Screaming Meat
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Hehheh - cognitive dissonance rules.
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Okay, TeamCG. Come own up to your foolishness. #trolljima
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Hehheh - cognitive dissonance rules.
Mikey Jr.
Member
I would think that the eyes and mouth are the most important parts in determining that.
Fine, I won't pussy out.
#TeamReal.
Fuck you #TeamCG motherfuckers.
There, that should have burned all bridges.
Damon Bennet
Member
Is there a countdown to the keynote? and a stream?
Graphics Horse
Member
Wait for E3!
gwynplaine
Banned
so true, still all in on #teamcg here. evidence is staring people right in the face and they're still saying noooope. way too many inconsistencies that were already apparent and then a lot of good analysis from some smart posters in this thread
Mikey Jr.
Member
I think its at like 11am PST. So thats like 7-ish hours away?
It's a comparison of workflows. The new workflow on the right is completely illegible.
2pm PST would make that 12 hours.
Graphics Horse
Member
That's a bad sign.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Whoops, I mean 11am PST. I had EST on the mind.
http://www.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=the-core-of-mgs-ground-zeroes-20130327
8 hours and 32 minutes
8 hours and 32 minutes
toddhunter
Member
So correct me if I'm wrong, but from following the thread here is a summary of the theories:
Pure Team Real
* This is just an actor wearing bandages and the video was revealing that the phantom pain is running on Fox Engine in a goofy way.
Driven by: Viewer perceptions, the failure of previous technology to achieve such outstanding results, pure hatred.
Pure Team CG
* Joakim is CG rendered by some impressive new technique with the bandages being used to make this easier to pull off.
Driven by: Unusual video elements such as teeth, eyes, bandages around the shirt and talking method. Also the proximity to the GDC photorealistic presentation, belief in Kojima and the kind of shit he would pull. Often belief in general or just plain fun.
Other Theories
* The "Mixture Theory". Some elements are CG, some are not.
Driven By: A combination of the above pure theories. Belief that this represents a new workflow to get assets/motion capture into a game rather than pure CG. Fence sitting.
* The "Delayed Theory". Joakim is real, but will be integrated into the GDC presentation to create a "fake Joakim" using the captured footage or perhaps inserting his eyes and mouths onto an in game model.
Driven By: Compromise between theories and a sense that "something is up" even if you think the video is real. Also, Geoff will have another interview section during the conference which is supposed to be technically focused.
* Joakim is Cliffy B in bandages
Driven By: Recent links between Cliffy B and Kojima, perhaps with him running the US side of Fox engine games.
* Joakim is real, Geoff is CG
Driven By: People not reading through a very long thread to see if a joke has been made a thousand or so times before.
Pure Team Real
* This is just an actor wearing bandages and the video was revealing that the phantom pain is running on Fox Engine in a goofy way.
Driven by: Viewer perceptions, the failure of previous technology to achieve such outstanding results, pure hatred.
Pure Team CG
* Joakim is CG rendered by some impressive new technique with the bandages being used to make this easier to pull off.
Driven by: Unusual video elements such as teeth, eyes, bandages around the shirt and talking method. Also the proximity to the GDC photorealistic presentation, belief in Kojima and the kind of shit he would pull. Often belief in general or just plain fun.
Other Theories
* The "Mixture Theory". Some elements are CG, some are not.
Driven By: A combination of the above pure theories. Belief that this represents a new workflow to get assets/motion capture into a game rather than pure CG. Fence sitting.
* The "Delayed Theory". Joakim is real, but will be integrated into the GDC presentation to create a "fake Joakim" using the captured footage or perhaps inserting his eyes and mouths onto an in game model.
Driven By: Compromise between theories and a sense that "something is up" even if you think the video is real. Also, Geoff will have another interview section during the conference which is supposed to be technically focused.
* Joakim is Cliffy B in bandages
Driven By: Recent links between Cliffy B and Kojima, perhaps with him running the US side of Fox engine games.
* Joakim is real, Geoff is CG
Driven By: People not reading through a very long thread to see if a joke has been made a thousand or so times before.
That's a bad sign.
Depends. Is it blurry because of the focal length, or did they deliberately photoshop it?
I think we need a poll.
Graphics Horse
Member
It means the work flow is hard to understand, making games take longer to produce.
Phonomezer
Banned
Really? I think we need a poll.
Ho wait, where's that post? I voted for TeamCG and one of the reasons was that we couldn't see he's body. goes to look for that post
Graphics Horse
Member
Don't worry, you can join the CG head on real body team.
Always-honest
Banned
What?
Mikey Jr.
Member
Fixed.
Phonomezer
Banned
#TeamReal are so angry.
Always-honest
Banned
Kageshinzo
Member
Fixed that for you.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Right. And that's why #TeamCG has issues.
Phonomezer
Banned
Always-honest
Banned
Phonomezer
Banned
Well it's nice to know #TeamCG and #TeamReal can come together over gifs of little girls.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Phonomezer
Banned
God, not like that, LOL.
Stillmatic
Member
I was more implying the possibility of just simple human error. Something like an object overlooked at the light linking stage.
flipswitch
Member
"You've got to be Joakim!" Kojima's reply to "Is Joakim Mogren running on the Foxengine?."
Just a snippet from his GDC presentation.
Just a snippet from his GDC presentation.
Always-honest
Banned
He forgot to turn the realtime lighting on? Or he forgot that he photoshopped the highlights on? Both are unlikely.
Stillmatic
Member
Not sure if you're familiar with 3D programs? If not check out 'light linking'.
I've put 4 spotlights in the scene with both balls reflecting certain light sources. The possibility of human error on Kojipro's end being simply unchecking the light sources on all other geometry and forgetting/overlooking that eye with all of them on.
I don't know how you'd get that effect in real life. But it was just an observation from the footage.
I'm about to crash out until showtime (presentation is on at 5am here
), so I wont be able to reply after this.Legato.Reborn-
Member
Am I the only person here who has just noticed that about every 2 posts there is someone saying "eat crow" in every thread ever?
WHEN DID THIS START?
WHEN DID THIS START?
Always-honest
Banned
The lights don't stay in the same spot... they don't move much in that little moment, but yes, they move. easy to see. Watch the distance to the edge of the iris.Not sure if you're familiar with 3D programs? If not check out 'light linking'.
I've put 4 spotlights in the scene with both balls reflecting certain light sources. The possibility of human error on Kojipro's end being simply unchecking the light sources on all other geometry and forgetting/overlooking that eye with all of them on.
I don't know how you'd get that effect in real life. But it was just an observation from the footage.
I'm about to crash out until showtime (presentation is on at 5am here
Phonomezer
Banned
This thread is an avian buffet. #TeamReal had better take their seats in 7 hours, they're going to get served.
Anyway to watch this on a phone?
No idea - the only place to stream this I know is Gamespot.
Graphics Horse
Member
On one side of his face, those lights are being obscured by something in the room, I think in the business that's known as shadows. But they're obviously not the primary sources of light so it's not something apparent on the less shiny parts of his face.
bone_and_sinew
breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
I don't think it is CG, and I personally think anyone who thinks it is CG is being ridiculous. HOWEVA, I am secretly (well now openly) rooting for it to be CG because it would be amazing and mindblowing.
sandkiller
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TeamCG is drunk lol