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Pokemon Sun/Moon Special Demo Thread
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Geminosity
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My only major complaints with the demo are:
* Greninja is OP
* I really wish we could've had one of the new mons in the demo instead of being forced to hold on to only the frog-meister, like in ORAS's demo you got to choose a starter and even evolve it one stage.
* Multi-hit moves are torturous. I wish they'd speed it up instead of doing each attack as it's own full animation, pausing for a second after then doing it again (up to a max of 5 times @.@ ) I appreciate they're trying to go for some kind of tension but... yeah... it feels like it's just wasting my time more often than not
Otherwise it was kinda fun. I actually get some odd Phantasy Star Online vibes from some of the music and the increasing level of tech in these games. Wonder if we'll ever end up with a Pokemon game based in space? XD
* Greninja is OP
* I really wish we could've had one of the new mons in the demo instead of being forced to hold on to only the frog-meister, like in ORAS's demo you got to choose a starter and even evolve it one stage.
* Multi-hit moves are torturous. I wish they'd speed it up instead of doing each attack as it's own full animation, pausing for a second after then doing it again (up to a max of 5 times @.@ ) I appreciate they're trying to go for some kind of tension but... yeah... it feels like it's just wasting my time more often than not
Otherwise it was kinda fun. I actually get some odd Phantasy Star Online vibes from some of the music and the increasing level of tech in these games. Wonder if we'll ever end up with a Pokemon game based in space? XD
Pokemon has become over-complicated in many ways imo. Who really knows all the type charts by heart? Who bothers to learn them unless they're getting into competitive play? Challenge and drawing players in doesn't come from obtuse and intricate systems that don't make much logical sense. Especially when you can have pokemon that look like one type but are really another.
Great addition to just spell out if a move is effective or not. Will drastically cut down on the tediousness of battles as well as remove the times I accidentally hit a pokemon I want to catch with a super effective move and KO it. It will honestly probably help you learn the type matchups as well.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Sadly this seems to be the way modern game design is headed. The focus is generally switching to stuff that keeps players playing than anything else, and the core of that are an increased emphasis on focusing on those mechanics that make players feel psychologically good, like collecting things, ticking off boxes from tasks and rewarding actions by levelling up stats. So a game can be fundamentally shallow and ask nothing from its players but the players won't really notice that they are in the trappings of the Skinner Box.
I don't think Pokémon is a good example of this, though.
Starwolf_UK
Member
The thing about the type charts is I'd prefer it as follows:
-The info is actually in-game and easily accessible (in-game you might a few NPCs that if all pieced together tell you half the story about types). It's been absent for the manual for generations which comes across as crazy.
-For it to be more of a goal to work towards. Caught Pokemon=all typing info otherwise it is based on what you've used vs. it. It seems silly I can KO an electric type with a Dark type move and next battle somehow know flying is not very effective vs. it.
A thing I noticed in my education is the higher level I got the more info was available to me during the exam as it had gone from learning the basics to "here are the tools use them wisely" though I'm not sure how you put that into a video game. Usually adding more systems to battle is how RPGs do it.
I'm also wondering how battle spot handles it. Will you just know the types for Pokemon you have not seen in-game? Especially as it seems many VGC players use smurf games (when you see few Pokemon caught or hatched stats...I also think there was one case of 0 hall of fame entries) so they may not have seen everything (though I know the Pokemon caught stat doesn't count transferring to and from Bank).
-The info is actually in-game and easily accessible (in-game you might a few NPCs that if all pieced together tell you half the story about types). It's been absent for the manual for generations which comes across as crazy.
-For it to be more of a goal to work towards. Caught Pokemon=all typing info otherwise it is based on what you've used vs. it. It seems silly I can KO an electric type with a Dark type move and next battle somehow know flying is not very effective vs. it.
A thing I noticed in my education is the higher level I got the more info was available to me during the exam as it had gone from learning the basics to "here are the tools use them wisely" though I'm not sure how you put that into a video game. Usually adding more systems to battle is how RPGs do it.
It seems to be and I get same vibe of this feels intrusive. Then again I'm one who likes ambient noises in games. Maybe the trainer can get some headphones or something to only listen to music.
It's more like first encounter, no info. After that all info even on moves you've not used.
I'm also wondering how battle spot handles it. Will you just know the types for Pokemon you have not seen in-game? Especially as it seems many VGC players use smurf games (when you see few Pokemon caught or hatched stats...I also think there was one case of 0 hall of fame entries) so they may not have seen everything (though I know the Pokemon caught stat doesn't count transferring to and from Bank).
Geminosity
Member
Seems there's some special timed encounters you can have in the demo. There's no reward for them outside of just seeing some extra content I guess.
