The Artisan
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This is starting to remind me of the Ps4 pro won't support 4K blu ray thread
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Sony defends decision to block crossplay: "A responsibility to our install base."
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I believe we are saying the same thing =P
On average most people spend most of their multiplayer time on third party titles
I have provided facts, people don't like them and want to dismiss them as opinions, people try to counter the facts with mostly opinions and then get bent out of shape when i prove them wrong. If you plan on obstinately replying to every post then i will just have to put you on the ignore list, you're not furthering the conversation any more and you're just sh*ting up the thread for everybody else.
IMO
MS is moving towards becoming a full fledged software as a service company and this type of action makes perfect sense for them. The bigger the pool base of users/players the more shit they can sell (micro transactions) and make money on. Sony being short sighted is seeing this as an attack on PS+ and is blocking it while if they were smart they would be creating similar software and allowing this to happen and taking their "cut".
This is very similar to the usual process that happens, MS just is light years ahead of Sony in terms of services while Sony is the king of hardware implementation and old school thinking. I think Sony cracks eventually when they realize the potential gains from the model MS has but they'll be late as usual just like they were with PS+.
MS is moving towards becoming a full fledged software as a service company and this type of action makes perfect sense for them. The bigger the pool base of users/players the more shit they can sell (micro transactions) and make money on. Sony being short sighted is seeing this as an attack on PS+ and is blocking it while if they were smart they would be creating similar software and allowing this to happen and taking their "cut".
This is very similar to the usual process that happens, MS just is light years ahead of Sony in terms of services while Sony is the king of hardware implementation and old school thinking. I think Sony cracks eventually when they realize the potential gains from the model MS has but they'll be late as usual just like they were with PS+.
The Artisan
Member
oh, well then you got me confused man. minecraft and rocket league are huge indie games, if Sony says yes to cross play with these games then that opens up the opportunity for AAA games to do the same yeah?
People have provided you facts, countered your "facts" and you dismiss them because you just don't agree. As I said you are shitting up the thread just as much as I am. If you want this discussion to end, then just say so but I don't care if you put me on your ignore list
They don't have an anti crossplay policy. they allow it for pc. Them not allowing it for their direct competition is them looking out for their business. You and I may not like it, but it is understandable.
babyghost853
Member
You said it yourself, you don't know the reasons. But that didn't stop you from inventing the bullshit you are now trying to spread in this thread. It's nothing more than a baseless accusation, and you are stating it as fact. Rocket League is cross play with PC, FFXIV is cross play with PC, but some how Sony have an "anti-crossplay policy". I never told you to accept anything, you are free to disagree with and not like their decision. I just felt like calling out some of the BS FUD, when you go as far as to make shit up, yes, you have an agenda. Or maybe you just don't know what a policy is.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Stop saying you've provided facts. You've provided a single instance of anecdotal evidence. You aren't proving anyone wrong and the only thing shitting up this thread is you continually just saying facts. Like not even the facts you apparently have made, just the word facts over and over again as though that somehow makes it true
The Artisan
Member
That's what I meant when I said anti-crossplay, that they have such a policy with mS and Nintendo I thought that was obvious and it is not at all understandable so I won't respect it.
Of course! Let's say that at that point in a few years every 3rd party has cross platform multilayer.
This would mean that most of the time people would not be playing on Sony servers.
At that point the perceived value of paying for multilayer with ps+ will go down.
Therfore Sony will have to either lower the price or add additional perks to the subscription service.
At the end this will basically mean lower revenue.
I really believe we are on the same page and misunderstood each other =P
I have asked you many times to stop replying because you are providing no facts, repeating yourself and just like several other people you haven't countered mine. So here's your chance stop replying now. Next reply is the ignore list. Enjoy your night.
The Artisan
Member
This thread is 50 pages in, if you think I'm the first one to say these things then you don't know what you're talking about, you just want to pick a fight. Like I said to the other guy, when I said anti-crossplay I meant they are that way with mS and Nintendo I thought that was obvious. And as far as I'm concerned...you are the one with the agenda. You're here antagonizing me, someone who is not a fan of this policy and if you're not against Sony, then you are supporting Sony in this case.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Yeah, you seem awfully selective about which made up bullshit to take issue with, considering these threads are absolutely slathered with hypothetical ranging from reasonable to ridiculous, meant pretty clearly to portray Sony in a more positive light than they've portrayed themselves on this matter.
The Artisan
Member
myself and others have been repeating the same things to you because you haven't convinced anyone. again, i don't care if you put me on ignore.
