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[Masked Man]

So, I'm back in the US for about a week, but a day or two of travel and lots of jet lag have kept me from being too active--and what a time to be away from GAF! So much crazy news in the past few days.

This trailer makes me realize, perhaps the reason why the veteran dripping is so slow is because Sakurai is saving certain veterans for new character trailers.

I could imagine Wario showing up in the Rhythm Heaven rep trailer.

Totally agreed. Rhythm Heaven and WarioWare are basically sister series, so I can definitely see this happening.

So, thinking this all over, here's what I'm thinking could be the timeline if the Gematsu leak is real (if not accurate)

Maybe they decided Lucas was cut and that's why they had clone time, I dunno. I don't think we can discount Gematsu yet, since we already know a lot of his info was preliminary.

Yeah, my guess is that whoever is leaking information was involved in and/or privy to information from the planning stages, hence not knowing which X/Y Pokemon would make it in, having Chrom over Lucina, etc. Hopefully this means Lucas still has a chance!

"I'll... get my chance later"
Nope, you get it today

Had me in stitches. Would have been more Sakurai-like to just leave the last bit out, but I'm not complaining!

For what it's worth, the Japanese was

Chrom: "Looks like I won't be joining the battle any time soon..."
Sakurai: "That's not entirely true."

I found this. Use it for prosperity

Amazing!

As much as I love the discussion about buttocks,

ENTIRE ROSTER TO BE REVEALED NEXT MONTH BY COROCORO

Source: http://corocoro.tv/next/

Says that they'll be revealing all the stages and characters for the 3DS version as a way for players to "study up" on Smash 3DS before it comes out. Dunno if they'll really be showing everything, though...

 

[Jurassic Munson]

I am surprised Nintendo is poised to leave Professor Layton out. I'd love to get a final smash and hear the famous "Here's my guess!"

I am also surprised Karts haven't been announced as items.

 

[BGBW]

I don't think all the characters revealed are going to be starting characters. Some obvious ones like Pac Man and Mega Man would surely need to be unlocked.

Well Luigi was revealed with the acknowledgement that it is unusual to reveal secret characters but YoL made for an exception. The fact Sakurai stated this has made some believe that all first party characters, minus Luigi, are part of the starting roster.

 

[Aβydoς]

Iwata vs Reggie trailer is that kind of stupid that can come out only of a genius' ass.
You must be especially brilliant to make something that idiotic.
I'm serious.

 

[Jintor]

Also, really prophetic post from that thread:

duckroll hasn't changed lol

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I am surprised Nintendo is poised to leave Professor Layton out. I'd love to get a final smash and hear the famous "Here's my guess!"

I don't think Nintendo owns Layton, they just publish it internationally.

 

[Aβydoς]

I don't think Nintendo owns Layton, they just publish it internationally.

Their very good relationship with Level-5 though...
I would totally sacrifice a couple of the revealed newcomers for Layton.

 

[Zevenberge]

so bayonetta 2 doesn't get any indication of any nudity whatsoever but smash 4 does ò-ò?

Zero Suit Samus is more Zero Suit than Bayonetta.

 

[Distresssss]

Just woke up and saw PotD. It's almost like Mashpotato Samurai watches this thread.

I knew Lucina would be her own slot. Can't wait to main her.

 

[Jintor]

Their very good relationship with Level-5 though...
I would totally sacrifice a couple of the revealed newcomers for Layton.

u gotta be kidding me

phoenix wright first

 

[Dusk Golem]

We're at 36 characters for the roster right now. Predict how many characters you think the final roster will hold.

40 is looking likely, but I'm holding onto my long-tested belief it'll be 48-50.

 

[kuroneko0509]

Their very good relationship with Level-5 though...
I would totally sacrifice a couple of the revealed newcomers for Layton.

Phoenix >> Layton

 

[RagnarokX]

I was just watching the Gamexplain analysis and noticed a major detail they overlooked.

When Robin is charging his thunder spell his tome changes from this:

Elthunder?

to this:

Arcthunder?

to this:

Thoron?

The lightning bolt on the tome increases the number of zigzags as the spell being cast becomes more powerful until it becomes a circle with a cross, which can also be seen in a screenshot of Robin using a fire spell, probably meaning that's the full charge symbol for all spells. Also the color of charge energy changes from yellow towards red each time the spell being cast changes.


Or perhaps the circle with cross symbol is arcthunder, since arcfire is the only fire spell we know of and the fire tome has the same circle with cross symbol in a screenshot, and we haven't seen the symbol for thoron.

 

[Jintor]

I just rewatched all the trailers and I think probably, in terms of specifically made-for-trailer animation, the Fire Emblem trailer is pretty much the GOAT.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

duckroll hasn't changed lol

It's even funnier/sadder when you consider how much clout the Famitsu 40/40 has lost since Brawl came out. I mean, you know you can stop taking an accolade seriously when it's handed out to Final Fantasy XIII-2.

 

[ryanofcall]

We're at 36 characters for the roster right now. Predict how many characters you think the final roster will hold.

