Well Sony was originally publishing it so some of the development was already covered I think.
I'm just glad that Capcom can still make AAA games for 2mil unlike EA which wants 5+mil untis minimum or something.
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Ono implies Capcom won't greenlight a AAA game sequel without over 2 million sales
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Well Sony was originally publishing it so some of the development was already covered I think.
I'm just glad that Capcom can still make AAA games for 2mil unlike EA which wants 5+mil untis minimum or something.
GIVE IT TO PLATINUM!
They'll at least do right by the series...
It will be interesting to see the HD collection's sales
If indeed it does, then the series is going to get ported to iOS due to poor 3DS sales.
Real talk, I'm surprised that entire line hasn't gone iOS/Android from day one of release.
Daffy Duck
Member
Please don't kill Dead Rising.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It will be interesting to see the HD collection's sales
If indeed it does, then the series is going to get ported to iOS.
They were satisfied with AA5's sales.
I imagine that, as long as it's easy to port over to iOS at all, they will probably start on 3DS and then get ported to mobile later down the line. It's been a fairly winning strategy for that series already.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yeah don;t know why people are thinking its dead. DmC was hated for known reasons.
DMC 4 did 2.9 million according to Capcom.
I don't want to believe it. I want to believe Itsuno would not take that shit from Capcom
Well, it's mostly driven by how these consoles are built and sold. They are sold as technical juggernauts -- remember "the power of the Cell" and "8GB of RAM" and other such catechisms -- and thus a hugely disproportionate amount of the people who buy these platforms are concerned with presentation. They want games which take advantage of the powerful new system they bought.
This effect produces a constant race-to-the-top that's very difficult to avoid with how consoles are currently made. PC, iOS and Android devices mostly avoid this problem; they may or may not be powerful, but they're primarily sold as convenient, multi-purpose devices which just so happen to be able to play games. This means the audience they tend to attract isn't buying them with the expectation of cutting edge AAA graphics, even if they can technically do it (as PCs often can). This race-to-the-top is built in to the way consoles have been produced and sold for decades.
Jawmuncher
Member
Does this apply to a reboot of Dino Crisis?
Because it better not when we have even bigger gambles like Deep Down.
Because it better not when we have even bigger gambles like Deep Down.
Well, then Capcom should try to do something like KOFXIII for some of their forgotten fighters
It'd actually be cool since KOFXIII is an awesome looking game.ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
The problem with DMC is outside of the base combat and the theme, it has never had a clear direction. You could make an argument that every game in the series has been a reboot on some level.
I don't think the series is on ice, yet, but unless someone comes up with fairly strong ideas of how to take the series forward, while increasing its sales numbers, I can see capcom just not wanting to take the risk.
Leafhopper
Banned
Do they even want to make those though? I heard that they only made DR3 because of MS. I have no idea if that's true though.
I think it's more the thought process of, "if DmC is sitll doing well, why are they rebooting it? Is it just that no one at Capcom wants to make that game like no one at Capcom wants to make a Megaman game?".
I'd guess Itsuno is more interested in having a job. It's not like the video game market in any region is doing terribly well right now.I don't want to believe it. I want to believe Itsuno would not take that shit from Capcom
Real talk, I don't think Capcom has any IP's that any studio heads are passionate about except for Street Fighter and Resident Evil. There's a wealth of stuff there, but if no one wants to make those games, we can't expect Capcom to put something out abritraily, no matter how much clamor there is for sequels.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Well, then Capcom should try to do something like KOFXIII for some of their forgotten fighters
Part of the reason SNK's costs are so low is they have retained 2D artists.
The costs of hiring new ones wouldn't be cheap.
Fair enough but it was also a game with a small dev time so they may not have had time. You know they were itching to do it when Raiden got on that bike.
jk
Seriously though, ppl would probably want Kamiya on it and he has a real hard on for that stuff.
Hehe true.
And that animation count on SG seems highly unnecessary. If you have higher animation counts than 3rd Strike, Garou MOTW and KOFXIII then something is off. You don't need a ton of animation frames to do good animation. They should have just spent that time on making more characters.
Indeed, people should be paying ArcSys whatever they're asking in order to find out how they got Unreal Engine 3 to look so good.
This is Important! I guess Dragon Dogma does have a chance
...I mean no. But, it was pretty good.
If anything, this is what I miss most not only from Capcom, but from a lot of the industry. The mid-level devs are just... gone. :-(
But no, from what Ono is saying and current evidence in industry trends... it doesn't look like that ill happen any time soon.
Cyber Caesar
Member
Well, then Capcom should try to do something like KOFXIII for some of their forgotten fighters
KOFXIII looks much better than SF4 that's for certain.
Gamers proved that they don't give a shit about them.
TheSlySoul
Member
Hopefully so, I can just imagine Capcom cutting costs on the 3DS versions if they do not sell well and going full mobile.
Square-Enix did that with the Vita.
The only AAA publisher I can stand is Ubisoft and because they sometimes take risks (Rayman is a risk in today's gaming culture).
People have been vocal about wanting a new Megaman game and Capcom keeps worry about it not making 2 million dollars.
Honestly, if that game didn't look the way it is, I doubt it's fanbase, myself included, would have been as interested as we are in it.
