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The Flash S2 |OT2| Jays of Future Past - Tuesdays 8/7c
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My favourite thing from Flashpoint won't be in season three
Thomas Wayne as Batman
They'll probably have Oliver's dad come back and play evil Arrow or something
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
The worst thing about the post-Walking Dead/Game of Thrones era of TV is that it's convinced viewers that the only way to resolve a character's story is to brutally kill them.
Seriously, everyone is obsessed with death now.
Seriously, everyone is obsessed with death now.
Permanently A
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You guys are totally right about Barry's character regressing but I stopped giving a fuck about his stupid ass a long time ago. Just happy to have flashpoint.
this pretty much
i occasionally give barry a pass on his stupidity because sometimes it gives us awesome things like this (flashpoint) and other times it's his only weakness so we wouldn't really have a show otherwise
still frustrating most of the time tho
ErrorMacro
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I liked the finally, it wasn't amazing but it was decent. What I didn't like is how
ended up going away without barely speaking to Barry.
Jay Garrick
Well he's already died, so..,
Barry was clearly upset about the deal with his dad, it makes sense that he was avoiding Jay. Jay had no idea he was Henry's doppleganger
Napoleonthechimp
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Just some thoughts (I may have already brought up some of these points):
Barry is an idiot. Last episode he thought the speedforce was always with him and that everything will work out, despite the fact that it told him to accept loss (implying that he will lose from time to time).
Then after Zoom gets taken away to speedforce hell for meddling with time Barry then decides to change the past despite the fact that his nemesis (RF) explicitly told him to save his mother back in season 1 (which should set off red flags) AND his future self told him not to do it.
This is in addition to him messing with time on other occasions. At this point Barry deserves to get his shit turned inside out.
Also, what was with Jay's helmet being lopsided when he went through the portal. Couldn't they redo that shot?
lol
Speedforce: "Barry, being The Flash means you're going to have to accept loss."
Barry: "I'm invincible!"
Speedforce: "..."
Barry is an idiot. Last episode he thought the speedforce was always with him and that everything will work out, despite the fact that it told him to accept loss (implying that he will lose from time to time).
Then after Zoom gets taken away to speedforce hell for meddling with time Barry then decides to change the past despite the fact that his nemesis (RF) explicitly told him to save his mother back in season 1 (which should set off red flags) AND his future self told him not to do it.
This is in addition to him messing with time on other occasions. At this point Barry deserves to get his shit turned inside out.
Also, what was with Jay's helmet being lopsided when he went through the portal. Couldn't they redo that shot?
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lol
Speedforce: "Barry, being The Flash means you're going to have to accept loss."
Barry: "I'm invincible!"
Speedforce: "..."
This show.
THIS BLOODY SHOW.
What is the point of that mask revelation, the ending and EVERYTHING THAT EVER HAPPENED EVER.
Is Felicity that bad in Arrow S3 and S4. I loved her in S1 and S2. And her mom's there as well?
THIS BLOODY SHOW.
What is the point of that mask revelation, the ending and EVERYTHING THAT EVER HAPPENED EVER.
Is Felicity that bad in Arrow S3 and S4. I loved her in S1 and S2. And her mom's there as well?
That's an understatement and yeah everyone loved her in s1 and s2. arrow is like the perfect case study in 100% complete and perfect character assassination.
Ollie went from a sociopath with some cool moves and clever tricks to a dumbass like Barry who shoots his bow (non-lethally) once in a blue moon. Felicity went from the quirky comic relief IT girl to the central character in a soap opera. Slade went from the badass frenemy who made a promise to getting his shit kicked in by Thea Queen as a villain of the week. Walter disappeared. There's much more, but the list would be too long and start to look like an essay.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Napoleonthechimp
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It's a nod to something the comic book Jay does:
My 12 year old nephew guessed as much but it just looked weird.
Enjoyed the episode despite some dumb decisions they made regarding how to beat Zoom. But everything was worth because of that ending. I don't know how much it will affect the other shows, but HOLY SHIT. If this means a soft reboot for Arrow and the inclusion of Supergirl in the same earth, I am so in.
Overall season was weaker than the first one, but the high points continue to be so fucking high that I don't care. Can't wait for S3.
Overall season was weaker than the first one, but the high points continue to be so fucking high that I don't care. Can't wait for S3.
She's intolerable. The over-acting in every scene would be bad enough but the character herself is just a constant blackhole of joy, leaving nothing but tiresome drama behind. And her fucking mother is beyond awful. Originally played as a stereotypical dumb blonde, they decided to make her a nosey self righteous shrew too. She exists to tell people vastly smarter and more informed than her what to do, throw guilt trip pity parties to get attention while the world is ending, and be a generally unpleasant and argumentative twit who fills every scene with her idiotic chatter.
Unspeakable Evil
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Its time for a Wally season and then a Jessie season. Then they have a kid and he/she has a season.
Flash's Bizzare Adventure
Miles Quaritch
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Huh, so we're getting Flashpoint next season or maybe something close to it? I can't imagine them doing it any justice whatsoever on a TV budget, but I'm interested to see what twist they'll put on it.
It's also got me curious if the Flash movie will be Flashpoint based too. Seems the show is trying to get everything established/out of the way before the movie comes along. Zoom, Reverse Flash, Rogues, Kid Flash and now Flashpoint...
It's also got me curious if the Flash movie will be Flashpoint based too. Seems the show is trying to get everything established/out of the way before the movie comes along. Zoom, Reverse Flash, Rogues, Kid Flash and now Flashpoint...