40 is looking likely, but I'm holding onto my long-tested belief it'll be 48-50.

Unlockable Characters have always been kept secret until PostRelease. For Melee and Brawl.
I think there's at least as many secret/unlockable characters as in Brawl wich was 14 minus Snake and Sonic (Were the only announced unlockables) - so 12
now we're at 36, right? 2 new 3rd party characters (the only announced unlockables?), too so we're at 12 + at least one more with a video PreRelease because:

"Looks like we're nearing the bottom of the stash of new challenger videos that we've made."

So it's at least 13 more characters, which brings us to at least 49 maybe 48 if Sonic is an unlockable again.

So, personally I'm thinking 50 +/-2

 

[Jaeger]

Final roster number will be 45.

 

[Aβydoς]

u gotta be kidding me

phoenix wright first

Phoenix >> Layton

 

[Zevenberge]

I'd also think at or around 45. a x b -1 seems likely, as the one slot will be reserved for random. So that would make 44 more likely than 45.

 

[Distresssss]

Final roster number will be 45.

Nah, I think it'll definitely be higher.

Just with Falco, Lucas, Ganondorf, Ness, Jigglypuff, Wolf, Wario, Rob, Game and Watch that already puts it at 45+ and now that Lucina was revealed I fully expect all of those old characters to be inlcuded.

 

[ryanofcall]

u gotta be kidding me

phoenix wright first

I always wanted Phoenix in Smash...

Spoiler

but tbh I was thinking as an AT.

 

[kuroneko0509]

I was just watching the Gamexplain analysis and noticed a major detail they overlooked.

When Robin is charging his thunder spell his tome changes from this:

Elthunder

to this:

Arcthunder

to this:

Thoron

The lightning bolt on the tome increases the number of zigzags as the spell being cast becomes more powerful until it becomes a circle with a cross, which can also be seen in a screenshot of Robin using a fire spell, probably meaning that's the full charge symbol for all spells. Also the color of charge energy changes from yellow towards red each time the spell being cast changes.

nice findings. I like the way they change the tome for different spell rank

 

[mrhej]

I just rewatched all the trailers and I think probably, in terms of specifically made-for-trailer animation, the Fire Emblem trailer is pretty much the GOAT.

I really like the Rosalina trailer just because nobody knew if it was a smash trailer during the direct. Hell I thought Kirby was going to be in Mario Kart.

 

[BGBW]

Nearing the bottom can mean over half way so with Pacman we had nine trailers (counting Miis). So if nine was the tipping point then one could expect at most eight more trailers. Yesterday's revealed two new comers (an exception to the rule), so with seven trailers left at most one could hope for at least 14(!) more new comers if each revealed two new comers.

#UltraOptimism

 

[Jintor]

I really like the Rosalina trailer just because nobody knew if it was a smash trailer during the direct. Hell I thought Kirby was going to be in Mario Kart.

that would also have been great tho

I'm impressed Nintendo has resisted the urge to just make MK into Smash Kart. I mean, imagine the stage designs.

 

[Golnei]

Clearly, they should take after PLvsAA's concept art and use Dark Layton and Wonder Phoenix.

 

[Qurupeke]

Lucina's a clone? Completely okay. Also, that attention to detail with the mark of Naga.... Wow.

And nice to see the final roster so soon.I guess only one newcomer is coming or maybe none as I can't see them revealing 2 or more like that.

 

[Golnei]

Lucina's a clone? Completely okay. Also, that attention to detail with the mark of Naga.... Wow.

And nice to see the final roster so soon.I guess only one newcomer is coming or maybe none as I can't see them revealing 2 or more like that.

It's entirely possible we'll only see the starting roster revealed then, considering what happened with Brawl. I think we could still have 2-5 newcomers left.

 

[ryanofcall]

that would also have been great tho

I'm impressed Nintendo has resisted the urge to just make MK into Smash Kart. I mean, imagine the stage designs.

Maybe they did. They just didn't tell us so far.
Amiibo for Mario Kart 8
jk. But dat Ganons Castle instead of Bowsers Castle

 

[NeonZ]

that would also have been great tho

I'm impressed Nintendo has resisted the urge to just make MK into Smash Kart. I mean, imagine the stage designs.

I don't think the Mario Kart crew wants that. They barely create tracks based on other Mario games as things are.

 

[Jintor]

But don't you want to race Ridley over Brinstar

 

[BGBW]

I don't think the Mario Kart crew wants that. They barely create tracks based on other Mario games as things are.

Yeah, apparently even the Miis were pushing it.

 

[mrhej]

that would also have been great tho

I'm impressed Nintendo has resisted the urge to just make MK into Smash Kart. I mean, imagine the stage designs.

I have a feeling we are going to be able use some of the Smash Bros Amiibo's for Mario Kart. I don't know why, I just feel that's what they hinted at during E3.

 

[Jaeger]

Nah, I think it'll definitely be higher.

