Considering just about every tournament of the past 5 years I'm gonna have to disagree.
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"Street Fighter V is a PS4 console exclusive" (PlayStation Blog)
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Considering just about every tournament of the past 5 years I'm gonna have to disagree.
Canis lupus
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How much does Tekken sell nowadays? Tekken 3 is still the biggest fighting game with +8M copies sold iirc.
Correct, I believe they have shipped 10m units to retailers, not to customers.
The latest iteration sold like 1.6 I believe. I think the only fighters that have sold over 3 million since SFIV's release have been SFIV, MK9, Injustice, Tekken 6 and U/MvC3 (combined).
From my own observations at game centers, Tekken is considerably more popular in Japan and Korea, but SF4 is definitely second place. Any arcade will usually have 8-10 Tekken seats and 4-6 SF4 seats, and the Tekken seats are always filled while I can actually play single player on SF4 sometimes.
Not to say SF4 isn't also big, I just think it's mostly in the US and Europe where it's the dominant fighting game.
Not to say SF4 isn't also big, I just think it's mostly in the US and Europe where it's the dominant fighting game.
Cyber Caesar
Member
Tekken 6 jumped the shark with Tekken 6 and still sold more that SF4 vanilla. Namco is currently in the shit with TTT2. Right now the right product could steal market share.
publicpwnerer
Member
Despite Street Fighter V being exclusive...I wonder if all the special versions will remain exclusive too.
Considering SFV was just announced and probably nowhere near done and MKX has a release in April while Tekken 7's cabinet comes out in February I don't think they care. SFV is likely a 2016 release or, at best, late 2015, well away from those two releases.
I've said it before, but if Capcom just does iterations like they did after Super, you won't see it on Xbox. Boyes' statement seemed pretty set in stone.
NeonZ
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TTT2 actually did pretty poorly, considering how it seemed to be the next big Tekken game. Around January 2013, it had shifted about 1.35 million units worldwide. Soulcalibur 5, for comparison, in spite of being rushed and clearly sidelined compared to TTT2, had shifted 1.7 million units by the same January. Both are rather low compared to their previous entries though.
We didn't get official numbers from Namco for either one afterwards, so I don't think they've moved much since then.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Bruce said not to expect future iterations on XB1 either. I still find it incredible that this is happening considering how 360 was big part of the Street Fighter IV scene but here we are.
This is correct.
Cyber Caesar
Member
EVO can't move 250,000 units can it?
It was only big because it played SFIV better, as it did with most multiplats. FGC doesn't have a preference, they just want the game as stable as possible.
Cynn
Member
If it's a lifetime console exclusive then it's not just about when their own products release but the fact that a Street Fighter isn't going to. Ever. That's a great opportunity for any publisher.
I don't understand what you mean. I'm simply commenting on the "Tekken can be arguably can be argued is larger in size than SF".
LordBaztion
Member
Ok, wasn't in development but the fact that Ono said they don't have the budget to develop makes me think the game was considered before they had to ask Capcom for money, thus, the game was at least in preproduction (and preproduction may be no more than a couple of guys setting up the ideas for the game).
As for finnanincing, I doubt any bank to refuse to finnance a sequel to the most succesful fighting franchise in the planet but probably Capcom's finnancial situation didn't allow them to access the credit at the moment Ono proposed it.
- Ono: hey Capcom, we've been thinking on ideas for SFV. What ya think?
- Capcom: cool but we don't have the money right now. Let us make a couple of cheap RE games, then we talk.
- Sony: I heard you guys have something good in mind.
- Profit.
Of course, this is just especulation, I have no proof at all and I may be missing some information. Its just my theory.
But it doesn't come out within the release window of Tekken/MKX so, again, why would they care? They'd probably only care if SF is gonna eat into their sales and releasing months-a year+ after them isn't gonna do that. Anyone that was looking to playing MKX/Tekken 7 will still do so when the games come out regardless of if SFV is coming "eventually" on their system.
Edit:
Thinking that Capcom management didn't even want to make SFIV (the same management that's in place now) and the last two fighting games they put out underperformed (one that had the name "Street Fighter in it) I doubt that's the case.