Day time
Alolan Dugtrio - talk to a girl near the beach on the Ten Carat Hill
Night Time
Lillie - outside of pokecentre near the tree
Hau - (Sundays only) go to restaurant.
Note that these turning up apparently has some kind of random chance element to it every time you enter the area. If you're super determined you can repeatedly leave and enter the area (switching between ten caret hill and town) or soft-reset the demo (L+R+Start+Select) until they turn up
Day time
Alolan Dugtrio - talk to a girl near the beach on the Ten Carat Hill
Night Time
Lillie - outside of pokecentre near the tree
Hau - (Sundays only) go to restaurant.
Note that these turning up apparently has some kind of random chance element to it every time you enter the area. If you're super determined you can repeatedly leave and enter the area (switching between ten caret hill and town) or soft-reset the demo (L+R+Start+Select) until they turn up
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I think I feel more offended you compared a type chart, something typical to rpgs that even outright spells weaknesses and stuff, to a puzzle game. Strengths and weaknesses aren't puzzles.
It doesn't make the game any less difficult or not. It doesn't make the game less challenging. Ignoring the google comment, you might as well just write down what works and what doesn't, and it still doesn't change that what happened is merely a convenience, which I was getting at with TMs.
I mean, this complaint really feels like it belongs to the multiplayer scene, and even then at that point you probably already know how the match ups work because you most likely have a mon that built up moves to counter its weaknesses and such.
I'll give you this though - they better not tell whether an ability negates the attack or not. Considering that it's strictly showing super/neutral/ineffective, I hope it stays on that level.
which is like how the new game works
to which I say, at that point, you already know what type said specific pokemon is
nah just a comment
wrong analogy, and again, comparing a fucking type chart to a puzzle
Rock Paper Scissors matching barely takes up brain power though. This isn't Civilization.
You need to fight the pokemon first. At that point you already have it in your dex regardless whether you have caught it or not.
I think the problem is judging it squarely on single player.
It's a nice demo. I hope the writing is a bit more interesting in the final game. Probably not. But the world itself is lovely, the new analog controls feel great, the trainer introductions are hype as hell, riding Tauros and destroying boulders is fun, etc. I can only imagine that the full game will be an absolute joy to play.
Also, Ash-Greninja is pretty damn cool. The transformation and powered-up Water Shuriken look awesome.
Also, Ash-Greninja is pretty damn cool. The transformation and powered-up Water Shuriken look awesome.
I'm so sick of the handholding. Whenever an NPC pops up and tells me to follow them I want to throw my 3DS. It's been an epidemic since Gen V, and it looks like it's only getting worse this gen. The handholding really ruined ORAS too.
Remember when the main character was an antisocial hermit? With only occasional rival encounters? Can we go back to that?
Remember when the main character was an antisocial hermit? With only occasional rival encounters? Can we go back to that?
balladofwindfishes
Member
How complex does this new move helper thing get, though
Will it tell me Earthquake is super effective against Gengar? Or Gardevoir's Hyper Voice is super effective against a dragon? Or Freeze Dry on Water types?
No, I remember when the (non-optional) tutorial of the game caused the single most well known bug in Pokemon.
I don't remember the Pokemon games you're talking about. They don't exist. There have been NPCs that take over control of the character since the first game. The first hour of Gen II has to be some of the most tedious back and forths in Pokemon history.
Will it tell me Earthquake is super effective against Gengar? Or Gardevoir's Hyper Voice is super effective against a dragon? Or Freeze Dry on Water types?
No, I remember when the (non-optional) tutorial of the game caused the single most well known bug in Pokemon.
I don't remember the Pokemon games you're talking about. They don't exist. There have been NPCs that take over control of the character since the first game. The first hour of Gen II has to be some of the most tedious back and forths in Pokemon history.
Aaronrules380
Member
we don't know since none of those are in the demo
PadWarrior
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Spiral Insanity
Banned
He looks cool, but humanoid pokemon freak me out a little. Greninja looks like he should be able to be free, talk, and acts on his own free will.
Tame Deity
Member
The policeman at the Marina says something is going down in 18 days, any ideas on what this might be?
Shadow Broker
Banned
Got 10 pretty wings today from the guy just outside the Pokémon center.
How do I get Alolan Dugtrio girl to appear in the beach?
I've done everything so far.
How do I get Alolan Dugtrio girl to appear in the beach?
I've done everything so far.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
Played the demo. It´s cool. Had it pre-ordered already before.
There´s is just one thing that legit annoys me and has been annoying me since, i don´t know, forever? That overly friendly "rival". Friendship, friendly competition, helping me out. Get fucked, i don´t wanna be your friend.
