ThreePiMatt
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I'm not exactly sure your broad stereotyping is necessarily helpful to this conversation.
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(ONM) Senran Kagura Burst is damaging the industry - here's how to stop it
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I'm not exactly sure your broad stereotyping is necessarily helpful to this conversation.
I agree, Senran Kagura's reach outside of Japan is so tiny it's barely worth mentioning.
There are much more damaging things out there to focus one's energies on than an obscure anime booby game.
I'm not saying I agree with the person you responded to, particularly since I'm someone who'll probably end up buying this game, but let me explain as best I can. I want to because I think laughing and asking if someone's being serious is pretending there's no rational basis for it, and I don't agree with that.
Someone who surrounds themselves with fantasy depictions of hyper-sexualized, almost inhuman-looking characters with equally bizarre and artificial behaviors is very easy to misunderstand from the outside. Depending on your age, these characters can look a little on the young-side, and nubility is played up to a deliberate level. So much effort is put into fan-servicy focuses that it's easy to make the case that it's at the expense of other elements. To many, that would appear to be a fantasy motivated by either (a) discomfort with normal people and interactions or (b) a wish that normal people and interactions would resemble that bizarre fantasy. I get that. You might notice that this description sounds a whole lot how someone might describe pornography. I think this stuff gets criticized more savagely than pornography by people I'd normally take seriously.
Just as we might enjoy any creative work for different reasons, people are within their rights to question our motivations for liking it. Chances are, a lot of the time they're completely wrong. Others, they may have a point. That's why we need to have this stuff out there: because the reactions and the conversations around it are what influences people over time.
To give an exaggerated example, if I saw someone's Livejournal series of fan-fic stories about the American South rising again and subjugating all blacks, I would think less of them. That's a fantasy at the expense of a group of people, which I think even conceptually is pretty monstrous. Re: the genre of titillating media we're talking about here, many people look at these sorts of depictions in games (and conversely, anime) and feel that it's a fantasy at the expense of women, because it diminishes them to a preposterous point of sexual objectification. This has varying degrees of accuracy, depending on the individual work.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
To be fair, the game at least tries to humanize the characters.
(Good post, Gestault)
(Good post, Gestault)
More sad than creepy. Still an odd way of life nonetheless.
ThreePiMatt
Member
Then the article achieved its goal!
This is a pretty fair assessment.
I admitted to it's worthlessness in an argument, i'd like to keep the head you seem so keen to bite off.
It might be an unproven statement, but it's not an entirely useless observation (it echoes).
No, it isn't
You know what's sad? dismissing a whole group because of a personally held bias.
Ouch!
Ask young girls and women what they think of Akihabara and otaku culture, you'll hear the word "kimoi" (gross) crop up a lot. Weird creepy anime stuff is looked down on as much there as it is here.
Otaku aren't a protected group. If they don't want to seem creepy then maybe instead of doubling down on the oppai they should stop buying this stuff.
Chet Rippo
Member
The Master Plan at work here I see.
If I wanted to bite you, you'd be bit. You made a fact claim, I called you on it, that's all.
Ouch!
Ask young girls and women what they think of Akihabara and otaku culture, you'll hear the word "kimoi" (gross) crop up a lot. Weird creepy anime stuff is looked down on as much there as it is here.
Otaku aren't a protected group. If they don't want to seem creepy then maybe instead of doubling down on the oppai they should stop buying this stuff.
Yes, people should stop buying things they like so that you'll perceive them differently.
They're welcome to buy whatever they want.
The stuff they consume isn't above criticism though.
Well, yeah, of course.
The figure that is so thrown around these days is that 40-45% of so-called gamers are female. If we accept this figure (and I have no reason to doubt it) then that means that 55-60% of gamers are male. Were the majority. If we dont talk about how to fix shit, who will?
Its our house, dudes. And its a freaking mess.
Lets clean it up.
what does this even mean? are you arguing that certain types of games should be censored so that games as a whole appeal to everyone equally?
The fact that this was the first conclusion you reached really says more about you than it does about me.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Yep, that sounds about right lol
chaobreaker
Member
What is there to clean in this case? If the industry is a house then games like Senran Kagura are the dirty mags you keep in a box under your bed. If the house was filled to the brim with dirty mags then there would be a problem.
Are you an expert in Japanese culture, by any chance?Ouch!
Ask young girls and women what they think of Akihabara and otaku culture, you'll hear the word "kimoi" (gross) crop up a lot. Weird creepy anime stuff is looked down on as much there as it is here.
Otaku aren't a protected group. If they don't want to seem creepy then maybe instead of doubling down on the oppai they should stop buying this stuff.
But yeah. Don't judge groups of people by their possessions and social habits man.
Ouch!
Ask young girls and women what they think of Akihabara and otaku culture, you'll hear the word "kimoi" (gross) crop up a lot. Weird creepy anime stuff is looked down on as much there as it is here.
Otaku aren't a protected group. If they don't want to seem creepy then maybe instead of doubling down on the oppai they should stop buying this stuff.
A lot of people think a lot of types of people are "gross." That doesn't mean it's right or fair to look down on them and stereotype them.
Giolon
Member
Ouch!
Ask young girls and women what they think of Akihabara and otaku culture, you'll hear the word "kimoi" (gross) crop up a lot. Weird creepy anime stuff is looked down on as much there as it is here.
Otaku aren't a protected group. If they don't want to seem creepy then maybe instead of doubling down on the oppai they should stop buying this stuff.
Nobody said anything about a protected group? You're broadly characterizing all people who might want to play or even dare to enjoy a game like Senran Kagura with a singular negative stereotype, and you think that's ok?
