optimise their tech and logistics, test and change their businessmodels, etc. I know this goes for a lot of tech, but we're talking about a new product, in a 'new' (for most people) medium. For me, the next few years are about testing the waters.
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Why not? But will PSN deliver such contend? I doubt it!
Sure, it's still early days. And there will be pitfalls and mistakes made. But hey, look at the traditional gaming scene today and you could argue the same things are still happening. VR's technical aspects, features and useability will definitely improve rapidly, as will the software support, both core(API/SDK) and app level, but I don't think using the phrase 'beta testing' is fair at all. I think the big 3 in VR at the moment are really in a good position to provide a fairly polished consumer experience from Day 1.I was being ironic
But I do kinda mean it; "quality affordable VR" is still a thing for the future. People investing in all this gear now are the enthousiast demographic. It won't sell by the bucketloads; and it will mostly allow Occulus / Valve (and Sony to a lesser degree) to work with more consumer feedback, optimise their tech and logistics, etc.
PS4 has web browser.
I doubt it will work as what i had imagine or seen without proper application support. (Vaguely recall a post i have read on Kotaku about it)
true, but it comes with a cost. I have no VR-experience, but 'consumer experience' also translates to factors like 'does it work out of the box' etc. I can see the PC crowd (and myself) happily tweaking various settings for performance related issues, but the bigger crowd will probably just want it to work, for an affordable price.
googleplex
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Despite the fact that every VR thread as of late has turned into a PC vs Console pissing match. Morpheus, Vive and Oculus will all have a symbotic relationship at the dawn of consumer level VR. I bet each company is hoping th other do well so as to increase the overall pool of people that will be consuming VR content. The more successful Morpheus is the better it is for Oculus and Vive down the line and vice versa.
Given the last few threads expressing disappointment that have gone along these lines, yes. Why? I don't know.
"Hi, my computer can't run modern games in high resolution at 60 fps, but I am SO READY for Occulus!"
Nikodemos
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Indeed. The best possible outcome would be for each of them to occupy a separate cost tier: Morpheus - budget, Oculus - enthusiast, Vive - luxury. This way they will not have to directly fight each other, but each carve a living niche of their own.
ChemicalWorld
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Given the fact that computer hardware components tend to be a bit pricier in Europe than they are in the US, I wonder what that is in pounds.
It does make me wonder what Facebook is after, here. This doesn't sound like the product I imagine they had in mind, in the end; it doesn't strike me as mass-market enough for the audience I thought that they were pursuing. Maybe they're making plans for a few generations down the line.
I think a key difference, too, is that there are more people out there who only require a small subset of upgrades to get enough to make Morpheus work. I'm fairly sure I'd basically need to completely refit my PC to reach that target level. To be fair, though, I am about due a big upgrade, so maybe that's not so bad.
It does make me wonder what Facebook is after, here. This doesn't sound like the product I imagine they had in mind, in the end; it doesn't strike me as mass-market enough for the audience I thought that they were pursuing. Maybe they're making plans for a few generations down the line.
I think a key difference, too, is that there are more people out there who only require a small subset of upgrades to get enough to make Morpheus work. I'm fairly sure I'd basically need to completely refit my PC to reach that target level. To be fair, though, I am about due a big upgrade, so maybe that's not so bad.