wesleyshark
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After the One S, this would be expected.
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Same team made the OG Xbox One tho haha.
But that was because if a crazy deadline.
Steverulez
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I dont let them have a pass on this, they had 8 years between 360 and XB1, there was no crazy deadline, only their own shitty project management. The S is a move in the right direction though
gaming_noob
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Before this goes any further, in the same tweet chain he mentions he doesn't know either way.
He mentions there will be one "huge" announcement and "plenty of surprises". Not sure if he means hardware, features or games.
get2sammyb
Member
Because again, who's going to make games for it as a next-gen? You mentioned a (singular) third-party moneyhat and Microsoft itself. So, you're looking at four or five titles that will take full advantage of it as next-gen hardware. Everything else will leverage it just like the PS4 Pro, just marginally better.
Microsoft is not in a position where it can force a new generation, especially not when there are 50 million PS4s and 30 million Xbox Ones already out there.
get2sammyb
Member
Why doesn't he just tell everyone what he knows? The teasing gets kinda old, and his name's already attached to the rumour. He may as well just put everything on the table at this point.
Me neither tbf. From a business perspective, it's really important to AMD for getting buy-in from one of their largest semi-custom buyers for their new architectures.
If Ryzen is announced for Scorpio, expect AMD's share price to bump up.
sems4arsenal
Member
Good point, but I see five major titles plus VR as better than nothing. Granted these exclusives will play on PC which will negate the point but I feel it will have a better chance then.
Yeah agree. It also looks like it will be $499. I think is a smart move from MS. At least build brand reputation back with a beast and get the HC base on your side
gaming_noob
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I think he's just respecting the contract agreement between MS and the unknown website that will reveal some info soon.
wesleyshark
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MosquitoSmasher
Member
Exactly man. There's even a chance more people that want the multiplats will actually buy Scorpio for it if it's significantly more powerful than pro. What even would be the point of waiting a full year if it's not going to be above Pro by a great deal?
Hopefully we hear something official from MS soon though, you'd think they would let the people know via Major Nelson at least.
Terbinator
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The issue is that being more power efficient and having to fit in a specific thermal envelope are two separate things.
Larogue
Member
Tomorrow probably
I think Spencer and other MS representatives have been too public about no exclusives to backtrack now. Sure diehard fans wouldn't care but the general market reaction would likely be negative.
The XBOX division would be in the position of straight up lying in their earlier statements and big Scorpio exclusives would immediately raise question mark over buying an Xbox One and not getting specific games.
I think for at least first 12 months they're going to have to commit to promises made regarding no exclusives (I suspect VR games may be the exception to the rule here though).
Interested to see what MS has, but I think even with the boost to GPU they'll continue to use Jaguar to keep the overall console cost down to $400. Also betting on no console reveal at the event and will hold off on that till E3. They'll show off a ton of in-development games as well as section showing standard X1 games with framerate/graphical/resolution improvements.
Bl@de
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Puma
If there is a new CPU that leads me to believe Microsoft has planned it out smartly as a cheap next gen console to go against a PS5 while still having an Xbox 5 in their pocket. A Jaguar Scorpio is not a long game option, something new can keep up even a few years down the road and the cherry on top, it will be a cheap SKU by the time a PS5 comes out. That's pretty clever because as Sony goes PS5 games only with full PS4 BC on one console, Microsoft have a cheap Scorpio for Xbox 5 games and full Xbox One BC at half the price of a PS5 while having an Xbox 5 console still to release as the premium option.
Xbox One/S - Drop support in 2019/20
Xbox One Scorpio - Launch 2017
Xbox Scorpio 5 - Cheap Slim Edition/Rebrand as Xbox 5 compatible
Xbox 5 - On the same level or above a PS5
Xbox One/S - Drop support in 2019/20
Xbox One Scorpio - Launch 2017
Xbox Scorpio 5 - Cheap Slim Edition/Rebrand as Xbox 5 compatible
Xbox 5 - On the same level or above a PS5
NavyPharaoh
Member
What?? That's Xbox's biggest problem lately. The exclusive lineup isn't very diverse.
Tease some games. Having the most powerful console in the world means nothing without games. The most powerful console hasn't won since SNES. I'm praying MS doesn't just think having the best multi-plats is going to solve its problems. Tease or show at least one new piece of software.
Shifty Capone1
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I'd say to an extent people discount the hardcore crowd when it comes to hardware. There are a decent amount of people like me who will just buy the best thing that is currently out. Gaming is one of my biggest hobbies, so I want to have the best and have no brand loyalty besides where friends are. I am super excited for Scorpio so I can play Destiny 2 on the best console with friends. I wish I had more friends on PC and hackers were not a constant issue.
As you said though it needs to be above the pro by a good margin to really take a foothold. Tons of people have said it already in this thread, but Microsoft's goal here is power not necessarily wide spread adoption. I'm thinking a $499 price point with better specs than what was leaked. At least that's my hope.