The sun is still out
I've provided facts throughout the thread, but thanks for your opinion. Good night.
As i've warned you, you're now going on my ignore list, i'm sure you'll innately reply to this as well. Good night.
The Artisan
Member
based on his above post you might be the next person on his ignore list because you're "wrong" and never said anything factual
Huge Succeeded
Banned
knightfolk
Member
Fast forward a little bit. What version version will devs spend the lions share of their resources on? The proprietary version, or the multi platform flavor...Sonys users are always going to be behind in features and updates.
The Artisan
Member
as far as we know, mojang may not provide updates to the playstation versions at all anymore, from here on out
ScientificPizza
Banned
It's also crossplay with mobile and PC, which makes the PS4 userbase for Minecraft look very, very small. They're not even close to being the largest slice of MC.
Alternative facts, maybe.
ScientificPizza
Banned
The priorietary version? I don't understand. Sony is still the lead platform, how would crossplay effect that
anothertech
Member
Ya silliness tho
Im reading a lot of posts that are justifying things from an overly conservative business point of view instead of actually being a fan of the medium and a consumer
This isn't a case of compromises or opinions, this is objectively bad and you, the gamer (on both 'sides') don't benefit in anyway.
This isn't a case of compromises or opinions, this is objectively bad and you, the gamer (on both 'sides') don't benefit in anyway.
Alebrije
Member
Yep , we know MS has better online infrastructure compared to Sony, Nintendo basically has nothing so they do not care because thier IP are enought to survive.
Suddenly on XboneX launch talk about crossplay intensifies. MS is not stupid and see a breach were they can hurt Sony ( they do not care about Nintendo), they basically see this as an strategy to bring consumers. Sony is not supid and know that cross play is a Pandora's box.
Sony its just being stupid the way they communicate this situation to the media or costumers.
I never said I benefited, only that I understand the decision. If I were running a company and my direct competition offered something similar with the requirement that their branding was involved, I would turn them down. Its that simple. sure as a gamer I would benefit from sony going along with this. Its easy to see why they wouldn't.
The Artisan
Member
This may still be the case with 3rd party games, but not with Sony's own games. I don't know if it was you I was replying to, but I play Uncharted 4 online everyday. If Sony's online services are in fact superior, wouldn't they deserve to lose revenue?
TharpDaddy
Member
Minecraft has sold 121 million copies, the game is bigger than the PS4. It's a phenomenon, it's constantly near the top of the app stores on iOS and Android, it charts on the NPD most months. Making it so the version you sell is a less desirable version seems worse for business than your playerbase seeing the words "Xbox Live" would be.
timetokill
Banned
Whatever you say, Kellyanne.
The FACT is that you won't even accept that the Minecraft userbase outside of PS4 absolutely dwarfs the PS4 userbase.
The FACT is that Sony has decided that their users having the worst version of Minecraft is an act of being "responsible" for them.
Here, for your thoughts:
ReBurn
Gold Member
To be fair I read your posts in this thread and you didn't provide a single fact. You've provided a lot of your own opinions and a lot of assumptions, and you threw in an anecdote about one friend (that may or may not exist) who wouldn't need a PS4 anymore if cross-platform play was allowed.
For something to be fact means that there's some evidence that it's true. The reason everyone is dogpiling you is because you're wrong.
Is it possible that some people wouldn't buy a PS4 if they could play multi-platform games with their PS4 friends from their Xbox? Sure. But it's not a fact that PS4 sales will plummet across the board if PC, Xbox, Switch and PS4 owners can all play Minecraft and Rocket League together like you're making out.
PS4 was already one of the least used platforms to buy it on. It was always behind xbox1 and 360 when NPD had sku rankings for software.
1. I've been mainly talking about cross play in general.Whatever you say, Kellyanne.
The FACT is that you won't even accept that the Minecraft userbase outside of PS4 absolutely dwarfs the PS4 userbase.
The FACT is that Sony has decided that their users having the worst version of Minecraft is an act of being "responsible" for them.
Here, for your thoughts:
2. I've never said the PS4 only user base of Minecraft is bigger than everybody else.
Birgitte2004
Member
I believe that Google, Amazon, and Steam don't even need to give permission, Microsoft can just do this on their own.
Not so sure on Apple though, although there are TONS of games with common servers between Apple and Google so I wouldn't be surprised at all if Apple isn't in the loop there either.