Give me a rival that i´m supposed to dislike for once. I can remember Gary in RBY and maybe the one in Silver/Gold. But since then it´s been annoying me. Especially X&Y, good lord. A whole group of nerds that wanna be my friends, i don´t even remember any of your names and i played through the game last month.
/rant
Hope it´s less in Sun&Moon.
There´s is just one thing that legit annoys me and has been annoying me since, i don´t know, forever? That overly friendly "rival". Friendship, friendly competition, helping me out. Get fucked, i don´t wanna be your friend.
Give me a rival that i´m supposed to dislike for once. I can remember Gary in RBY and maybe the one in Silver/Gold. But since then it´s been annoying me. Especially X&Y, good lord. A whole group of nerds that wanna be my friends, i don´t even remember any of your names and i played through the game last month.
/rant
Hope it´s less in Sun&Moon.
Plus the fact that Hau was smiling after being chased by Team Skull leaves me to believe that he's an idiot.
Ah well Gladion looks to be a better rival like character instead.
casey_contra
Member
I still can't get over the INCREDIBLE animation. Team Skull is the greatest - I love it.
I've said this on reddit and other threads, but after this demo I am 100% convinced we'll see Pokemon (Eclipse or otherwise) on the NX. Feels kind of like Smash 3DS in a weird way.
I've said this on reddit and other threads, but after this demo I am 100% convinced we'll see Pokemon (Eclipse or otherwise) on the NX. Feels kind of like Smash 3DS in a weird way.
WrenchNinja
Member
Yeah water shuriken still looks lameMy only major complaints with the demo are:
* Greninja is OP
* I really wish we could've had one of the new mons in the demo instead of being forced to hold on to only the frog-meister, like in ORAS's demo you got to choose a starter and even evolve it one stage.
* Multi-hit moves are torturous. I wish they'd speed it up instead of doing each attack as it's own full animation, pausing for a second after then doing it again (up to a max of 5 times @.@ ) I appreciate they're trying to go for some kind of tension but... yeah... it feels like it's just wasting my time more often than not
Otherwise it was kinda fun. I actually get some odd Phantasy Star Online vibes from some of the music and the increasing level of tech in these games. Wonder if we'll ever end up with a Pokemon game based in space? XD
You would think that since they're trying take from the anime they'd at least try to make it look cool
https://youtu.be/Mx1Ln1D816w
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Ahh I figured it now.
I guess what they mean by "package version" and "download version" is retail/card version and the download version.
I guess what they mean by "package version" and "download version" is retail/card version and the download version.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
Lol, yeah. Why´s he grinning like an idiot. (probably because he is one, like you said).
But the Team Skull leader lady looks neat and their theme is cool, so it got that going for it.
Anyone got this video?
Geminosity
Member
Important bit in the last paragraph:
Hope that helps
Haha XD
Maybe his job as rival in this will be dragging trouble to you
They've moved away from the nemesis rival trope according to a recent interview with Masuda. You'll have to replay something from gen 1 or 2 for that fix.
Aveyn Knight
Member
Dunno if it helps, but I found Lillie immediately after changing the day to Friday. Not sure if that was just good luck or something.
Maybe you'll have better luck finding Dugtrio on a certain day?
Maybe you'll have better luck finding Dugtrio on a certain day?
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
+ Team Skull is hilariously dumb in a great way.
- I saw a Pelipper in the ending trailer.
- I saw a Pelipper in the ending trailer.
Geminosity
Member
Nope, some of the opponent trainers will have it and it turns up in the trails where you can't capture them but the capture is apparently limited to just pikipek, rockruff, trumpgoose and pikachu from what I've heard. Could be wrong but I saw the first 3 myself almost entirely when I was doing my 17 capture run
If you have the opposing Pokémon registered in the dex, and at least already used a X attack on a Y-typed pokémon once, I'm fine with those details appearing on screen.
With >1000h on Pokémons, there's still weaknesses I don't remember, and I surely don't remember all 800 typings... I either have to play with a dex (which is inconvenient, even with a phone) or using attacks partly randomly, which isn't more satisfying.
I don't think saying that a given attack will work better than on average is that an important clue (you can easily discover it yourself easily). I'd say that with 4 moves per mon, the most important strategic choices are done when you select the moves (and the mons) to improve coverage...
Geminosity
Member
Not watched these myself as I don't want to spoil it for myself but these should be the vids (the 1 day event is not included):
5th day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7YKCoRL_o
12th day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBauafH2Yxw
18th day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBc6Mo7skyU
24th day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzNC6QAEAvg
xKilltheMx
Member
I missed it in this giant thread, is there anything that transfers over to the final game from this demo?
talk to the professor in the pokemon center, you can transfer several things, included the ash-greninja.
