LordOcidax
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Reggie: Switch matchmaking and lobbies handled through phone app
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Twenty7KVN
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Damn Nintendo's messaging has been so bad after the event. I can't believe they got this so wrong after doing it so well with the tease.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Those were $500 smartphone, asshole!
it says ヘッドホンマイク　ー＞headphone microphone
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/hardware/switch/specs/index.html#1
What I explicitly mean is that random matchmaking and friend matchmaking are likely to exist within games the same way they did on the Wii U because there's no reason they shouldn't work the way they did on the Wii U. Splatoon has easy "join game" or "custom/private match" options within the game itself, same with Mario Kart 8. If you can connect online and play, what's stopping any developer from adding that to their game?
The app to me seems like it's just a supplement to that which would also allow voice chat. It'd be Nintendo's solution to the lack of Wii U having party lobbies; a very convoluted solution, mind you.
I mean, they've given us broad strokes but nothing else.
I honestly do think they'll be working on damage control. The Switch is and should be treated like their final hurrah, and they need to make things right.
Schnozberry
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I don't disagree. I can just see how fear may have motivated them.
Maybe I didn't understand your comment then. How does that invalidate what I said? What's the point?
The free game and the deals are rewards, not functionalities.
Khalifa Jayy
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So we can't critique a company or their decisions unless we are buying the hardware. Got it.
You're arguing that the app enforces the subscription. That means you think the app will become the gateway for these things, including online gameplay. There's no evidence of that and that is not how the app is being described.
Vanguard771
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I really want to see this app in motion. The only real world association I can make at the moment is the app my friend uses to chat with his Guild real time on WoW. I always found that pretty nifty.
Okami Haundo
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I'm not sure what you're trying to follow? I just responded to a claim that Wii-U didn't allow voice chat with the built-in microphone with an example of how it did. I honestly didn't have a point to make besides providing an example.
Twenty7KVN
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Yea which is part of their bad messaging. They need to show use how these things work before they start talking.
Your image works as well as the online will on the Switch, hilariously.
You should check out what the PS and Xbox app do. Companion apps are good, no one is disputing that.
By enforcing the subscription I mean that I'm asking if for accessing the functionalities that are behind the paywall you need the app.
This is how the app is described:
Functionalities ≠ rewards
Rewards you can receive via My Nintendo (the dedicated rewards service) or Nintendo Account.
Edit: again, I don't treat this as a fact, just as a mere speculation, I think I made that very clear also in previous posts.
LordOcidax
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Splinter Cell Blacklist Wii U uses the build in mic for voice chat....
Steve Youngblood
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Well, sure, Nintendo may somehow despite all odds totally knock this out of the park and put the haters in their place. But let's be real here, most of the backlash is totally deserved. It's not fans fault for jumping to conclusions when they fail to properly explain how this is going to be rolled out and what exact functionality will be in place. And even if it is a great service, it still reflects poorly on them that it's not ready for launch.
The optimistic picture to me sounds more like "hey, maybe it won't be as bad as it sounds." It really seems like they're flying by the seat of their pants here. Those perks sound bad for a paid service. If the iPhone app isn't necessary for chat and in-game lobbies, they've done a bad job of explaining that that the smart app is more of an optional accompanying bit of functionality as opposed to an integral part of their online infrastructure. If the service is going to be appropriately cheap, they should have noted that while the final cost is still being considered, they're aiming for it to be inexpensive.
Again, Nintendo may very well serve up some crow here. Who knows. But I honestly don't think people are acting in bad faith by pointing out that what we currently know about the online infrastructure and paid service all sounds pretty lousy.
Crazy Diamond
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What I'm wondering is why the Switch would need a $30 Ethernet adapter if you couldn't set anything up from the console itself?
Okami Haundo
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I think this whole conversation is getting confused now. I am not under the impression that Wii-U didn't allow the use of the built-in mic for chat. I provided an example to another user showing how Mario Kart 8 was an example of a game that did use the built-in mic.
Downloads? Actual netcode beside the lobby and voice chat?
This can't be. From a software development and design stand-point it makes the whole process so much more convoluted and complicated.
There has to be some sort of misinterpretation.
This would mean that every game's match making UI would have to adhere to some sort of interface to allow the app to work. No more creative matchmaking UIs.
You would press a button to start finding a match in the game. A system UI would pop up and say something like "waiting for smart phone app connection". Then you'd have to switch over to the mobile app while the game just chills there waiting to be told what to do next by the app.