There's a difference between saying "I think Senran Kagura and games like it are creepy," and saying, "I think that anyone who buys Senran Kagura is a basement dwelling, socially inept manchild."
Ok, Text often has this blunt feeling to it and i'm not really big on forums...
So yeah, fair enough.
Which also applies against your held bias of said people.
which is what?
What's to clean up? It's a niche game made by niche developer for niche audience. What happened to industry, they will exist regardless. If niche represent the majority, oh boy sure we're fucked.
Delusibeta
Banned
ShopTo charges of postage now (or are you not from the UK)?
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Good choice.
Under the massive amounts of life and hometown, the girls can actually potentially give players many feels.
Thats just it though. The dirty magazines are everywhere. Theyre the norm. Everywhere you go youre stepping on Playboy, and Hustler and Penthouse, with barely a Time or hell even a Cosmo in sight.
Im really starting to regret my house metaphor now...
This wouldn't surprise me if true, ShopTo went down the shitter last year for me.
On-topic; This game was already the highest pre-ordered game for 3DS on ShopTo for a little while.
Actionhank
Banned
Ohh not this shit again. That's why I love gaming its so diverse . Why are people so infatuated with one particular art direction. I hate using this argument because its so painfully obvious but " no one is forcing anyone to buy these games" or agree with their art style". It's so annoying, I am for gun control, should I go on a crusade to prevent games with guns from being made because its harmful to society and in the process prevent people from having a choice to buy or not to buy these games.
R_thanatos
Member
Quick opinion.
The blogger need to get out of his home and look at society as a whole.
He'll see that most of his argument are false in context or true in only specific cases making his whole opinion piece void.
Senran kagura is a game , it succeed at what he does , and never goes beyond that. Trying to use the game as an escuse for his own agenda is as ridiculous as the morons complaining that you shouldn't be able to hunt wild animals in video games too ( rdr or GTA5 ). it's ridiculous , plain and simple.
The blogger need to get out of his home and look at society as a whole.
He'll see that most of his argument are false in context or true in only specific cases making his whole opinion piece void.
Senran kagura is a game , it succeed at what he does , and never goes beyond that. Trying to use the game as an escuse for his own agenda is as ridiculous as the morons complaining that you shouldn't be able to hunt wild animals in video games too ( rdr or GTA5 ). it's ridiculous , plain and simple.
I must be looking in the wrong places for reading material in my house.
Outside the UK. But it's the only shop so far that has it up for pre-order.
Thank you, even though I don't know what the last part means.
The Vita game is a lot of fun, so I'm hoping this will be too.
Well, good luck replacing these guys magazine from Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler with Time! That'll make Playboy, Hustler, and Penthouse stop existing right?
Chet Rippo
Member
Nah.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
It's decent and pretty fun so far, my problem with the game is the frame rate.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
No it isn't. Not all games feature T&A, just like all movies and TV don't. Games are not (and never have been) a form of entertainment that is somehow exempt from human nature, or above titillating content. Your suggestion is especially silly considering the demographic that buys games, which is more focused to younger consumers compared to the wider demographic that consume movies and TV.
chaobreaker
Member
From what I understand the Vita game was the point when the series actually had decent gameplay to compliment the life and hometown.
If it bothers you then try creating a society where games featuring young anime girls with massive boobs and gratuitous "upskirt" shots are not considered weird and creepy. Don't moan at me.
If someone doesn't want to seem creepy maybe not buying creepy things would be an idea.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I hate to nitpick since this might be considered a bit of a derail, but I get real tired of hearing how impossible and unrealistic some subset of human beings are. "Real" women come in all shapes and sizes. Body shaming isn't right even if there was only one busty, slim, attractive woman on Earth.
I mean, yeah, I know how exaggerated the actual subjects of this discussion are, but still.
Are you telling girls in animes are drawn to be attractive or the art style is attractive by nature ?
Either way I believe a lot of people find anime girls unattractive.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Seems to me that the best way to get more games with healthier female roles would be to promote games that you find do that well or speak positively about the advantages of doing so/supporting new games that do, etc.
Assuming one actually cares about change and is actually attempting to persuade others, I'd think that they would choose their language more carefully than the author of the article in the OP. The only thing notable in that article is the hyperbole and that the author most likely felt good scratching that self-righteous itch without care for whether he actually presented a good argument aimed towards actually persuading people or getting them to see another viewpoint.
When I see others throwing around insults it's clear that they are more concerned with making themselves feel good than anything else, therefore I find it more or less impossible to take anything they say seriously since they've displayed clear disinterest in discussing the topic sensibly.
Assuming one actually cares about change and is actually attempting to persuade others, I'd think that they would choose their language more carefully than the author of the article in the OP. The only thing notable in that article is the hyperbole and that the author most likely felt good scratching that self-righteous itch without care for whether he actually presented a good argument aimed towards actually persuading people or getting them to see another viewpoint.
When I see others throwing around insults it's clear that they are more concerned with making themselves feel good than anything else, therefore I find it more or less impossible to take anything they say seriously since they've displayed clear disinterest in discussing the topic sensibly.
It's actually pretty fun if you're into beat 'em ups. There's decent room for variation in combos and the characters have pretty diverse play styles.
SousedLouse
Member
Yeah, there is. It's just a negligible, almost insubstantial factor in the post you're replying to. "Lie with dogs, get up with fleas", as the saying goes. No difference between an obsessive player, an ironic player and a player who's just in it for kicks when they're all fucking up (i.e. buying this game, apparently).