RawkHawk2010
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purity test.
So good mate.
Well one obviously won't be allowed to say they still post here lest they be completely ostracized.
purity test.
So good mate.
How dare people think ill of a man who admitted to one count of sexual assault, covered up a revenge porn scheme, handled the current scenario so badly that his own staff walked out on him in protest and thus his forum crumbled, and then shut down any and all political discourse while GG pisses on the grave.
This is what society has come to. Not giving a man a fifth chance.
I just find it incredible how in less than a week a number of members and mods decided to abandon ship and create a new forum before getting to the bottom of this case.
Understandably some Mods/Admins became victims of heavy online harassment and just didn't feel like it was worth going through. But for those who immediately decided to believe one side over the other without substantial evidence... that's disappointing.
I'll stick around and continue to get my gaming related news from here, while also keeping an eye out for any updates on the allegations against Evilore.
Logical, right. Staying here making your propaganda sure looks like what some white knight would do.It isn't a "purity test." It's a very short term solution to getting people in while also trying to keep trolls out. It's a logical decision.
There are literally people on Voat and 4chan compiling the names of people in the Discord to try and harass them.
I wasn't aware of these things until recently, but apparently other people were and so were moderators that stuck around until recently. These things happened long before this latest incident and personally I think those things are more egregious than a drunk guy reading the wrong signals and going way over the top to get with a drunk girl. So the question is why were people sticking around back then and not now?
It isn't a "purity test." It's a very short term solution to getting people in while also trying to keep trolls out. It's a logical decision.
Thanks for the statement.
I will just say this: a person is innocent, unless it is proven otherwise. And not: a person is guilty, until proven innocent. This is one of the pillars of democracy.
If what you say it's true, I hope you can clear up your accusations. If not, well: you must go down and pay for what you did.
I think that for now it makes just sense for an outsider like me to stay neutral.
I wasn't aware of these things until recently, but apparently other people were and so were moderators that stuck around until recently. These things happened long before this latest incident and personally I think those things are more egregious than a drunk guy reading the wrong signals and going way over the top to get with a drunk girl. So the question is why were people sticking around back then and not now?
Hahahahaha. Oh man... I can't breathe.
I'm still not entirely sure why so many are putting so much significance on EviLore.
Twelve+ year poster here... figured I'd give my two cents.
As a poster in the 35-40 age range, I've seen a lot in my days of community bulletin boards and forums - both as a poster and a moderator at other locations. I was a member of a thriving online community twenty damn years ago that had its own exodus and things were never the same. I was even part of the moderation team that might have been negatively responsible for that, unfortunately. I was much younger. Fortunately I've learned a thing or two since.
I've seen online communities broken due to buy-outs, administrative egos going out of control, and just straight up closing due to funding issues or sinking irrelevancy. I've seen site owners in actual tears begging for money because they mismanaged things so poorly in the online spectrum that they found themselves not even being able to pay their rent any more. I've seen bitter jealousy turn to sabotage with forum posters joining together to actively burn someone's livelihood down for no other reason than 'revenge' for bannings or differing opinions. All of these places were not nearly as large as NeoGAF.
I've known seemingly good people in power positions that did scummy things. I've known people that had reputations for being scummy grow and change for the better. The internet is a big place, filled with literally every personality type and combination of types a person can probably imagine.
Communities grow, die, but sometimes they rise from the ashes. One of the forums I referenced above? It somehow crawled through its own controversies and still exists today. It's a shell of what it was, but it's still there. People I knew from twenty years ago are still there. They seem happy. It was the ownership and the handful of posters that weathered the storm that kept it alive. Tomorrow will always come on the internet... presumably. I certainly don't think this is 'the end' of NeoGAF... not unless Tyler decides to kill it... but there is certainly a lingering change in the air. That was unavoidable.
I don't know who Tyler Malka is.
