LookAtMeGo
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Thats an odd variable. So its taking longer but it doest count because they are collecting things, so its actually shorter?. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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TheChocolateWar
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I'm not promoting doing that, just explaining what the other guy was saying. Although it does seem slightly hypocritical of some people to bash other games for padding and fetch quests, and then claim it to be an integral part of the game here. I, myself, will probably be able to beat the game in ten or so hours based on all I am hearing, which seems sufficient to me.
@letmego: nah, just that this new player is doing it in faster time than playmethrough all things considered equal.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
That's the thing, we now have sources like YouTube and Twitch for all to see so there is no hiding any more. It also makes game developers nervous because of spoilers too. Look at how far we've come where we have those who would rather sit down and watch for hours instead of buying the game. I used to do this at the arcade when I was young but that was because I was mesmerized at how good they were with games like Virtua Fighter.
Officerrob
Banned
Seems kinda ridiculous that
there are chapters that are just 100% cutscene. Just seems like a way to inflate the number of chapters
Nah they're useful separated out like that. Those chapters become the only cut scenes you can skip on subsequent plays.
Yep. Not to mention some of them are just 10+ mins long each.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
What's ridiculous exactly? Since when has the number of chapters ever meant anything in a game? You always have games where chapters are more action-filled, longer or whatever else than the others.
Tainted
Member
This is why HLTB breaks up the times into separate categories. Different people will always have different ideas on what constitutes game-time.
I fall somewhere in the middle...if I come across a collectible I will always pick it up and listen, look at or whatever....but I rarely go actively seeking them out
So based on this....I think I would complete 1886 in about 6-7 hrs (also based on dying a fair bit more than the streamer)
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Eh, they've talked before how much they are focused on story and selling the game as a cinematic thing, don't really see the problem with it.
BackBackPunch
Member
I posted this in the other thread, but its probably more appropriate here...
Why didn't anyone complain about Halo 1 and its 5 hour campaign with 45 minutes of cut scenes?
I'd honestly like to know why it got a free pass yet 1886 is held to some different standard.
Why didn't anyone complain about Halo 1 and its 5 hour campaign with 45 minutes of cut scenes?
I'd honestly like to know why it got a free pass yet 1886 is held to some different standard.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
17, apparently, including the prologue. Using the chapter breakdowns dragonbane posted in the other thread I've calculated the 5.5 hour YouTuber's percentage of overall playtime per chapter (including both gameplay and cutscenes):
Chapter/minutes/%/cumulative
P 12.27 / 3.8% / 3.8%
1 29.22 / 8.9% / 12.7
2 16.32 / 5% / 17.7
3 46 / 14% / 31.7
4 24.25 / 7.4% / 39.1
5 34.11 / 10.4% / 49.5
6 7.32 / 2.2% / 51.7
7 6.41 / 2% / 53.7
8 21.37 / 6.5% / 60.2
9 43.07 / 13.2% / 73.4
10 4.07 / 1.2% / 74.6
11 44.15 / 13.5% / 88.1
12 5.36 / 1.6% / 89.7
13 5.11 / 1.6% / 91.3
14 5.36 / 1.6% / 92.9
15 10.48 / 3.2% / 96.1
16 9.23 / 2.8% / 98.9 (1.1% lost due to rounding errors etc)
Total: 326.50 minutes
P 12.27 / 3.8% / 3.8%
1 29.22 / 8.9% / 12.7
2 16.32 / 5% / 17.7
3 46 / 14% / 31.7
4 24.25 / 7.4% / 39.1
5 34.11 / 10.4% / 49.5
6 7.32 / 2.2% / 51.7
7 6.41 / 2% / 53.7
8 21.37 / 6.5% / 60.2
9 43.07 / 13.2% / 73.4
10 4.07 / 1.2% / 74.6
11 44.15 / 13.5% / 88.1
12 5.36 / 1.6% / 89.7
13 5.11 / 1.6% / 91.3
14 5.36 / 1.6% / 92.9
15 10.48 / 3.2% / 96.1
16 9.23 / 2.8% / 98.9 (1.1% lost due to rounding errors etc)
Total: 326.50 minutes
So it looks like you can expect to be halfway done with the game around the end of chapter 5, and three-quarters of the way done around the end of chapter 9. If there are going to be significant variations in playtime it's quite likely that they'll show up in the early chapters simply because that's where the majority of the gameplay is.
SunBroDave
Member
Devil's advocate: doesn't it seem like the exact opposite is also true to a degree, that a lot of people just don't seem to want to believe that the game can be between 5-6 hours long?
Because Halo doesn't put all its eggs in the "Story" basket.
They are concerned.
I beat the original Resident Evil in less than 7 hours when it came out. I bought it again at full price on the Gamecube and then I bought it a 3rd time on the PS4 a few weeks ago.
I beat Vanquish in less than 7 hours. I would kill for a sequel.
Regardless of the length of 1886, if the quality is there, if the story pushes the right buttons, it's less important if it's 5 hours or 15 hours. Most 20+ hour games these days resort to the mechanics of retracing existing levels to completely a goal far too much, so if 1886 just puts you on a path and tells you a story, I think that's fine, regardless of the time it takes to get there.
I beat Vanquish in less than 7 hours. I would kill for a sequel.
Regardless of the length of 1886, if the quality is there, if the story pushes the right buttons, it's less important if it's 5 hours or 15 hours. Most 20+ hour games these days resort to the mechanics of retracing existing levels to completely a goal far too much, so if 1886 just puts you on a path and tells you a story, I think that's fine, regardless of the time it takes to get there.
loaf of bread
Member
Guys if you take out the time from cutscenes, the time spent viewing collectibles, the time loading, the time reloading the gun, the time jumping over cover, the time not spent actively firing the gun, the time not spent getting a kill, and the time spent standing still, The Order is only 2 and a half minutes long! Everyone make sure to use this as the new standard play through time when debating!