The Artisan
Member
Yes.
flintstryker
Banned
I see you guys have met Doicare, we in footygaf tend to just ignore his nonsense ramblings..well we did when there was a workable footygaf
Birgitte2004
Member
I'm not defending the bad decision, even though I don't think it's a big deal. And their reason is stupid.
What I'm saying is that Microsoft made it a bigger deal in the specific case of Minecraft by implying that cross play is required for everything else that comes with it. I may be wrong, and Minecraft may be updated on PS4 regularly with all the stuff on the common code base. If so, then I'm back to wondering why it's such a big deal in the first place.
I do find it amusing how anything that isn't "OMG SONY IS THE WORST COMPANY EVER!!!1!" is considered a defense, even if it has nothing to do with Sony.
The Artisan
Member
footygaf?
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Yup and that's why Sony is screwing this up big time.
In an effort to prevent crossplay with XB1/Switch, they're missing out on the big picture.
flintstryker
Banned
Football gaf, he's an alleged United supporter who always complains about them being robbed in one way or another, its rather hilarious really
The Artisan
Member
and he often comes up with the "i'm right, you're wrong, coz I got the facts and here they are" argument, except a little more eloquent than how I wrote it just now?
Birgitte2004
Member
What big picture? I genuinely don't get it, and I've spent hours watching Minecraft on Twitch (yes, I'm stupid).
So in Minecraft I can now play with even MORE random people. Or I suppose, I can play with a friend who isn't a good enough friend for me to be in the same ecosystem to begin with.
In Rocket League I can now play private lobbies with them, or if I get insanely lucky hit the jackpot to join them in a random game.
What is the bigger picture here? Why is it suddenly so important that cross play is a thing to people here? Why did this blow up to be such a massive issue?
Note: AGAIN, this is not a defense of Sony. The whole thing is petty and stupid on Sony's part. But not agreeing with it is not cause for the insanity we've seen the last few days about BIGGEST THING EVER! Who cares about more games, we don't have Crossplay! I just don't get it.
Last time i'm replying to a post like this because it's as much fun to type as it is to read. If the definition of fact is that what I have provided is not a fact then ZERO of the replies i've received are facts either and are just opinions. If people can't comprehend that one of the things that people look at when buying a console is what console their friends have and what console has the largest user base then I don't know what to say. Next people will be saying, price, games and services don't matter either. If cross play becomes a standard then right now this second PS4 sales will not plummet, i've never said they would plummet but in the grand scheme of things they would lose customers and when Sony as a company is in bad way financially they need every penny they can get. Whether people like it or not it is the best business decision for Sony at this point in time to say no.
foolishoptimist
Member
This was just a bad interview.
The interviewer starts with the false assertion that "[RocketLeague] don't work cross-platform with PlayStation." Suggesting it's an aversion to cross-platform play in general, when in fact it's clearly platform specific. And we can't really be sure whether Nintendo is one of those excluded parties, since they've jumped in with XBox on this.
Then the interviewer lets the answer/discussion revolve exclusively around Minecraft. They don't get Ryan to address the Rocket League situation at all. Protecting kids might be a BS reason, but it's not an invalid reason. Clearly protecting the kids isn't a valid reason for Rocket League, since we've already got PC cross-play happening.
But the interviewer just lets the whole Rocket League situation remain unaddressed. Lame.
The interviewer starts with the false assertion that "[RocketLeague] don't work cross-platform with PlayStation." Suggesting it's an aversion to cross-platform play in general, when in fact it's clearly platform specific. And we can't really be sure whether Nintendo is one of those excluded parties, since they've jumped in with XBox on this.
Then the interviewer lets the answer/discussion revolve exclusively around Minecraft. They don't get Ryan to address the Rocket League situation at all. Protecting kids might be a BS reason, but it's not an invalid reason. Clearly protecting the kids isn't a valid reason for Rocket League, since we've already got PC cross-play happening.
But the interviewer just lets the whole Rocket League situation remain unaddressed. Lame.
The Artisan
Member
In regards to Minecraft, even before the update, Ps4 did not have the biggest community for the game and after the announcement of the update, Ps4 will not only have the smallest community but the least updated version of the game available; not dedicated servers, no super duper graphics, no infinite worlds. All because Sony said no to cross play.
flintstryker
Banned
Yeah pretty much, kinda pointless to argue with him really you're not gonna get anywhere
so sony decided not to agree to crossplay MS is going to hold updates hostage. this is a game they already sold on psn and updated prior to this. its as much MS fault as it is sonys. they could do the updates without crossplay, they are choosing not to do so.