Just with Falco, Lucas, Ganondorf, Ness, Jigglypuff, Wolf, Wario, Rob, Game and Watch that already puts it at 45+ and now that Lucina was revealed I fully expect all of those old characters to be inlcuded.

I forgot about how many havnt been revealed yet. We may get 50 out here.

 

[Golnei]

But don't you want to race Ridley over Brinstar

I'd rather race on Ridley.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

that would also have been great tho

I'm impressed Nintendo has resisted the urge to just make MK into Smash Kart. I mean, imagine the stage designs.

I think it's because Mario Kart's a little too cartoony for some franchises to fit in.

 

[NotLiquid]

I really like the Rosalina trailer just because nobody knew if it was a smash trailer during the direct. Hell I thought Kirby was going to be in Mario Kart.

I don't know if the Smash Bros ident at the start was in the Direct the trailer was in but I must have missed it the first time around.

My reaction in order to that trailer

"OH SHIT KIRBY AIR RIDE 2 MY DREAMS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED"
"Oh. Goddammit. Mario characters. Kirby's probably just a cameo in Kart 8."
"Oh look, it's Rosalina."
"Wait. That's the splash screen from Smash. OH SHIT ROSY IN SMASH"
"... where the fuck is my Kirby Air Ride 2"

 

[ryanofcall]

I'm still pretty sure we'll get a "different" kind of Smash Spin-Off in 2015/2016 to further support Amiibo.
Like TW101 was supposed to be.

 

[ryanofcall]

I'd rather race on Ridley.

What if that's what Amiibos do. Unlock the characters as Karts in MK8 - like the Wiggler xD

 

[IntelliHeath]

We're at 36 characters for the roster right now. Predict how many characters you think the final roster will hold.

40 is looking likely, but I'm holding onto my long-tested belief it'll be 48-50.

Actually, we have 38 characters if you are counting all 3 Mii.

I was just watching the Gamexplain analysis and noticed a major detail they overlooked.

The lightning bolt on the tome increases the number of zigzags as the spell being cast becomes more powerful until it becomes a circle with a cross, which can also be seen in a screenshot of Robin using a fire spell, probably meaning that's the full charge symbol for all spells. Also the color of charge energy changes from yellow towards red each time the spell being cast changes.

I really like that kind of detail, and I'm even more excited about Robin.

Final roster number will be 45.

Want to avatar bet? :3

 

[Jintor]

"... where the fuck is my Kirby Air Ride 2"

end of wii u life cycle maybe

 

[Golnei]

What if that's what Amiibos do. Unlock the characters as Karts in MK8 - like the Wiggler xD

...It'd fit in better than the Mercedes, at least.

 

[ryanofcall]

I don't know if the Smash Bros ident at the start was in the Direct the trailer was in but I must have missed it the first time around.

My reaction in order to that trailer

"OH SHIT KIRBY AIR RIDE 2 MY DREAMS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED"
"Oh. Goddammit. Mario characters. Kirby's probably just a cameo in Kart 8."
"Oh look, it's Rosalina."
"Wait. That's the splash screen from Smash. OH SHIT ROSY IN SMASH"
"... where the fuck is my Kirby Air Ride 2"

They could do the same for Shulk in a Direct.
-Oh damn nice! Shulk's in Xenoblade X!
-Wait is this.. SHULK SMASH!

 

[Qurupeke]

It's entirely possible we'll only see the starting roster revealed then, considering what happened with Brawl. I think we could still have 2-5 newcomers left.

Hopefully, but Sakurai said that they almost finished with the newcomers so something like 4 or 5 would be quite a lot. But I guess Chorus Kids and Shulk, and maybe even Mewtwo could work.

 

[Dusk Golem]

Actually, we have 38 characters if you are counting all 3 Mii.

This is true, hmn... I'm not sure, should they or do they count as separate?

 

[kuroneko0509]

...It'd fit in better than the Mercedes, at least.

See Sakurai, Ridley isn't that big, so put him in Smash.

 

[Jintor]

I'm imagining mechon assist trophies or xenoblade items

Riki and Melia are my AT picks

 

[ryanofcall]

...It'd fit in better than the Mercedes, at least.

So true, but Nintendo was bragging about how nice that went for them lately, weren't they?
So what brands are you predicting for Smash(-Items)?

 

[ryanofcall]

I'm imagining mechon assist trophies or xenoblade items

Riki and Melia are my AT picks

Rikki'd be such an awesome AT!
Gotta get REYN TIME in Smash somehow, too though.

 

[Rychu Supadude]

It's interesting that the general reaction to nonchalantly dropping an update with a RAYMAN trophy was "wow, that's interesting, but the reveal is still gonna be Shulk, that's too obvious". He was clearly foreshadowing the fact that our expectations were about to be blasted away like last week's leftover Team Rocket, and we completely failed to pick up on it.

If Rayman's trophy turns out to not have been leading up to Ubisoft representation, or third-party cameos, or anything major at all, then I will laugh my ass off every time I collect it in the middle of a completely ordinary Trophy Smasher game. Sometimes "wut" moments do come true!