What does that have to do with Dark Pit's character in uprising and smash 4 though? Some fighting game characters tend to jave weird origins, like "error macro"
Dark Pit his own character in Uprising and has at least 2 different moves from Pit.
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What does that have to do with Dark Pit's character in uprising and smash 4 though? Some fighting game characters tend to jave weird origins, like "error macro"
Dark Pit his own character in Uprising and has at least 2 different moves from Pit.
KelpPlankton
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People need a thing to pick on as an example of "Sakurai makes bad decisions!" and they have decided Dark Pit is their champion for this cause, despite being a cool character in his source game and looking to be a pretty good character in Smash 4 who has roughly as much variation from Pit as Falco does from Fox
That side-B super armor is beastly
That side-B super armor is beastly
Can someone tell me what's different between Pit and Dark Pit once and for all? It seems like I always miss when the latter's being played on stream and thus any chance of understanding just how "clone" he is. 
On a tangent, I know Falco post Melee has been a mixed bag, but I REALLY like his combination of normals and specials in Smash 4. That double flash kick up smash is really speaking to me. How's he faring overall people who've put time into him?
On a tangent, I know Falco post Melee has been a mixed bag, but I REALLY like his combination of normals and specials in Smash 4. That double flash kick up smash is really speaking to me. How's he faring overall people who've put time into him?
KelpPlankton
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Can someone tell me what's different between Pit and Dark Pit once and for all? It seems like I always miss when the latter's being played on stream and thus any chance of understanding just how "clone" he is.
On a tangent, I know Falco post Melee has been a mixed bag, but I REALLY like his combination of normals and specials in Smash 4. That double flash kick up smash is really speaking to me. How's he faring overall people who've put time into him?
Dark Pit has some of Pit's A button attacks from Brawl, his side-B has super armor, and overall he's slower but stronger than Pit. There's a number of other differences on his B moves, I think his up-B goes higher but might not deal damage? But those are the big ones. He's less of a clone than Lucina for sure.
I'm not kidding when I say his side-B is really good.
Falco has been kind of nerfed is what I'm hearing, particularly there's more startup time on a few of his A moves and overall he's just not as great as he used to be. But I don't know for sure.
Blooddimond
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I didn't realize he was more like brawl pit, I only saw him on launch at like midnight so could barely pay attention from being dead tired. That actually sounds like a solid set of changes for a clone
Is his side-B Upperdash Arm as well? Also Pit's Wings of Icarus (up B) does damage as well as having that recovery distance?
Holy shit, this was way more dramatic and entertaining than the last seasons of Dexter and True Blood.
The only mystery left unsolved is the Ridley/Dixie Kong/Chorus Kids/Mewtwo part which even the people involved could not explain. It's getting closer and closer to a positive outlook.
Nintendojitsu
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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U POTD Thread 17 : The calm before the storm
tonyh24613
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I think even if Sakurai didn't choose to make playable Black Pit as a Pit clone, he'd rather make Medusa as a Palutena clone, or Hades as a Ganondorf clone. lol
Alright, done streaming for today. Thanks for playing with me Hatchtag, Serebii Joe, and Speedwagon.
Now on to what we're all here for...
Tier list speculation! >
Come on, it's fun, don't be a square and shut this down with "the game's not even out yet! :U" I'm only going to include characters who I am very confident of their tier list placement. I think Shulk is a bad character, but he might have hidden potential so I'm leaving him out.
TIER A
Bowser Jr - Basically a boss character. He has so many tools.
TIER B
Villager - The new Snake. Gonna be my main.
Robin - Can't do long combo strings but can go in for the kill while the opponent is trapped by Elfire.
Sheik - Smash 4 is a tilt focused game and Sheik is in it.
Zero Suit Samus - Her new shortrange attack prowess outweigh her nerfs.
Pikachu - Great normals and recovery.
Mario - Combos like a champ. Did a 10 hit combo with him today. I think he's better than Doctor Mario.
TIER C
Captain Falcon - Some of his combo moves have been turned into dedicated finishers. Has a lot of trouble with approach and his recovery sucks as usual.
Falco - His groundgame seems okay and his upsmash is quick. His Dair has like 15 frame startup and like 15 frame endlag and has a tiny spike hitbox. Why?