Even moreso, it wasn't about "not having the money", just "we're not spending money on that right now". They weren't giving him the budget/staff for it because Capcom seems to be looking to take less risks so either he/Capcom went to Sony or Sony approached them about a partnership.
Also, pre-production is pretty much just planning. Even going by your example it means Sony has been there from practically the start unlike with RotTR.
MatrixMan.EXE
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V true. I mean shit, a lot of the top players bought a 360 and only played SF on it, thinking about it. No brand loyalty there just, 'it plays the game better than PS3'. Good point
X360 was big for SF4 because:
-Live was far superior to PSN at that time in the gem cycle
-It had slightly better performance. PS3 had that 1 frame delay that made the game feel muddy
-X360 had a larger audience in the US so there was a bigger community
Assuming they don't have performance issues on SF5, those differences will be in PS4's favor this time. I don't think the community is loyal to any particular hardware maker. It's not as if MS reps were showing up at tourneys to engage the community.
-Live was far superior to PSN at that time in the gem cycle
-It had slightly better performance. PS3 had that 1 frame delay that made the game feel muddy
-X360 had a larger audience in the US so there was a bigger community
Assuming they don't have performance issues on SF5, those differences will be in PS4's favor this time. I don't think the community is loyal to any particular hardware maker. It's not as if MS reps were showing up at tourneys to engage the community.
You mean TheWorthyEdge?
Crayon
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Also, more dedicated players may buy more that one version (as well as additional console) so that they can play with people in the community otherwise separated by platform.
Cross-platform play is going to be a very good thing.
Hypereides
Gold Member
Within all the controversy surrounding the exclusivity of SF5, I find it saddening that it's outcome built on unfortunate cicumstances. It's discouraging to know Capcom is struggling.
When SF4 started being shown, it didn't take that long for the game to come out. If they're showing chatacters fighting, showing systems like guard crush, juggles and target combos, then the game can't be as far away as people are imagining.
Having the game running with a working fight engine, fully developed graphics, models, and effects isn't something you do in the early prototyping phase.
I believe Ono's team has been actively working on SF5 for a while, he just lied to us like he always does.
Having the game running with a working fight engine, fully developed graphics, models, and effects isn't something you do in the early prototyping phase.
I believe Ono's team has been actively working on SF5 for a while, he just lied to us like he always does.
Super true. I have no interest in an XB1, but me and many of my fighting game playing friends would have bought an XB1 for sf5.
SFxT did the same thing and it took a year and a half I believe. MKX was revealed before E3 and it's not coming out until 10 months later. Late 2015 at best but very likely 2016.
Ono and team have been working on it since late last year from what we can gather, games do take a while to make after all.
Wow, that's quite an accusation. Care to show some examples? I know he's been a troll, but I don't think he would lie about hard business stuff, i.e. USFIV port.
Sounds were placeholders and there were only 2 characters and one map shown. I think it's safe to assume that they started earliest when Hadouken cabs were teased. Latest would probably be the moment they hired DIMPS.
I also think that a lot of time goes into creating new characters and balancing. It's also important to note that USF4 shipped unfinished.
That's some double standard if this isn't sarcasm.
I doubt anybody would have problem if they fund it. But it's questionable if Sega even has the teams to pull these off.
The 360 versions also looked nicer due to having AA, which was absent in the PS3 versions.
MonHun can go to any platform it wants to. There's an MMO out there on PC and Vita as well as other platforms, remember? Nintendo hasn't locked down anything and neither company has said or done anything to suggest that's the case.
It's just like RE on the GC. That franchise favors one platform now, but that's all it is. There isn't even a ridiculous statement of commitment like there was with RE4.
didn't sony sponsor a few evo's?
Yeah but that was monetary stuff and the players complained a LOT.
Just a trip down memory lane
Street Fighter IV announced with Teaser - Oct 07
First Gameplay - Dec 07
Arcade Release - Jul 08
Console Release - Feb 09
SFIV released in arcades 9 months after it got announced
It was released on consoles 1 year and 4 months after it got announced.
If I had to guess, I am betting Street Fighter V will release anywhere between February 2016 and April 2016.
