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Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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theprodigy
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wtf
please quote that image dude
please quote that image dude
I'm not afraid to admit I love the NSMB series. Graphics are fine, they fit the simplistic look of the Mario series. On an artistic level I agree they need to not crap out plains/desert/beach/snow/jungle/mountain/cloud/lava worlds over and over again. Biggest crime is soundtrack though. Make NSMB stage with 0 NSMB music and I'm happy.
JStein0222
Member
Got my Wii U! I have ensured next gen Smash Bros on day 1 
Got my Wii U! I have ensured next gen Smash Bros on day 1
Hahaha, i literally just ordered mine too
JStein0222
Member
Haha Mink our future team up will once again be Legendary.
Hours Left
Member
Hope my elegant princess is confirmed tonight.
lol, Blooper and crossbones. That is amazing.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Got my Wii U! I have ensured next gen Smash Bros on day 1
Once again, we are reunited together for a similar cause. This time, it's not playstation all stars battle royale.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
SkullHydra
Member
Ew. GameCube and Classic Pro are the way to go. (I haven't tried the Wii U Pro yet)
The U Pro is incompatible with Wii games.
I would say the Nunchuk is better than Classic Pro. That's how bad I think it is. The sticks are way too elevated. It feels like a cheap plastic toy (because it is cheap and plastic lol). Shoulder buttons are shaped in a terrible way. The only thing the Classic Pro has over the Nunchuk is the second stick. And then the regular Classic is just lol.
SkullHydra
Member
Yeah, they really did a lot of work to Wario. (Even if his down smash - down smash - forward smash combo is hella annoying)
I still like his Brawl version though, even with his spastic animations. I think they were trying to emphasize Warioware because it was pretty new and unique.
Dimitri LH
Member
slightly late Merry Christmas to Smash GAF~~!
Seems everyone is getting prepped for this game with their new consoles. X_x
Seems everyone is getting prepped for this game with their new consoles. X_x
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
For Wario, You can avoid Down Smash > Down Smash > Forward Smash. My friend managed to avoid my combo few times.
Oh really? In between down smashes? I might have to figure out the timing then. I thought it might have been a guaranteed hit like Ness double PK fire.
SkullHydra
Member
Happy Christmas to you as well. I'm just breaking in my new Wii U with some NSMBU. =P
I think it was a big mistake to focus Wario's character around a series which hinges on mini games rather than the actual character. Wario Land series (and Wario World) are character action games that show Wario has tons of cool ideas to bring to Smash. I remember him having a couple grabs in Wario World that could have made an interesting move set considering there aren't any real grapplers yet. A group of fans captured his essence more than an official release. I don't even remember what was pulled from WarioWare, was it only the motorcycle, farts, and outfit?
Edit: Oh yeah Wario Man too.
That makes me confused on why this and the Game Pad isn't.
The Game Pad can't be used to control Wii games. It can only display Wii output on the screen.
SkullHydra
Member
Bowser is a freaking BEAST in Project M. Is there any other side smash that beats Bowser's in pure damage and knockback?
I really hope we get a Dry Bowser alternate in SSB4! That's legit.
Yeah, they should've used his throws from Wario World, those were great. He can do a running grab in Project M too which is nice.
I also remember one of his moves in Brawl looked suspiciously like something from Warioware official art or an ad (possibly his up-B, but it's hard to find the exact pic).
That's Jaycee from Tekken.
Wario has far more character in the ware games than land.
The land games fun and mechanically sound.
But ware is a good ol' time, and I think that is why sakurai likes it more. Wario wasn't just not mario, wario became something else when ware came around. he had is own friends, and his own style of humor. It was a cool deal, and I think him being a weird character makes far more unique moveset than just his platforming stuff. I know there is nostalgia there, but honestly fuck it. I like what brawl has, its unique good character design.
Your argument seems to keep stemming from things that LOOk like fighting games moves, and as a person who loves Pheonix Wright in marvel, it does not have to look like a fighting game move.
SkullHydra
Member
Did you lose another avatar bet?
Everything related to Wario in Brawl was weird, choose to embrace goofy WarioWare version then turn him into a villain that stalks and kidnaps kids. I really hope we see a different take on the character in this game.
Phoenix Wright in Marvel is also weird. Evidence mechanic and stances are cool, but random ass beams and ghost fingers are odd. I guess the most important thing is that someone feels 'in' character. Got that with PW, not really with Wario.
It is in character, you can not like wario ware wario, but that is wario.
Falco and Wolf should be cut to air out the roster, reflecting the condition of the franchise. Out of respect, Falco is moved towards a team summon final smash where Fox calls in his team for an air raid with some dialogue. Wolf can be an assist or level cameo. They are both not unique in presentation, all space animals from the same game with quick differences.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, he dodged/rolled out of specific timing right after down smash. I'm trying to figure it out too since he rarely use it against me in the past. I always use that combo against him so he learned how to roll out of the combo.
You didn't learn your lesson after last time, did you?
*sighs*
To actually address your point, It'd be nice but It's a lot of work and money for something that isn't much more than a convenience.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Game Pad and U controller doesn't work in wii mode.
I consider controllers for the console I'm playing on to work with backwards compatibility a necessity to be quite honest. PS3 did it with the PS3 controller and PS1/PS2 games, Xbox 360 did it with the Xbox 360 controller and Xbox games, and even 3DS does it using the Circle Pad with DS games in DS mode.
NOPE
1) People like those characters
2) Captain falcon would be removed
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What even is this/
Umm yeah can't agree with cutting them just for the sake of it and they are plenty unique especially wolf.
The Bankslammer
Member
It's that his double jump is based on this piece of artwork, right?
Anyways I like Wario's moveset. His Land moveset (from what I can surmise, I've only played some of 4) primarily consists of transformations (which would really be a nightmare to model for), and his standard moves from Land are generally pretty well represented from what I can tell (I really only know the dash and the ground pound off the top of my head, and the former is his side smash and the latter is down throw, right?).
Other than that, he has his moves from World, which... I would say the Smash team isn't alone in forgetting, when it comes to representation in games. That's the only qualm that I have off the top of me head, really. I haven't played it, but my understanding of the game is that it's a brawler of sorts and probably has lots of physical moves Wario could use. He has enough relatively plain standard moves that I think a few World moves could fit in to his moveset.
Still, this is the perspective of someone who really likes WarioWare and hasn't really played his platformers, so take it as you will. I think his Brawl moveset generally does a good job of reflecting his personality, and a decent job of reflecting his moveset from past games.
Ah thanks. That's what I was thinking of. Another little reference Sakurai put in there.
It is Wario in the sense that Ganondorf in Smash is Ganondorf. Doesn't mean it is an accurate portrayal of the character. I'm not saying every single move needs to be pulled from a source game, but at the same time I like the feeling of seeing someone like Mega Man ripped from his NES games, or Yoshi from Yoshi's Island, Samus from Super Metroid, etc. All I get from Wario is that Sakurai was bored and didn't care for him in Wario Land so decided to embrace the comedy and randomness of WarioWare by making the character completely bonkers in many aspects.
The character takes all his cues from WarioWare, with a few references to Wario Land. He's very much Wario, even if you dislike his WarioWare rendition.