Over the years I've put things together based on posts, just like any member big or small around here, but 'good', 'bad'... I don't know. I never presume to know, either. Out of opinions formed based on posts, I can really only be sure of two facts: I do know this is his site. Those in the trenches posting on a regular basis and the hard working mods keeping the trash out might make this place, but his name is above the door. I do know that he is a person with a certain amount of 'internet celebrity' fame/baggage (whichever one might perceive it) which puts him in a position of potential public scrutiny the majority of us could never relate to or understand. It comes with the territory. Oh, that is not an excuse for bad behavior or poor decisions by annnnnny stretch, but it should also be taken into consideration in discussion. I ask myself: "How would I react if a widely spread, nasty story about me came out that I heavily disputed... but the majority of the people didn't want to hear it based on stupid fucking mistakes I made when I was younger?" Sounds like a nightmare of a situation - and it's a harrowing trend I've seen popping up more and more in the realm of social media. The court of public opinion is a powerful thing and despite all of my desperate optimism in this pessimistic world right now, many situations on the internet make it very hard for me not to buy into the reality of 'Guilty Until Proven Innocent'.
For Tyler, that might be determined legally in time. If the situation is being misrepresented, he has the right to defend his reputation, as anyone would. Unfortunately for him, at least for the time being, the swift gavel of internet justice has already shattered the block. It's up to him - and the members of this community that decide to stay - to determine any potential survival of NeoGAF. What form that might take? Time will tell.
Godspeed to those that are leaving. Some of you will be truly missed. Good luck to those that stay. Try to keep this community healthy and just.
Wow, there are some truly terrible people here. Just look at this winner.Hold on now. Why would Evilore have access to the pictures to post in the first place if the people involved didn't WANT them posted without their express permission, hmm? Ever think of that, SJWs?
People didn't know about it.
Now everyone here does.
So, you have a choice about whether or not to continue white knighting for a guy who posted revenge porn all so you can talk about video games without having to recognize the existence of black people and women.
Wait I didnt know about the Revenge porn shit.
Is that real?
Unbelievable how people join the virtual lynch mob instead of giving the man the benefit of the doubt in the face of baseless allegations. This is what society has come to.
Baseless, huh?
Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)
Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and sent it to the boyfriend.
You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM
Bingo.
If you simply can't bear to stay in the company of someone like this, you and your cat better be prepared to live a long lonely life together. Life is messy sometimes. Grow the fuck up already.
Wait I didnt know about the Revenge porn shit.
Is that real?
I wasn't aware of these things until recently, but apparently other people were and so were moderators that stuck around until recently. These things happened long before this latest incident and personally I think those things are more egregious than a drunk guy reading the wrong signals and going way over the top to get with a drunk girl. So the question is why were people sticking around back then and not now?
I'm still not entirely sure why so many are putting so much significance on EviLore. Is there a cult of personality here that I've missed all these years? I've been a member here for a good number of years and I don't know much about him other than he owns it and posts once in awhile. I would have hoped that the members here would put the community above a single person who owns the site. Why are we supposed to all lose our minds and shit on GAF because of the actions of an individual, whatever his/her role is on the site? It doesn't add up to me, why that should be the case.
The members who are tripping over themselves to ask for account deletion or whatever is especially weird. It's a sensitive issue, I get it, but good grief.
How dare people think ill of a man who admitted to one count of sexual assault, covered up a revenge porn scheme, handled the current scenario so badly that his own staff walked out on him in protest and thus his forum crumbled, and then shut down any and all political discourse while GG pisses on the grave.
This is what society has come to. Not giving a man a fifth chance.
Wow, there are some truly terrible people here. Just look at this winner.
I've read EL's explanation to the mod team... so, what I'm wondering is, why can't he have the benefit of the doubt? What if he's telling the truth and the girl is indeed "deranged" or whatever? In this particular instance, the accused had so much more to lose than the accuser. A lot of you seem to get offended by the term Social Justice Warriors, but honestly, that's what most of you are being right now... warriors itching to jump in and fight for anything they perceive as "social injustices", without giving the other party (who in your perspective are privileged and therefore guilty by virtue of being "in power and therefore in a position to take advantage of") the benefit of the doubt.