Luigi - Decent airgame. WTF did they do to his Up-B sweetspot?
TIER D
Little Mac - Get him in the air and he's in trouble. Get him off the stage and he's done.
Mega Man - Cannot combo at all and his close range game is awful. Might have hidden potential as a keep-away character, but his projectiles aren't really that good so don't count on it.
Now on to what we're all here for...
Tier list speculation! >
Come on, it's fun, don't be a square and shut this down with "the game's not even out yet! :U" I'm only going to include characters who I am very confident of their tier list placement. I think Shulk is a bad character, but he might have hidden potential so I'm leaving him out.
TIER A
Bowser Jr - Basically a boss character. He has so many tools.
TIER B
Villager - The new Snake. Gonna be my main.
Robin - Can't do long combo strings but can go in for the kill while the opponent is trapped by Elfire.
Sheik - Smash 4 is a tilt focused game and Sheik is in it.
Zero Suit Samus - Her new shortrange attack prowess outweigh her nerfs.
Pikachu - Great normals and recovery.
Mario - Combos like a champ. Did a 10 hit combo with him today. I think he's better than Doctor Mario.
TIER C
Captain Falcon - Some of his combo moves have been turned into dedicated finishers. Has a lot of trouble with approach and his recovery sucks as usual.
Falco - His groundgame seems okay and his upsmash is quick. His Dair has like 15 frame startup and like 15 frame endlag and has a tiny spike hitbox. Why?
Luigi - Decent airgame. WTF did they do to his Up-B sweetspot?
TIER D
Little Mac - Get him in the air and he's in trouble. Get him off the stage and he's done.
Mega Man - Cannot combo at all and his close range game is awful. Might have hidden potential as a keep-away character, but his projectiles aren't really that good so don't count on it.
ArchedThunder
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At least those characters would have unique models.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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What are dark pit's alts? Can he be regular pit? As stupid as that may sound..
This would have been an S tier clone inclusion imo.
KelpPlankton
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It's the same animation but it uses a different weapon from Uprising, a big electrical construction equipment looking one. I don't actually know about the up B thing in detail, someone else needs to fill you in there, I heard someone mention it offhandedly on a stream.
Lord Phol
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I'm looking forward to seeing all clones analyzed to see what really makes them different from their counterparts. Judging by what we've seen, they almost feel like the cloniest clones in the series so far. Different customized moves would set them apart though if that's a thing.
Like in Melee, Doc cannot combo as well as Mario but has better finishers.
Why's everyone saying Mega Man's not good? I've been playing him to death in the demo and I think he's great. He is so much fun to play with. His back air is really good and his standard A is great for keeping people away from you, giving you more control over the fight (not for approaching though). His smash attack is great as well. I love the range. Villager on the other hand, to me at least, is too weird and I can't figure him out. I can't figure out what his best set up and KO moves are. His forward smash is too short ranged, his up smash doesn't do much knockback, his down smash is difficult for me to land, I just can't figure him out...
Can anyone comment on this?
Might order it if I hear some good feedback on here, because at it stands... I cannot play Smash 3DS for more than 10 mins without my fingers getting uncomfy and cramping.
This looks like it would help it fit in my hand better, but I do not want to end up with a cheap piece of shit. It's for the XL. Cannot wait for the new models, I wanna C-stick so bad.
Might order it if I hear some good feedback on here, because at it stands... I cannot play Smash 3DS for more than 10 mins without my fingers getting uncomfy and cramping.
This looks like it would help it fit in my hand better, but I do not want to end up with a cheap piece of shit. It's for the XL. Cannot wait for the new models, I wanna C-stick so bad.
Not a lot of new songs though.
what's the product called? looks good.
Everybody forgets about our boy... ;_;
The_Intruder
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I guess lot of new songs will be in the wiiu version.
Nocturnowl
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Musical representation is just as skewered as the stage representation, not too surprising really but still pretty disappointing, they couldn't even wing one new Metroid, Wario or Yoshi track in there when they're lobbing multiple new Zelda mixes in for Smash Run?
The good thing is that what remixes are in there sound of a higher calibre than Brawl for the most part and the fact that the Wii U version should be all accounts be delivering the musical goods.
Usual corporate line is not to comment on rumour and speculation. Nintendo hardly ever comments on rumoured release dates.