Glass Rebel
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Man. Maaaan. Barry doesn't even know how badly he fucked up.
Been saying this for a while now but it became super apparent when talking to people about Civil War and the lack of steak.
Been saying this for a while now but it became super apparent when talking to people about Civil War and the lack of steak.
tkscz
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Everything was perfect until that ending.
unless they surprise us next season or it takes 1 episode to fix (which it can but as we have seen, they can stretch shit).
Yeah this is getting really annoying. You can have steaks and suspense without killing everyone. I understand why they had to do it in Arrow (damn you DC Movieverse).
That pure 180 that Barry did was just stupid and made all of season 2 pointless
Yeah this is getting really annoying. You can have steaks and suspense without killing everyone. I understand why they had to do it in Arrow (damn you DC Movieverse).
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Why? Flashpoint sucks.
Well, we know what that four episode crossover event's gonna be now.
I like how they don't even rescue him, they just have him there after Zoom is defeated.
right? he's just randomly there. this finale was such a mess
Before the final act I was liking it, even if the initial plan was stupid. Only Wally was smart.
Zeouterlimits
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If they just had reversed the end of season 2 with season 1 (so Barry saving his mum last season) and so season 2 / Flashpoint w/e ends with Barry inevitably undoing it, at which point season 3 has Zoom learning about the breach, I'd be much happier.
tkscz
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No. By the time Zoom showed up (which was Wally's Reverse Flash) Crisis had already happened and everyone knew who the real Jay was.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Yeah, without the scene of Barry running over to Earth-2 and grabbing the man in the mask I had no idea what was going on.
I'm still adrift actually, lost in the void. Shapes no longer have meaning.
I'm still adrift actually, lost in the void. Shapes no longer have meaning.
Good example: Better Call Saul. One of the most intense shows where nearly no one ever dies.
However, this has been happening in comics for a long time. It's just not just a post-Walking Dead/Game of Thrones thing. Also in those shows it isn't nearly as telegraphed as it is in this show.
Dominican Power
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Barry is so dumb. I'm tried of it.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Flashpoint across four episodes with Kara subbing for imprisoned Superman, Oliver's old man subbing for Oliver, Moira subbing for Joker, Vibe subbing for Cyborg and, um, Ra's and Deathstroke subbing for WW and Aquaman.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
We're not talking about the death of character during a story, that's been happening since the beginning of literature.
We're talking about the audience's expectations of people dying and the seemingly recent need for every character you don't like to die.
Permanently A
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actually flashpoint is great thanks
Just_myles
Member
Coffee Dog said:
Yup. Pretty much. How they went out of their way to explain how Barry created the time doppelganger was hilarious.
They are way too loose with time and it's getting kinda silver agey for me.
It wasn't really necessary but for this to be such a big reveal it shouldnt feel like they wasted it as an afterthought. It goes straight from the end of the fight to this supposed big moment.
PHOENIXZERO
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Did someone say Silver Age?
I liked everything in the finale except him traveling back in time and rescuing his freaking mother. WTF. He is an idiot. I want to punch him. God I hope the speedforce kicks his ass.
we will never know.
we will never know.
Dominican Power
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dbl.
Dominican Power
Member
Wouldn't killing yourself in the past kill you in the future?
not if you're the flash. honestly they keep it vague because the whole thing does not work. but I'm actually alright with it..now the mother thing..THAT ANNOYS THE SHIT out of me.
sry for screaming
u never do that? I run around the sofa. changes everything.
Just_myles
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Dominican Power said:
That's just it. I assume he went forward in time as he can't possibly grab his past self. Also if I follow their logic, this would explain why Barry "disappears" in the future, making Gideon's news report in season 1 be true. However, since this show plays it very loose with time, Barry doing the whole flashpoint bit could change things drastically once he "repairs" what he broke.
we had an entire episode dedicated to him accepting his mothers death and moving on
Yeah and just when he thinks he's okay with it he loses his dad as well.
kylecoley182
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Nothing is going to happen on arrow tonight and people are going to be mad I can't wait
Dominican Power
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Do I have to watch the 1st season of Supergirl or are they going to reboot that also?
Maddocks
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I think the problem is that Barry is telling everyone he is not going to rush in and do something dumb in the heat of the moment, but then he goes and does just that by traveling back in time. He is doing it at a very emotional moment and not thinking long term. He just wants his happy family back.
I'm sure next season we are getting him in prison from that little sneak peak at his timeline from season 1.
But back to his choice on why he went back to save his mother. He has been though so much since he accepted her death. His dad died, he had to face laurel again, Zoom was a constant menace, and on top of it all he made a time remnant to sacrifice, just like what Zoom said he would have to do proving him right. Then he sees another flash that looks just like his dad and his brain is just melting at this point. So I get why he would in his deep dark depression of all of that say,"fuck this, I need to do something and do it now." and race off to the point that was the start of all his problems.
I'm sure next season we are getting him in prison from that little sneak peak at his timeline from season 1.
But back to his choice on why he went back to save his mother. He has been though so much since he accepted her death. His dad died, he had to face laurel again, Zoom was a constant menace, and on top of it all he made a time remnant to sacrifice, just like what Zoom said he would have to do proving him right. Then he sees another flash that looks just like his dad and his brain is just melting at this point. So I get why he would in his deep dark depression of all of that say,"fuck this, I need to do something and do it now." and race off to the point that was the start of all his problems.
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