I understand why you would say that, but Dragon's Dogma 2 is DEFINITELY the sequel we need right now, and the longer we wait, the less potent it will be.
corrosivefrost
Member
Huh... this made me go look up sales for DmC.
I didn't know that as of June 30, 2014 it had sold less than DMC2.
I didn't know that as of June 30, 2014 it had sold less than DMC2.
Linearskillz
Member
They're masterworks all, you can't go wrong.
Also, remember when they wanted to turn Dragon's Dogma into a franchise? Those were the days.
So they should keep making games that lose them money? How is that going to pay for employees and building space. Maybe because I'm a pretty big Megaman fan but I do see that nobody buying these games they pump a lot of money into isnt going to make them money its simple math. They either make a very cheap game that hardcore fans hate and not buy, or make expensive games that the hardcore buys but 99% of the rest of the gaming audience doesnt buy.
They're masterworks all, you can't go wrong.
Also, remember when they wanted to turn Dragon's Dogma into a franchise? Those were the days.
They were always lofty goals.
Remember when Borderlands 2 was going to be an MMO?
Jawmuncher
Member
Huh... this made me go look up sales for DmC.
I didn't know that as of June 30, 2014 it had sold less than DMC2.
Laughing all the way to the bank of neither party probably getting a sequel now.
Capcom really needs to fix how they do things.
Oh yea, Capcom going in for next Ace Attorney game. Full Blown AAA CGI MODELS. PS4 level of graphics. High quality 'Objections',. Over 50 chapters. The Muders are REAL. More Gore than your mother can handle.
alexandros
Banned
I really enjoy your posts Opiate.
Francokid1
Member
So the only hope Dragon's Dogma has is Sony, MS, or Nintendo buying a sequel?
Thats true. I mean, I love my AAA and tiny indy games but I rather have something in-between every once in a while. The funny thing is I honestly prefer to play indy games on my Vita instead of the big screen and don't care too much for the idea of AAA games on handhelds.
Naughty_Doge
Member
Huh... this made me go look up sales for DmC.
I didn't know that as of June 30, 2014 it had sold less than DMC2.
Wasn't DMC2 one of the best selling DMC games?
ShockingAlberto
Member
So, with the past ten years of departures from Capcom, you can kind of start putting together a possible narrative for what game design is like there.
The people who were there because they wanted to make games and not business decisions (your Mikamis, your Kamiyas), eventually get tired of their input not being taken with their games, even after they made major successes. Those that have major successes and wish to move up (like Inafune or Ono) do so and they still had relatively little input on things that moved forward, but were required to act as a brick wall to people like Mikami and Kamiya. Eventually Inafune got beaten down enough by the process that he quit (and had a tell-all interview where he described now hellish working there can be) and I imagine Ono is feeling the same grind. He wants to do more, he just can't.
It seems like the people who are made in to producers eventually just lose their passion because they're never going to get what they want, but have to be in a position of telling everyone below them to fuck off.
I would like to see them do that once. Just once. Go full out Law and Order: The Video Game style.
No seriously though, I'm amazed the ace attorney series isn't iOS exclusive by now.
It makes me wonder when Itsuno is going to leave.
Or them selling the IP.
Ubisoft needs a franchise that they can offset Assassin's Creed with, because next year there will be too much Assassin's Creed stuff out there.
Jawmuncher
Member
TheSlySoul
Member
Yeah, the days of mid-tier seem to be gone for console retail releases. We will never see a Danganronpa on consoles for example. The last AAA game I liked not by Nintendo was probably Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare, which is honestly a fluke in EA's releases this year being a good game. It is hard to get excited about another Assassin's Creed and Left for Dead 3, no wait, Evolved...
Yeah, Capcom did that strategy with Dead Rising and Lost Planet which worked enough to push money into the sequel and got the money back. Both of the 3rd games flopped in sales, but that was because of one thing or another.
I have to question if making the first game in a franchise AAA is even an intelligent move given Titanfall, Watch_Dogs, and Destiny are not doing as well as expected and the biggest new franchise in years, Minecraft, was made on an indie's budget. Seems like the better model would be to make a cheaper first game and then if it does well, raise expectations and budget for it. You know, reasonable expectations.
That's not necessarily how they'd greenlight a sequel though.
Dark Arisen is potentially seen a lot like selling DLC to the same people. Similarly I didn't combine Super Street Fighter onto Street Fighter IV or DR2:OTR onto DR2's total.
I'm pretty sure they already did but MS fronted the bill for DR3. I'm not sure if MS would pay for another.
I honestly wonder if Dark Arisen being a retail release killed any profit it could have made. As an expansion pack, it seemed like a slam dunk. As a standalone, even with the full game...It just didn't make a whole ton of sense.
But Capcom has never been good with this whole online thing.
JordanN
Banned
I totally agree with you. I think Capcom is dead either way.
They bring back their classic franchises and lose money. If they stop releasing other games, they'll still lose money.
I would like to see them go out with a bang and bring back those other IP's.
Fuz
Banned
For god's sake, WHY they won't do a PC version thus selling 2 more million copies?
Publishers are so obutse sometimes.