Street Fighter IV announced with Teaser - Oct 07
First Gameplay - Dec 07
Arcade Release - Jul 08
Console Release - Feb 09
SFIV released in arcades 9 months after it got announced
It was released on consoles 1 year and 4 months after it got announced.
If I had to guess, I am betting Street Fighter V will release anywhere between February 2016 and April 2016.
The mainline entries are going to be on handhelds just because the biggest audience for MH is in Japan and Japan doesn't favor console games. Considering Sony probably isn't going to release another handheld, if nobody else steps in and releases a handheld to compete against Nintendo (And there'd be no guarantee it would release on this hypothetical competitor, either) it's staying on Nintendo handhelds.
It hasn't seen a mainline entry on something that isn't a Nintendo console since Monster Hunter Portable 3rd.
The EVO PS3s came from sony afaik. But the consensus was that the way SFIV ran on PS3 was undesirable.
It got switched to 360 due to MS sponsoring this or last year, I think. To the relief of the competitors.
I'm not arguing the logic of the reality. Nintendo is very fortunate in that regard and I'm sure they will continue to be so.
I'm saying no money has changed hands to "lock down" anything. Nothing and no one has suggested that this is the case and your post outlines exactly why. It's a moot comparison.
I don't even know if arcades are in the equation this time out. Not sure the same rules apply this go 'round.
Glorified G
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That is true. One platform you have to drag a keyboard and mouse into the living room and install three separate clients just to play the biggest releases year in year out. Not to mention consistently switching between input methods and interfaces to operate those clients.
The other platform has one OS all operational with one input and it takes two button presses on one controller and you're in a unified online store, or you have the option to purchase a physical copy and play as you go.
Besides that, barely an distinction between them.
Also lack of PS button prompts on most games. Sony why can't you guys get off your asses and release DS4 drivers?
*hugs transistor*
Arcade release had less characters than console release. It might depend on what business model it's going to be.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Of course it can, and that's my point. It can go to any platform it wants to and yet the mainline games are exclusive to 3DS. Those same mainline games that without fail always sell between 2-4 million. If Capcom is willing to keep them exclusive to one platform, one which isn't even doing that hot overseas, then what's so strange about them making their 3rd best selling franchise exclusive to PC and the best selling current gen console.
I'm not suggesting any deals were made, but again, my point is simply that Capcom can put their franchises wherever they feel it makes business sense to. They did that with Monster Hunter, which sells far more than Street Fighter. So they can easily do the same with Street Fighter, especially given their financial position. Hence why I believe Ono when he said yesterday that Capcom approached Sony and not the other way around.
I recently looked back at the first location tests for the game and damn did it look janky and unfinished. That's why I have hope from seeing this alpha footage. I'm sure once they finish with the mechanics and start focusing on aesthetics, it's going to look great.
Everything being geared toward DLC these days, I have to believe expansions are planned that route now. SFV : Super and so on. I don't know the sales of SF4 Super, but that's the way it went after that update in disc form. Maybe the money just didn't come in the way they expected.
Dat boxart though!
I've heard nothing but good things about this box art. It would be a shame if they were to change it down the road.
Ah, thanks for the specifics. Early '16 seems likely then. Maybe Japan arcade release in late '15, if Santa loves me?
People lie in the games industry to protect secrets all the time. Saying he lied isn't like some indictment on his character.
Amentallica
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They already lock up games as it is. Both do.
Kinda glad it's an exclusive. I think this sort of thing lights fires under the asses of the competition, perhaps bringing the exclusives on competing systems up in terms of quality and desirability. When I think back to most past generations before the PS3/360 era, was 3rd party multiplatform even a big thing? I don't remember it being so prevalent the way it is now. You'd see the same franchises across different systems, but rarely the exact same game.
SF4 needed Super because the vanilla version wasn't DLC ready, as strange as it sounds. From what I've seen Capcoms offers for expansions have been quite good compared to their competitors, sans SFxT. Arcsys DLC characters cost 7-8 bucks a pop.
I know that Jaffe lied about Twisted Metal on PS3. Iirc Peter Molyneux is known as a notorious liar.
My question is what did Ono lie about to deserve the reputation as liar. From what I see he only answers stuff he can't answer with a "Maybe ;D" and other vague answers.