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Seeming surge of hate crimes, assaults, intimidation in wake of Trump victory
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Trump is just a fucking a populist as every politician but he is the dangerous type of populist.
The problem is the causes his willing to champion to get populist and he doesn't draw the lines where he won't cross. He just keep pandering to please his user base. How far he is willing to go to please the masses?
He doesn't care about minorities, they are disposable sacrifice pawns, as long he keep in power by pleasing the masses.
His real personal opinions are irrelevant as long his action as leader and enabler of actions that legitimize and normalize the action of sacrifice a minority.
And minority here is any small group in comparison with the big masses.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I agree. There's a fantastic reason why I didn't do that. My post, very clearly, talks about that people cannot treat these two instances of violence as if they have the same cause or the same solution.
I'm a huge Black Friday shopper and we usually go to Wisconsin for it since that where my father lives. However I might feel better sticking it out here in Illinois. I would probably end up killing someone up north for being a racist out in the open.......god I can't imagine how brutal it's going to be this shopping season when you are going to have folks openly out probably "hunting" minorities
NHarmonic.
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I'm falling deeper into depression with this. What a putrefact, sad world we live in. Fuck everyone who voted trump and allowed this pieces of shit to be validated on their views.
A Link to the Past
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Take your time and self-care to get back on your feet, but don't let these four years get you down. Use this to power through it and use that to get back our future.
This a type of democracy, the bad one.
Majoritarian democracy = its tyranny of the majority whereby the majority in society could oppress or exclude minority groups.
What we need is a
Consensus democracy = a decision-making structure which involves and takes into account as broad a range of opinions as possible
Sadly, that's not quite true. If voter turnout had been anywhere close to 100% this almost certainly wouldn't have happened.
I can understand the motivation for trying to spread a "let's get positive!" attitude, but it can only fall on deaf ears right now when minorities have to literally fear for their lives, and girls now get their crotches grabbed at school.
"Let's unite and heal the wounds" isn't particularly helpful advice to Muslim women who feel like it's open season on them now. The more pragmatic advice would be "you should probably buy a gun".
"Let's unite and heal the wounds" isn't particularly helpful advice to Muslim women who feel like it's open season on them now. The more pragmatic advice would be "you should probably buy a gun".
Chaos2Frozen
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1 out of 4 endorsed him.
1 out of 4 rejected him.
2 out of 4 are okay with him (People who can vote but didn't)
So roughly 3 out of 4 Americans are accepting of Trump to varying degrees.
tiebreaker
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People who vote trump should know this. For whatever reasons they are voting trump, they are also empowering these morons.
So you want mandatory voting? Not asking disingeniously because afaik that still exists in some (even western) countries.
GoldenCrow
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He is dangerous but not necessary in the way people have been suspecting, such as the stuff with Russia.
Potentially the biggest threat he is posing is the interior destabilisation which the CIA, FBI, militaries and global forecasters have all had at the top of their list of biggest threats to peace of the United States. Like you say politicians of the past have lines they wouldn't cross to prevent this but he has willingly jumped across multiple lines to grab votes. For a country that has a diverse make-up it has always had a delicate balance and the question from the outside has always been how in a country that has such strong divisions does it get along in the way it has been especially considering there are so many large militarised hate groups of all kinds.
The kicker is that Clinton got more votes. But the US has a very shitty system, so they are now stuck with Trump, despite the will of the people.
I imagine these hate crime numbers will virtually disappear shortly after he's sworn in, if only because that designation will be reserved only for crimes against cops now. I can't even tell people to exercise their second amendment rights to stay safe because that would be a death sentence for a PoC, whether it happens on site or before a white supremacist judge and jury.
The *ideal* scenario is that the parties are able to motivate their voting base to get out and vote, obviously. If mandatory voting is enforceable and it would have stopped this from happening then I'd probably support it.
Low voter turnout has played a large put in two horrible electorate decisions this year.
Expected yet tragic all the same. As an outsider looking in, it just baffles me how this is possible. You would look at a compilation reel about everything Trump has ever publicly said and you would laugh out loud to the idea of him actually having any real chance at presidency.
Its called projection.
I completely understand and respect your position here, and I recognise this is the reality for many. Realistically however, it is not the case for everyone, and as a minority myself this in particular is something I find immensely frustrating.
I'm seeing it more and more frequently. People wring their hands over a topic online and proceed to take absolutely no action. They get to feel progressive inside for pointing at The Bad Thing, collect their retweets/quotes/likes, and get on with their day.
So many people claiming to be outraged on my behalf, or the behalf of others. Yet at the end of the day I rarely see evidence of a single one of them visibly making an actual contribution, beyond their angry post. Not all of these people work 14 hours a day, or 7 days a week, or have kids to take care of.
