LOL, made me think of Palestinian Chicken.
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The Witcher 3 Expansion Pass announced - $25
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LOL, made me think of Palestinian Chicken.
adamantypants
Member
I'm gonna have to also back up CDProjekt here. They were clear from the beginning about expansions vs DLC. Also, I don't care what developer you are, $25 is COMPLETELY FAIR for 30+ hours of gameplay. Especially in an age where people are bitching and moaning about 10 hour $60 games.
Jay Shadow
Member
If it's a system that has DRM then the users have already bought into it. No reason to punish the users who are okay with it. Otherwise the Witcher wouldn't be on Steam.
Then what did you mean? The witcher 3 was planned to have expansion packs is what it looks like.
They did not cut from the main game. Unless you want them to delay until 2016 to sell it with both expansions for free and with the main game. Oh! But maybe they have other expansions planned for later. OK, they should delay to 2018 instead.
Ok, on that we agree. But not that they had this exact content planned back then, only a goal for the scope of the content.
Yeah they were thinking ahead to Wicher 3 on articles that were published on the same day Witcher 2 was released.
My point is this has always been there stance and they are sticking by their stance and somehow that's fishy/conspiracy. The game has been "feature complete" since December, 2014. http://www.pcgamer.com/the-witcher-3-is-finished-delay-is-solely-for-bug-stomping/
Of course the team will be working on other things.
can you show me proof that they cut content please?
Dreams-Visions
Member
DLC worth the cost of admission.
robertsan21
Member
I can understand some people complaining about DLC and how they can feel that the developer is "cutting" things out of the game to sell us at a later date as DLC, just like Bungie did with Destiny, that is shitty and should not be supported. Bungie screwed us big here and I will not buy the next DLC they have planned.
But this is something entirely different. This DLC is what paid DLC should be like and it is sad to see how some people in here complain when DLC is done right.
But this is something entirely different. This DLC is what paid DLC should be like and it is sad to see how some people in here complain when DLC is done right.
This can't be cut content I am sure it was planned from the beginning to have expansions to the game after release. Now they might have had these in mind when they were doing the script.
Anton Sugar
Member
That's fair--it's obvious that announcing DLC/expansion passes prior to launch, at least on GAF, generates backlash. I wonder how the general gaming public reacts to news like this?
Did you also refuse to buy Diablo 3 before ROS came out?
Did you play diablo 2 before LOD was released?
What about Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare? Did you buy RDR before that?
Did you buy Oblivion before shivering isles?
Did you buy Skyrim before Dawnguard/dragonborn DLC?
ALL of those games were complete packages well worth their $60 price tag BEFORE the expansions came out. That is what separates those titles from the more common nickle and diming DLC that feels like things withheld from the initial release.
CDPR aren't cutting these 2 new areas out of the main game, they're building a complete product and offering that up front and THEN giving you more if you want to pay for that. Not buying the DLC doesn't affect the story they want to tell you in the main game and aren't required to fill in plot holes that otherwise would be left open.
GTFO of here with that lame $20 GOTY BS. There is a huge difference between what CDPR are doing here and what 98% of every other scumbag company is doing with their DLC.
Jack and shit. I don't like when they chose to announce this, said as much, and that is about as far as I expect it to go. As i said i am not that upset with them, just slightly disappointed they lived down to my expectations. I will still be playing The Witcher 3 at launch and if I like what I play i will be buying said expansions. The only thing that annoys me about this is the name calling directed at people people like me who don't think CDPR can and never will do any wrong. Even that is a minor complaint though.
Not my whole life but stopped about 6 years ago. And Im not saying Every company is the same im buying Witcher 3 day one which is a rarity for me since I like waiting for Steam Sales. But I just don't want to support something that isn't even made yet, if the Expansion is worth it then as the Developers said *Wait for Reviews Wait For Impressions* which is exactly what im doing. CD Projek is probably my favourite Developer im just still not supporting something that isn't made and hasn't been shown off yet, don't see anything wrong with that.
Velcro Fly
Member
The shitty companies ruin it for everyone. You can only get burned buying extra content before a game is even fucking out before you say enough is enough I'm not doing it again.
Haven't been following the game but this doesn't look like stuff they took out of the main game. It looks like more stuff if you want it and if you don't there's always the free DLC right?