It is. It just lacks Japanese games.
mejin
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But we can't judge MS actions based on what Sony did for PS4. They'll certainly do something different. That's for sure.
If it will be good or not, that's a discussion for later.
mejin
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Which is a lot. Japanese developers have a huge impact on diversity.
Sure. Doesnt mean the line up isnt diverse. Its just different. MS just released a RTS and are coming with a MMO and a coop survival game.
The full console exclusive line-up has actually been pretty diverse. They have more in certain genres than Sony/PlayStation has this gen. They just can't compete when it comes to RPGs.
A huge portion of today's popular games are multiplatform and Xbox will have many of them so I would say it still means something regardless of exclusives.
The PS4 is currently the most powerful console and its winning. Closest gen since the SNES gen in sales when it comes to North America but worldwide it's basically 2:1.
Microsoft knows that having the best multiplats aren't going to solve all of their problems. Having that though DID help their dominance during the previous generation in the territories that the console brand is relevant in. That alongside new console brand exclusive games should help. I don't see Scorpio as them wanting to gain worldwide dominance -- it seems more about them wanting to get back to being really dominant in North America and U.K..
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I don't understand this -- especially as it blatantly goes against what MS did in 2005 with them having a full year head start and the original Xbox getting slaughtered in sales far more than XB1 vs. PS4.
Everything will seemingly be scalable/compatible from here on out when it comes to Xbox platforms so they can't do a "true next gen" console in that sense, but they could definitely go away from the Xbox One brand with the Scorpio if they wanted to. It would honestly be smarter in my opinion; And if we are to believe Microsoft's statements, then every Xbox from here on out will be an Xbox One due to compatibility anyway.
MosquitoSmasher
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Yep that's exactly how I see it too, but I also really just prefer Xbox when it comes to most things. Wasn't the reason the majority of people bought PS4 over X1 that it simply was more powerful and of course MS' own message didn't exactly help. It all remains to be seen how big the differences will be in all these upcoming games, but if it's a clear difference I bet there will be enough people changing their main system choice for the multiplatform games.
Maybe Scorpio can have most games at Native 4K while Pro has the checkerboard technique. But if that's all, is that enough for people to get Scorpio over Pro? According to DF it's hard to see the difference between checkerboard and Native 4K. Maybe if the Scorpio games have a better visual fidelity as well, that could make a bigger splash perhaps. We'll see.
mejin
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MS is too much oriented toward US market I'd say. Playstation lineup has a worldwide feel since it has games from every corner of the planet. Maybe that's why people always think MS lacks diversity in their lineup.
MosquitoSmasher
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For damn sure, but maybe that can change. Phil did recently tweet that Japanese games would be coming to Xbox and that he was aware that he said this before. I really hope to see improvement in this.
Will be interesting "how much" they show.
I believe we all remember the PS4 console annoucement where we only saw a controller and no console ;-)
Games will obviously be at E3 but open is still
* console itself (casing)
* hardware details
* OS (rumored to be a slightly altered UI)
* price
* launch date
* "new killer feature"
I believe we all remember the PS4 console annoucement where we only saw a controller and no console ;-)
Games will obviously be at E3 but open is still
* console itself (casing)
* hardware details
* OS (rumored to be a slightly altered UI)
* price
* launch date
* "new killer feature"
R
Rösti
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Considering how they have marketed the hardware, I would be astonished if they don't present a tech demo during the reveal.
I'm going to assume "I want to play multiplats on the strongest console" is still a thing, and wasn't just fanboy rhetoric.
LukasTaves
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It's not diverse to people that don't know the exclusive/console exclusive games and think it's all halo gears and Forza.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Definitely a thing. Sony's exclusives look way more appealing to me, but I would consider a Scorpio for multiplats.
So what? At least the OG XB1 was very quiet and very reliable.
Magic Mushroom
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I would't call that luck. It's a good strategy.
just got lucky??
JetBlackPanda
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You mean release strategy? Lol luck... how did these games just end up exclusive on PS4? We don't know it's all luck.
Jaguar Victory
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There is no way in hell they use the same CPU they used 4 years ago.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Oh I would love to have Nier Automata on Xbox One, but also more JRPGs. I know it's not gonna happen soon if ever but what about Ni No Kuni 2? It is coming to PC so bring it to Xbox as well you know? Then there's Persona and so on. Should be interesting to see what Japanese games we're getting.
If all it needs to do is run Xbox One games in 4K then I don't see why it needs a different CPU.
Please no.
I meant that they coul'd have done the same thing and have the games score 85's...always a luck factor involved to get 4 of them at once over 90.
They worked hard for that shot though. I guess was a poor choice of words lol, didnt want to belittle Sony.
It's not that Sony has more diversity, is also that that diversity in the Japanese games brings also top notch quality and scores over 90
They worked hard for that shot though. I guess was a poor choice of words lol, didnt want to belittle Sony.
It's not that Sony has more diversity, is also that that diversity in the Japanese games brings also top notch quality and scores over 90
Explain.
Mixolydian
Member
Something tells me he was referring to the actual size and not specs.