Officerrob
Banned
I played Halo multiplayer for years
OneEyeTwoHead
Banned
I find it incredibly weird you're doing all this "game-math" and know length of times for individual chapters and such. Like, what the hell.
Who?
It had multiplayer?
LookAtMeGo
Member
I dont think people dont believe it cant be done, there is proof it can be. I just don't believe that will be the average persons playtime, if it is I will be disappointed but forgiving if the experience is good.
The Halo campaign got shat on for a lot of things. The length of the campaign was one of them. The Library was bloated as fuck and the amount of backtracking was constantly brought up.
Better enemy ai, co-op, multi; and as mentioned above, the halo campaign does take it knocks where deserved. Ain't nobody defending Library.
LegalEagleMike
Member
Is Order going to have one of the best console multiplayer experiences of its time? Or any multiplayer? There you go.
Tons of people in this thread. Just like the opposite.
I think that's a pretty sensible prediction based on your play style and what we know. Well provided you play on Normal anyway, and depending on skill level.
In earlier leaked videos I saw players spending tonnes of time stuck in certain segments of the game lol. Dying over and over and over again, or not knowing how to proceed and instead wasting a lot of time trying to figure it out lol.
BackBackPunch
Member
Halo 1 only had split screen and lan multiplayer. Compared to today's online offerings it was pretty darn sparse.
If 1886 had split screen multiplayer only, I don't think anyone would suddenly change their tune.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
It's not that people don't believe, it's that some think it's ridiculous that the gaffers claiming 9 and 10 hours are playing insanely slowly.
Who? I wanna laugh too.
Same reason people to whine much about COD's short campaigns - people are really buying them for the multiplayer. People like me with no interest in COD multiplayer rent COD games, beat them in a day or two and then return them.
Tainted
Member
Im guessing alot of people posting in these 1886 threads have preordered the game or invested a fair amount of hype levels towards it. They obviously don't want to be disappointed
Hell, I looked forward to HL2 since its initial reveal....read up and watched nearly everything which was released for it prior to release. I would have been devastated if it turned out to be a turkey....lucky for me, it didnt
SunBroDave
Member
I'm not about to dig back through all the vitriol that's been spewed throughout this thread, but off the top of my head how about the ones who keep discrediting playmethrough's walkthrough on Youtube, which, despite their arguments, didn't seem rushed or speed runned at all. It was just like how I'd play it on a first playthrough. To experience the story and pick up any collectibles I happen to run into along the way
Necromanti
Member
Holding an almost 14 year old game to the same standard as one coming out today seems ridiculous. LAN/local multiplayer was the standard at the time. The comparison falls short even further since I don't recall Halo being cutscene-heavy. I don't understand the comparison at all.
This is nothing new. Some years ago (obviously let's plays were not a thing back then) some people enjoyed meeting with friends and watching them playing some SP games (especially when they were too frightened to play horror games
). With Youtube it only became easier, but this is nothing new or strange. Why can't people simply accept that this is a thing for some folks?You're trying way too hard.
Well today isn't 2001. People spent 100+ hours in Halo's multiplayer.
I think the tune would change because the replay value would've been much better.
Officerrob
Banned
Halo: Combat Evolved released in 2001 and is considered one of the best multiplayer games ever. The Order is releasing in 2015 and is held to 2015 standards, not 2001
Dreamgazer
Member
How I feel about GAF after this whole thread:
Fbh
Member
Because what a lot of people are saying here is not "short game = bad game", it's "short game = not enough value for $60".
Halo 1 might have a short story but it gained tremendous value because most people spent dozens if not hundreds of hours on the multiplayer mode.
The Order does just have a story mode, it has no co-op mode and no online mode. And from what people that own it are saying, the only thing it has in terms of replay value or some collectables
orthodoxy1095
Banned
What exactly are 2015 standards?
It's pretty simple, isn't it?
If the game is amazing to the degree that I feel like playing it over and over then I have no problem with 3 hours, 5 hours, whatever.
If it doesn't inspire me to play through it again (a lot of cutscenes and/or a high ratio of cutscenes to gameplay certainly doesn't help) then I'll feel cheated having paid full price for it.
I have encountered both situations many times. Primarily with shooters.
How do you know that they didn't? Totally different time for shooters to boot and perhaps people forgave it for being short because of the way it revolutionized console shooters in regards to controls (along with Goldeneye), AI and more open areas that offered numerous approaches.
SunBroDave
Member
Rhetorical question right?
CambriaRising
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LookAtMeGo
Member
Oh no. It's Halo vs The Order now.
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Necromanti
Member
Multiplayer shooters are expected to have online functionality in this day and age, rather than being limited to local-only multilpayer. This is a mystery to no one.
Ah I'm the type of person that consumes that sort of thing. Now- I wont go out of my way to search for them but I will examine anything I come across. So for me, it sounds like the game would last me a good 9-11 hours.
Thanks gaf this information has been very helpful honestly.
Now, if I were the type to blaze through the game I would lean towards shorter time completions
And broken games. Don't forget broken games. No but seriously 2014 was not the best precedent as far as AAA stuff was concerned.
WordsintheWater
Member
Is he playing on hard or normal?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
No, not really. If you think there is a standard for a game in 2015, you should be able to elucidate what that standard is. What standards are The Order not meeting that should be considered "standard" in 2015?