Before anyone accuses me of being alt-right (because, you know, using the term SJW automatically labels you alt-right in GAF; seriously guys, a lot of you are always rearing to pounce on people who don't agree with you) I'm not white, I'm not American, I don't have a political affiliation (it's not a thing where I'm from) and I didn't even know this "alt-right" thing until after I started reading GAF.
i love how angry people like you seem to be about resetera
So why did the mods stay here and allow that content to be deleted (if not directly participating in covering it up as they initially did with the amir0x scandal) for years? Why is the catalyst a completely unproven allegation?
Wow, there are some truly terrible people here. Just look at this winner.
He's the owner of the site and gets money from this shit?
doubtful. i'm sure you're a real piece of shit. you can't treat any woman well without treating all women well. and by ignoring the person assaulted by evilore you're doing a disservice to every woman in your life.
If you were to later have consensual sex with my sister based on these same circumstances I would say, she probably had an interest in you when you jumped in the shower balls out. You don't go from "SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, CAN'T TAKE IT, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME, ME TOO", to sex with the guy later on. It doesn't work like that. Ask real victims of sexual assault if they could see themselves having sex later on with the perp. I'm certain the answer would be no. I'm not disgusting, I'm logical.
I'm not saying I'm right in thinking that victims wouldn't later on engage in physical contact. For you comparing it to people in abusive relationships, that's an unfair comparison. It's not like Evilore and this lady were in constant contact. It's not like they were in a relationship. I don't know the whole story, and not that it's any of our business. But I don't think it's fair to say, "people are in toxic relationships all the time that they can't get out of"
Looks like a fling kind of thing and if she was really traumatized then she should not had sex with the guy later on.
Yes I know that people are stuck and can't get out of relationships with physical and mental abuse, but that is not what this was.
Can you acknowledge that, or am I just a piece of shit with no real point being made here? I'm sure it's the latter.
If you took my mother and sister -- or anyone of the sex you are attracted to above the age of consent -- on a road trip, got a hotel room with them, sat in the hotel room getting wasted with them, then neither I nor any other sane person would be surprised if someone made a sexual advance on someone else in that situation..
How cute, and you know all of that stuff about me just by reading my posts.
I hope you'll stick around so we can become buddies.
You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM
Wait I didnt know about the Revenge porn shit.
Is that real?
Its literally the definition.You would really link to the Wiki word for Protest?
Im with you on this that the reaction is a bit over the top. But we cant just dismiss it with Deal with it posts. This whole situation is gonna change GAF long-term and these Im leaving posts bring much needed attention to the issue. I probably wouldnt have a clue anything major happened if they didnt exist.Supposed actions.
Still, even if they were true, or were as brutally terrible to justify the reaction (which they are not, IMO) I don't buy all this act. This looks like some old grudge going on more than anything else. I feel like someone saw the opportunity to give a coup and and steal people off this forum, create a new place that will grant them power and, hopefully for them, money. The rest is just The Pitchforkmen, which were fostered around here for some years now (oh, the irony!), joining the riot and marching with them.
Logical, right. Staying here making your propaganda sure looks like what some white knight would do.
Then you might as well boycott everything, because just about everything you enjoy is run or owned by someone who does something terrible or engages in some kind of business that you find morally/ethically reprehensible if not criminal.
But what is it of? Its links that are not visible. Whats bad about the images?
What your speech do is very dangerous.
I understand you approach, you mean that the intention is also critizable, and actually you see the intention as a sexual aggresion. If you take this into a very different world is understandable, you can have the intention to make a terrorist attack but never did, you still are a terrorist.
I said this is dangerous because the law must be based on facts, and not for what not happens.
For example the admin of neogaf seems he never crossed the line, that means he never did nothing that the other person didn't want, but that doesn't mean that maybe he want to or no.
We must judge the people for the facts.
Based on that you can say the fact of entering a bath where a girl is there is sexual harrasment, then we can discuss.
I think that we can't throw a judgment for a situation that we don't know much details, the contexts is very important, if there's a conflict there a judge must be the one who will decide.
Hahahahaha. Oh man... I can't breathe.
They're naked photos of a girl with her real full name also posted on them.
Then you might as well boycott everything, because just about everything you enjoy is run or owned by someone who does something terrible or engages in some kind of business that you find morally/ethically reprehensible if not criminal.