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So, Polygon 'playing' Doom...
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Psh, my car analogy is like a trillion times betterer.
SunBroDave
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SirPenguin
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I've thought about it some more, and I think the word I want to use is "familiar"
The reviewer doesn't have to be an expert or possess a minimum skill level, but they do at least need to be familiar with what they're working with.
For this example, they need to be familiar with dual-analog controls. They need to be familiar with how an FPS works, and what sort of thing a Doom game might be asking them to do
There's value in having people who aren't familiar with something review it, but that's a specific use case for a specific audience
The reviewer doesn't have to be an expert or possess a minimum skill level, but they do at least need to be familiar with what they're working with.
For this example, they need to be familiar with dual-analog controls. They need to be familiar with how an FPS works, and what sort of thing a Doom game might be asking them to do
There's value in having people who aren't familiar with something review it, but that's a specific use case for a specific audience
gunslikewhoa
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Just keep doubling down with the 'no experience playing games required to be a professional game reviewer.' It makes a lot of sense. I can't believe people are actually making this argument. It's like you're arguing just to argue or something.
That's a valid point that a lot of people are missing. It's just the unusual circumstance (in a way, one of id/Bethesda's making by not giving out review copies) that are making the previews more important than normal due to the lack of information about Doom's quality. I get that there is a rush now that embargoes aren't a factor, but (and I'm sure Polygon aren't the only ones, simply just the biggest) sacrificing quality to get a bigger piece of the pie (pun full intended) is plain shoddy journalism that doesn't benefit the consumer.
Probably a working thumbs threshold.
A person who is familiar with FPS games and is decent at them - knows when a game controls well and plays well or if a game plays janky/sluggish.
A person who is not familiar with FPS games and doesn't know how to control them very well - cannot tell a good or bad control system apart.
I would much rather have someone who knows about and plays the genre a lot to tell me in the review if the game controls well. Which DOOM does.
A person who is not familiar with FPS games and doesn't know how to control them very well - cannot tell a good or bad control system apart.
I would much rather have someone who knows about and plays the genre a lot to tell me in the review if the game controls well. Which DOOM does.
JesseEwiak
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Not "no experience playing games", obviously. But, yes, I frankly think the reactions from people on the Internet from various videos of the games press playing games over the years is completely out over the top.
SunBroDave
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Yeah, don't review a game if you can't perform the simplest of actions in it.
Is this the only type of game and control method that exist? What if they exclusively play strategy or turn based games?
This is like New Yorkers flipping out at a food critic for reviewing pizza while eating with a knife and fork.
Agent_Carnage
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That has to be a joke right?
How was this person controlling the game?
How was this person controlling the game?
SunBroDave
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Perfect
Who in the world does this
SirPenguin
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Are you sure the reactions are over the top? Did you watch the video?
How can you possibly even defend that? Take any argument you're going to make out of theoretical land and argue against the actual video in the OP. Defend that. Can you?
I agree that 'people on the Internet' can be unreasonable about a lot of things. But the reactions are pretty reasonable this time
SunBroDave
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If they only play strategy and turn based games then they shouldn't be reviewing a shooter.
NinjamicWZ
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How? Not even DSP can do it like this?
Is this Polygon's new strategy?
Is this Polygon's new strategy?
I agree.
It comes off as very entitled to say that people with less gaming experience should not be allowed to review games or should be shamed for even trying. There are a ton of reviews/impressions from skilled players for me, no reason for there not to be some for the people just getting into the genre for the first time.
shouamabane
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They should lean into this and start a Polygon Plays video series.
Chainsawkitten
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Whether the game is any good for someone like me (of course they'd have to have the same tastes as well). Like whether there are easier difficulty modes and there are other aspects to the game other than merely shooting that would make it fun (I don't enjoy shooting even if I get to play with keyboard+mouse, where I'm certainly above average in competency). Like The Last of Us contains mandatory shooting segments but they're not that many. It's mostly stuff you can stealth through, which means I could play it (even if I had to repeat the shooting-bits 10 times each to get through them) and even enjoy it (although it was overlong).
In this particular case, it seems to be a game focused entirely on shooty bang-bang so I don't need a review to tell me it's not for me.
Why, yes.
WHAT HELL IS THIS
John Kowalski
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Perhaps you would if your car needs are lenient and specific to its day to day use, i'm not myself deeply knowledgeable on the specifics of how cars are made, but i could give you a pretty indepth critic of how my car feels to drive, how useful it is to my day to day. That's only to show that reviews don't all coalesce so comfortably, they can come from many places and they reach very different audiences, and none would be less inherently valuable because of it. Their value would only start to depend on what their focus was.
I can't believe ppl are defending this lmao. Fuck this industry.
They play games as well as they write articles.
lol good lord
Jack Scofield
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Poor Dimmle, haha.
I don't really see the harm.
Honestly I get the feeling some people in this thread are just upset that they don't have a job that allows them to play and talk about games.
*raises hand*
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I do, but I drown that shit in hot sauce. I would look like one of those melty Nazi guys in Raiders of the Lost Ark if I tried to eat that with my hands.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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To this day people are stupid enough to defend pre-180 Xbox One plans.
So really nothing can surprise me at this point.
You monster
visiblemode
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Really? I've only seen a few people play like this and only the first time playing an FPS.
Not trying to be mean, but this appears to be a first timer.
a Sega Activator combined with a Power Glove
As it lends to the competency/experience of the person doing the review, yes. If you cannot use a dual thumbstick controller in an FPS game released on consoles then you have no business doing the review, as your lack of competency with a controller will undoubtedly bias your experience.
Now who knows if the person playing in the video is writing the review.
gunslikewhoa
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The video in this thread deserves every bit of the reaction it is getting.
The nerds on here man I swear. Basically every game needs to have some superfan reviewing it who's familiar with the mythos, an expert in the gameplay, and has played through New Game+++++ for at least 300 hours. Even though all those people for whom those things are important are such uberfans that they couldn't give a shit about reviews other than to criticize them.
Why, yes.
NO, MONEY DOWN!
TheOfficeMut
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I can only imagine that a lot of reviewers when reviewing other games are just as bad as this Polygon player and blame a game's mechanics for why it's so difficult, claiming they suck.
lol
lol
Congrats, you've been immortalized.
What will you do with your new-found fame?
You can't fool me, Astro. Your reputation proceeds you.
ScottFarRoad
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Yep, this was one of the first "wow, you're playing badly" videos and I'm mediocre at most games and I hate those "play better" comments on some YT vids.
Didn't help it was the first Doom single-player vid that popped into my feed.
The fact they've disabled likes and dislikes on the video is awful. At least own the fact you got a newbie to play along and make a joke of it.
Didn't help it was the first Doom single-player vid that popped into my feed.
The fact they've disabled likes and dislikes on the video is awful. At least own the fact you got a newbie to play along and make a joke of it.
Tomeru
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Then we agree. I also agree about your former point, but the issue at hand is doom.
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