-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Phil Spencer: MS will spend money on marketing and developing Rise of the Tomb Raider
- Thread starter CassidyIzABeast
- Start date
Thank you for posting, looks like some fans want to spread FUD with PERMANENT EXCLUSIVE.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Splinter Cell.
DarthWalden
Banned
I really think the deal is still being worked out which is why we cannot get a straight answer and explains things like why originally they said Microsoft was publishing then thar changed to square enix... ms needed a bug announcement for gamescom and they got one but the details are probably still being worked out and the only thing that was agreed upon was exclusivity during the 2015 holidays.
Ok chief.
This is my thought, too. Hopefully the game benefits from all this, development-wise.
I know a lot of people involved with them.
Dragonborn
Member
You're kidding yourself if you think that Phil Spencer doesn't know every detail of their arrangement. He's just trying to shift the blame
Love it.
Piston Hyundai
Member
Some people just take whatever they want out of whatever they read, I guess.
if the title is correct, what makes you think im wrong ?
See, the only way that I can see this deal resulting in a favorable higher revenue report that quarter would be if MS reduced the royalty fee on each copy sold on the Xbox enough so that it would be more than the combined total of all the money they would have made on five platforms (one of which is an open platform). Microsoft paying for part of development would definitely decrease loss resulting in higher net revenue, but that's over a period of time, and its effects would be less noticeable. Seriously, can't wait for the next Square Enix shareholder meeting and for their investors to grill them about this deal.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Smh
He's been throwing them under the bus ever since Tuesday.
Duxxy3
Member
Little confused - he says they are giving SE money to develop tomb raider, but kagari says they don't need money to make the game.
This isn't like Ryse, DR3 and Titanfall where the games would not have hit shelves without the money. So it's either greed, or SE just didn't want to take on all of the cost of another tomb raider by themselves.
This isn't like Ryse, DR3 and Titanfall where the games would not have hit shelves without the money. So it's either greed, or SE just didn't want to take on all of the cost of another tomb raider by themselves.
You're missing the point, he is giving you examples of similar deals, those games went to PC... Not ps4 (or wii u)
Emperor Bohe
Member
I had a random (and perhaps unimportant) thought... Didn't Sony pay for Tomb Raider II exclusivity back in the day so that it didn't also come out for Saturn/N64?
Why ? Do you think SE would that short-sighted ? The TR franchise is closely associated with Playstation and Sony.
This is a timed exclusive hence the emphasis on "holidays 2015" and it will release 6 months later on PS4 and PC.
Robot Pants
Member
What a strange game to invest your money into. Especially since it's not fully exclusive.
Tomb raider isn't THAT big.
Tomb raider isn't THAT big.
You can't be straight with answers when you don't know the specific of the deals and when you have deals you have a gag order clause. Is that really hard for people to understand (I guess I'm giving too much credit to the people of the internet)? Guess what, it's on Xbox One Holiday 2015. That's the only thing we know about it and that's how you should go ahead thinking it until said otherwise.
Megatron
Member
....yet.
Sony Too
Do you understand what nda's are? Big deals like this are nda'ed to hell...he probably can't say anymore. This is how everything works in business especially around valuable ip
You know what, you're right. If I select the 7th letter from every other sentence, shift each of those letters two letters to the right, smash my balls, and then read it backwards he actually does say it's never coming to PS4.
I should have seen it before, I'm sorry.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Similar to what happened with Dead Rising? So that's further hints of a PC release, I guess.
Crisis averted then.
Crisis averted then.
Dragonborn
Member
He was probably a big part of the original vision too. Literally the only reason people love him is because he tweets stuff. I just do t get it
TetraGenesis
Member
Why?
Ohh wow that just makes everything a FACT, and by logical conclusion cancels every possible outcome in which MS resource do help with the TR development.
BTW not needing help, doesn't means you can't have extra resources. That is a logical fallacy lots of people are falling for in this thread.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I guess I am one of the few Xbox One owners that is unimpressed with this. I am all for Microsoft trying to get exclusives for their console but this isn't one that I will play.
TrojanBlade
Member
They must have paid a lot of $$$ to SE for this. Its good to have money to throw around when you are in trouble.
Uncharted vs TR in 2015 ... don't think TR will have a chance against UC. Also this will boost sales for UC as PS4 only owners will get their fix from UC.
Uncharted vs TR in 2015 ... don't think TR will have a chance against UC. Also this will boost sales for UC as PS4 only owners will get their fix from UC.
So maybe it'll end up like Mass Effect and end up on other consoles at the tail-end of the generation after the sequels are out? That'd give it a timed element of exclusivity; the exclusivity window would just be so long it goes from waiting six months to waiting indefinitely.
In any case, it's silly to expect MS to up and say exactly when you'll be able to purchase the thing they're dumping money into trying to their brand on a competitor's console.
In any case, it's silly to expect MS to up and say exactly when you'll be able to purchase the thing they're dumping money into trying to their brand on a competitor's console.
overdrivex
Banned
pc fans its going to be ok.
Litrally Nobody!
you didnt cover developing cost with 4 million copies sold????
How many people worked in the original tomb raider?, because i can even imagine that 4 million copies is not enough, and games like heavy rain (that took at least twice the developing time of tomb raider) with only 1 million copies gets profitable.
This is madness.
No it doesn't. Believe it or not the majority of console gamers probably don't particularly care to investigate if Tomb Raider is a timed exclusive or not beyond the Xbox marketing line. Phil has no incentive to be less vague except pleasing us on GAF.
IIRC something like this happened with Titanfall, confusing interviews, tweets and whatever then one day they announced that Titanfall would be exclusive for the life of the title to Xbox consoles.
So to me, it sounds like it is or at least was timed and they're working right now to make it fully exclusive.
So to me, it sounds like it is or at least was timed and they're working right now to make it fully exclusive.
Chobel
Member
They didn't.
Regret Upon Approval
Member
Regardless of whether they had the funds to develop it, if the deal is sweet enough they'll go with what is more profitable and favourable for them.
As in, if the deal entails a X1+PC exclusive in exchange for MS funding, while SE counts as publisher and receives the sales revenue. In which scenario MS is eating the costs while SE reaps revenue. If the funding is sufficient to for projected PC+X1 sales then it seem natural for SE to agree.
Someone wants to make a business venture with you, they agree to eat the losses and you keep the profit. Whether you needed the help or not, the deal is sweet enough that you'll go with.
As in, if the deal entails a X1+PC exclusive in exchange for MS funding, while SE counts as publisher and receives the sales revenue. In which scenario MS is eating the costs while SE reaps revenue. If the funding is sufficient to for projected PC+X1 sales then it seem natural for SE to agree.
Someone wants to make a business venture with you, they agree to eat the losses and you keep the profit. Whether you needed the help or not, the deal is sweet enough that you'll go with.
Final Boss
Banned
I'm sure the SE press team is working on a statement clarifying everything as we speak
Actually, the link makes it clear it could hit PC/360, it does not make it clear if it could hit PS4 that is an assumption. If DR3 is the comparison expecting a similar release would not be a stretch.
Always-honest
Banned
I'd say that is a waste of money. Spend that money on struggling talented devs who will give you a true exclusive.
That's what the xboxone needs. Not a timed exclusive.
That's what the xboxone needs. Not a timed exclusive.