Imagine porting over your multiplayer game from PS4/XB1. Not going to happen.
There has to be some sort of misinterpretation.
This would mean that every game's match making UI would have to adhere to some sort of interface to allow the app to work. No more creative matchmaking UIs.
You would press a button to start finding a match in the game. A system UI would pop up and say something like "waiting for smart phone app connection". Then you'd have to switch over to the mobile app while the game just chills there waiting to be told what to do next by the app.
Imagine porting over your multiplayer game from PS4/XB1. Not going to happen.
moltonasty
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If they were keeping the online service free I think this would be taken a lot better. Yeah it's still dumb AF but at least we could rationalize it as Nintendo cutting costs. You'd be inconvenienced but hey at least it's free, compared with the completion that would be a perk.
But the fact that they're charging you and yet you still need a separate device for basic features the completion includes on their hardware. It's just shockingly bad.
But the fact that they're charging you and yet you still need a separate device for basic features the completion includes on their hardware. It's just shockingly bad.
old manatee
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moltonasty
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FantasticMrFoxdie
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The distinction between rewards and functionality is meaningless. You said the subscription works hand in hand with the app and that the app may enforce the subscription. The rewards are part of the subscription. You made no distinction.
And my point is that your speculation is baseless. The app is treated as its own distinct part of the subscription service. It is categorized distinctly from the online gameplay, the free game and the discounts. It's main functions are described. There's no reason to assume it will be used as a gateway to all PvP or PvE online gameplay because it's never been described as such. I don't see any reason to speculate that it will at this point, even if ultimately it did happen.
The rewards can't be enforced. At least this I hope you understand.
The rest I covered already and you chose to ignore it, so let's agree to disagree and move on.
Edit: and my speculation might be wrong, but it's not baseless. I think we have different properties for the terms, like what baseless means and what is a subscription. Maybe I don't understand English well enough.
As much as this will suck if it's true, how many people is this a deal-breaker for?
As someone who hasn't really touched online with Nintendo's games very often (could very well change with Splatoon 2) this won't stop me from buying the console and playing it. I won't need online to play Zelda, Mario, presumably Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, etc.
I'm not making an excuse, I'm just saying this if this sucks I'll just ignore it entirely and get on with my day, they won't get my money for their online service but they still will for their console.
As someone who hasn't really touched online with Nintendo's games very often (could very well change with Splatoon 2) this won't stop me from buying the console and playing it. I won't need online to play Zelda, Mario, presumably Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, etc.
I'm not making an excuse, I'm just saying this if this sucks I'll just ignore it entirely and get on with my day, they won't get my money for their online service but they still will for their console.
R_thanatos
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I understood that reference
levyjl1988
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I'm not even mad about this.
1. It takes away additional computing stress from the Switch.
2. I always have my iPhone 6S Plus on me and I use it to tweet, text, look up FAQ.
3. I'm not worried about lack of battery as I have an external battery charger.
4. I would be using Apples Airpod so I'm good on the wireless portion.
1. It takes away additional computing stress from the Switch.
2. I always have my iPhone 6S Plus on me and I use it to tweet, text, look up FAQ.
3. I'm not worried about lack of battery as I have an external battery charger.
4. I would be using Apples Airpod so I'm good on the wireless portion.
Why can't the rewards be enforced through the app if Nintendo chose to do so? I didn't ignore anything. You simply made a bad argument and I addressed it. You're deflecting.
Damn we finally found their core demographic.
The rewards are granted, not enforced. The subscription, the paywall for accessing the functionalities is enforced.
ViolentP
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These should all be pack-ins then.
Steve Youngblood
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I honestly think it sounds like a very cool option. It's just bizarre to me if this does indeed prove to be necessary as a means of chatting and playing in a lobby with friends.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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So you have an expensive smartphone with you, with expensive headphones, with expensive battery charger so it's not a problem for you?
Makes sense... Seems like Nintendo was catering just to you! Hope you grow four ears to listen to both game audio and chat audio lol.
Jokes aside, not everyone has this option.
As someone who hates constantly backing out of my game on PS4 to manage my party/messages and all that shit, it doesn't wholeheartedly destroy my dreams like it seems to be for others either, but it certainly needs an explanation to prove to us that it can still be an elegant solution. I'm not saying people who are mad are wrong, I'm just saying it's not a deal-breaker for me and I could see it working fine.
What's your speculation based on?
It's clear that we don't have a common ground or a common understanding. We don't even interpret simple words in the same way. It's really pointless and already quite off-topic to continue.
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