Yeah, remembering typing weaknesses is as fun and pointless as memorizing pi from the 10th digit onwards so I don't see what the fuss is about.
younglink7
Member
Were you playing on a "new" 3DS/XL or old 3DS/XL? I played on the old and noticed the slowdown, and I was wondering if upgrading would do anything for it.
I didn't notice any obvious slowdowns in the demo on my N3DSXL, but the FPS tanks like crazy when during battle in X/Y whenever me and my opponent pokemon are placed side by side on the screen.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Important bit in the last paragraph:
Hope that helps
Haha XD
Maybe his job as rival in this will be dragging trouble to you
Thanks for the reply. I've been going back and forth for a half hour already and nothing yet.
Woah I didn't know that you can actually encounter the Dugtrio in the demo ! I'll try this.
On the rival talking point...
I'm perfectly fine with a friend like Hau during your journey. However, I feel having that alongside a Blue/Silver esque rival is the best route. I feel like XY's would've been fine if every single one of them wasn't trying to be my best friend. Throw some different personalities in there and you're golden.
I'm perfectly fine with a friend like Hau during your journey. However, I feel having that alongside a Blue/Silver esque rival is the best route. I feel like XY's would've been fine if every single one of them wasn't trying to be my best friend. Throw some different personalities in there and you're golden.
SuperPac
Member
I am a casual Pokémon fan. I've enjoyed the games since the first one but never actually finished one until X/Y - and it was largely because of the tools in that game that made things a heck of a lot easier and removed a lot of the tedium.
The change to the attack menu showing what's effective and not is an AMAZING addition that I love because I'm 39 years old and I'm not going to memorize the attack/type strengths and weaknesses (maybe individual Pokemon type, sure, but not down to the attack level). Providing that level of detail to me is going to make this game a LOT more enjoyable to me.
The demo only solidified my hype for this game. I have not been following leaks or videos past the initial announcement.
The change to the attack menu showing what's effective and not is an AMAZING addition that I love because I'm 39 years old and I'm not going to memorize the attack/type strengths and weaknesses (maybe individual Pokemon type, sure, but not down to the attack level). Providing that level of detail to me is going to make this game a LOT more enjoyable to me.
The demo only solidified my hype for this game. I have not been following leaks or videos past the initial announcement.
Geminosity
Member
Yeah, I've never been a fan of content like this being locked behind a dice roll. Kind of like how I'll often reset my game repeatedly to get a female starter so I can breed them without having to wait until I unlock something like the friend safari
I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it an 'encounter'. More that you just get to see it
Well... I used to know the first 1000 digits of pi, and found that fun when I was young, and I'm still happy that I don't have to keep a table at hand anymore
Is Ash-Greninja a demo-only thing? I'm really not interested in demos, but if there's exclusives there, I may reconsider :/
ChemicalCutthroat
Member
I just wrapped up the Demo, and while short, I certainly enjoyed everything they showcased. Just my notes, which I'm sure overlap with others...
+Animation is excellent. Everything looks great, other than a little fuzzy on some close ups, but I expect that on handhelds to some degree.
+The music is ON POINT. I loved all of it. It has an energy that I really enjoyed.
+Move type reminders. The little tags that tell you what move is useful against what type of critter, while unnecessary to a lot of us old hats, can be a nice reminder when coming up against things you don't see too often.
+Photos. Silly, but any throwback to Pokemon Snap makes me happy. I just hope that it is a little more involved than in the demo.
-Slow combat. Some of the moves drag on the combat a bit.
-Screen judder. I'm on a New 3DSXL and still had some frame stutters in combat here and there.
I'm really looking forward to all the other new stuff they add. This month is going to take forever, thank god that CivVI comes out this week.
+Animation is excellent. Everything looks great, other than a little fuzzy on some close ups, but I expect that on handhelds to some degree.
+The music is ON POINT. I loved all of it. It has an energy that I really enjoyed.
+Move type reminders. The little tags that tell you what move is useful against what type of critter, while unnecessary to a lot of us old hats, can be a nice reminder when coming up against things you don't see too often.
+Photos. Silly, but any throwback to Pokemon Snap makes me happy. I just hope that it is a little more involved than in the demo.
-Slow combat. Some of the moves drag on the combat a bit.
-Screen judder. I'm on a New 3DSXL and still had some frame stutters in combat here and there.
I'm really looking forward to all the other new stuff they add. This month is going to take forever, thank god that CivVI comes out this week.