Again, this is not aimed at anyone in particular. I'm not pointing my finger at anyone who ever made an angry post. There are however people out there doing exactly what I'm describing, over and over again, and no one seems to call them on it. It's slacktivism, it's disingenuous, it's apathetic and in my opinion it actually feeds into this horrible landscape of ignorance. I see these attitudes helping the hatemongers gain power, because in my opinion this practice gives these people (who claim to be outraged, but are obviously mildly disgruntled at best) the release they need in order to be comfortable staying quiet in their day to day life.
Why should they actually go and do anything about it? Why even bother voting? They already feel self satisfied, people already know their opinion on the matter. After all they've already voiced their extreme disapproval on two social networks and a forum thread only this morning.
Audioboxer
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This is fucking disgusting and it happened in the wake of Brexit as well
SchrodingerC
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We all knew this was coming, and it's just as horrifying we expected to be. Fuck everyone who feels emboldened to commit these hateful acts because an all around horrible parasite was elected.
I fucking dare any one of those sexist jackasses to even touch me; my stun gun should make my message loud and clear.
I fucking dare any one of those sexist jackasses to even touch me; my stun gun should make my message loud and clear.
You have no idea what you are on about. Hate crime is very much still on the rise since and because of Brexit.
More_Badass
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It's what a quarter of the voters wanted. Which makes me feel let down. How can it truly be a democracy when a quarter of voters get to decide this for the entire nation
Braag
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Yeah. My gf was pretty confused after reading that majority voted for Clinton and Trump still got elected (we live in Finland), so I explained to her how electoral college system works and she just said "well, that isn't really democracy then".
evilromero
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Well said. I agree.
This is fucking disgusting and it happened in the wake of Brexit as well
Still happens now. Hate crime was up by 20,000 last year and the head of police has said it has increased this year as well.
The Technomancer
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Video for this one: high-school kids walking down a hall with a Trump sign saying "white power"
https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/796713876788232196
https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/796713876788232196
GregLombardi
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And yet...we are going to have to deal with it and do something about it.
And the scary thing is...I'm not sure what we can do.
Palette Swap
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There's also the "build the wall" chants in a middle school during lunch: https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/796718146434564096
(Oops, it was already posted, but it's still chilling)
Master Yoshi
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Holy fucking shit. I am speechless.
Empyrean Heaven
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i was at the gym yesterday, and a couple of guys were heckling me by the free weights.
"You sure you can lift that, fatty?"
"You're not losing weight fast enough!"
"You being here is making us look bad"
"We all know when you go home all you'll be lifting are burgers and beer."
"Trump wants 10s in this country. You're a 1."
"You sure you can lift that, fatty?"
"You're not losing weight fast enough!"
"You being here is making us look bad"
"We all know when you go home all you'll be lifting are burgers and beer."
"Trump wants 10s in this country. You're a 1."
I might be wrong, but it's my understanding that avoiding this very situation is why the Electoral College was conceived.
The idea being that a demagogue might amass such fervent support that they could win the popular vote, but that it would be impossible to appeal to a wide range of diverse communities across so many different states, and so this would be the protective, preventative measure.
It didn't account for how well hate would transcend state lines.
Androidsleeps
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What did you do America?
America looked at that same compilation reel and decided they don't have to vote because he has no real chance at presidency.
Count Dookkake
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Black Friday and the holiday season will be very interesting this year.
Charles Brandon
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Disgusting.
If it is any reassurance [although I am sure someone has already mentioned this] we went through a similar process in the UK after Brexit. Suddenly all the closet bigots and racists thought they had carte blanche to go mainstream with their vile bullshit. They interpreted the vote as a validation of their racism by the majority, confirmed by the system. There were a flurry of incidents similar to the ones in the OP of this thread. However, this seems to have died down now AFAIK.
If it is any reassurance [although I am sure someone has already mentioned this] we went through a similar process in the UK after Brexit. Suddenly all the closet bigots and racists thought they had carte blanche to go mainstream with their vile bullshit. They interpreted the vote as a validation of their racism by the majority, confirmed by the system. There were a flurry of incidents similar to the ones in the OP of this thread. However, this seems to have died down now AFAIK.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Almost 60 million Americans looked at it and decided it really spoke to their economic insecurity.
SliceSabre
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Not surprised in the least.
Just gonna try and keep my head down even more than usual.
Just gonna try and keep my head down even more than usual.
Maybe you're taking into account the people who didn't vote, but I thought it was what 47.5% of voters wanted.
IceDoesntHelp
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Jesus fucking christ America.
Edit: obviously not all of America.
Edit: obviously not all of America.
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