Now? The joke was made when the name Wii U was first revealed.
Either there's a slot on the CSS used for "DLC" and pushing it lists the DLC characters or the CSS moves around a bit again to add the space.
Not75Drops
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Benzychenz
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Neither will Ice Climbers, Mewtwo, Snake, Lucas, Wolf, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Ridley, Dixie, Impa, K Rool or Isaac
HawthorneKitty
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Sweet, can't wait for Rosetta & Chiko.
I still think that in a game with as many weapons as KI:U has, it's ridiculous to give the same ones to both Pit and Dark Pit.
Especially when Dark Pit has his own weapon which he only uses in his final smash.
Lol wat. Pikachu's thunder kills at like 100% if you connect the sweetspot. And you don't want to use thunder in sudden death anyways. Use quick attack, second hit of that kills in sudden death.
Pika is so much better than in Brawl. Can combo far better and offstage gimping is a thing of beauty since quick attack can save you almost from the blast line.
Just because Thunder Spamming without hitting the sweetspot is less viable the character isnt worse.
TheSlySoul
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Koopa is an enemy in Smash Run though.
You also forgot Lucina's Japanese pronunciation (lu-kee-na).
Edit: Mega-Man is not Tier D. I would say C from the demo. Pikachu and Villager both C and Link and Mario B. Villager can be B if you spam cheap tricks, but ehhhh...
Corrected that for you.
Many Japanese requested characters weren't included.
He isn't "out of touch", he just doesn't capitulate to rabid fans
Serious question: is there a japanese Ridley? A highly requested non-main character that apparently can't get in, no matter how vocal the fans are?
Besides that who are the japanese fan favourites?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Waaaattt..!? I think pikachu is the best hes ever been since 64 I can the hits he putting in like before
hello ;P
Ipsoclipso
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Well here's Lucas
Pikachu feels far weaker to me. His standard a attacks seems slightly stronger, but all of his Smash attacks are completely lacking in kill potential. I constantly struggle to get kills even over 150%, which wasn't a problem in Brawl at all. You also can't do two a attacks in one jump like Brawl could.
His side-b seems to move further, which makes recovery easier, but the thunder is super weak now, it doesn't seem as tall, and the hitbox is tiny. His Final Smash is useless at killing too.
TheSlySoul
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Watching Cyber play online. Slide show matches are gone! Online is functional.
Nintendojitsu
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link?
1. Huh? Pikachu's Final Smash is nothing short of awesome. Very easy to control and you just keep the enemy in complete hitstun until you've blasted him out of a blast zone of your choice. Far better than in Brawl where the knockback was enough to blast enemies out of your reach but not far enough to KO them, so they just could run away.
EDIT: Also just tested: Uncharged F-Smash killed at 100% from the ledge of Battlefield.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Spinosaurus
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That's not really where you want to get a kill at, though. Plus AI's DI is weird.
Unless you're using Link I feel chasing and killing off stage is what you should do with the demo characters because of the large blast zones.
Yeah, I also got most kills offstage. But Smashes at the ledge were what got my enemies offstage pretty often (that or Pikachus aerials *-*), so getting a kill there at 100% isn't too shabby
EDIT: Especially easy to gimp CPU Villager there with Thunder or F-Smash since Villager likes to ride Gyroid near the upper blast zone and ends up dropping near the ledge in a helpless state XD
theprodigy
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I think that assumes you can actually get off a completely fresh F-smash to being with
I think that assumes you can actually get off a completely fresh F-smash to being with
C-Stick is a crutch
No idea if that's what your sentence is supposed to tell me lol. Or do you just think it's too hard to hit with F-Smash in the first place lol
Getting Wii u version day one and skipping 3ds version as I already planned. I posted this in a few threads but the 3ds demo pretty much cemented my initial plan.
I'm impressed by the performance and the look of the 3ds version. It also plays fine for a few rounds but then the cramps come in and it starts feeling awkward for me. Can't justify paying extra 45 for that version especially since I'm getting the special Wii u edition
I'm impressed by the performance and the look of the 3ds version. It also plays fine for a few rounds but then the cramps come in and it starts feeling awkward for me. Can't justify paying extra 45 for that version especially since I'm getting the special Wii u edition
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