It's going to get lumped in with the shitty practices of other terrible companies though because all DLC is created equal and it's all equally bad.
More power to them though. I love this model. Free DLC for all and then substantial content that you have to pay for after buying the game.
Also with preorder culture what it is, there is a neverending race to be first to buy something. What harm does it do to wait until something comes out to buy it? Or even *gasp* after it launches? Preorders and Season Passes have so conditioned us to want to buy buy buy immediately that the sensible option of wait and see is lost and it's either day 1 or never for many people.
Haven't been following the game but this doesn't look like stuff they took out of the main game. It looks like more stuff if you want it and if you don't there's always the free DLC right?
It's going to get lumped in with the shitty practices of other terrible companies though because all DLC is created equal and it's all equally bad.
More power to them though. I love this model. Free DLC for all and then substantial content that you have to pay for after buying the game.
Also with preorder culture what it is, there is a neverending race to be first to buy something. What harm does it do to wait until something comes out to buy it? Or even *gasp* after it launches? Preorders and Season Passes have so conditioned us to want to buy buy buy immediately that the sensible option of wait and see is lost and it's either day 1 or never for many people.
Whaaat.
We all want deals. And we all have to make decisions. If you can't afford 50 games on day one, wait. Nobody is forcing you to buy the base or the expansion. Don't bitch and accuse CDPR of cutting 30+ hours because it fits your (ir)rational process.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
It was just an assumption, nothing more. But how do you think they know the exact size of them in hours so early before release not only the base game, but the expansions too? I mean, just think about it
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Yeah, and the price is actually reasonable.
$25 for two meaty expansions is pretty good.
There are educated PR professionals working at CDProjekt who know exactly when the best time to announce future support for your product is, and if that time wasn't now they probably wouldn't annouce it now.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
It was just an assumption, nothing more. But how do you think they know the exact size of them in hours so early before release not only the base game, but the expansions too? I mean, just think about it
Of course everything is planned. But that doesn't mean everything must be put into one game. They have a plan for what should be the main plot and what should be done later to expand the scope of the game. It doesn't even justify to even think that the game was cut to be sold separately.
It was just an assumption, nothing more. But how do you think they know the exact size of them in hours so early before release not only the base game, but the expansions too? I mean, just think about it
It's called Game Design Document. Or planning. There are other franchises out there that release annually with an average of the same duration of the single player campaign. It doesn't mean that they cut content from the past game, does it? Just that they already plan a story and level design that will take at least X hours to complete.
Denton
Member
It was just an assumption, nothing more. But how do you think they know the exact size of them in hours so early before release not only the base game, but the expansions too? I mean, just think about it
Planning? Estimates ? They say 10+ and 20+
That's not exactly hard to estimate, and it"s not "exact size in hours" either. Notice the little plus there ?
Indeed. And then people blame us for not reading.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I've come to the conclusion that people will complain about damn near anything; have fun with that.
Witcher 3 is a bit of a different case though. This game has been content locked since back in 2014. Most of the art/story was probably finished before that; so what are these developers supposed to do with the entire rest of the staff in the meantime?
IMO, they've been completely up front about everything so far. The only possible way that things could go differently, is if they delay the game until 2016; just to add content that doesn't relate to the main game they had planned.
Witcher 3 is a bit of a different case though. This game has been content locked since back in 2014. Most of the art/story was probably finished before that; so what are these developers supposed to do with the entire rest of the staff in the meantime?
IMO, they've been completely up front about everything so far. The only possible way that things could go differently, is if they delay the game until 2016; just to add content that doesn't relate to the main game they had planned.
grosvenor_92
Member
I'll certainly buy the main game but I'm not a fan of expansion/season passes so I'll wait and see about possibly getting those
Bethesda have been doing true expansions for years now. Fallout New Vegas: Old World Blues is the perfect example. Took me several hours to beat and really felt like an expansion of the game.
JimmyRustler
Member
Just what I was thinking about when I read the thread title. Made me chuckle a bit.
Not that I am misunderstood. Let them charge for additional content, it's fair. But damn CD Project, don't talk shit in advance...
I do not mind additional quality DLCs and expansions that are being sold at a reasonable price; but I can't help but feel that announcing these things pre-release of the main product is the dumbest thing a company (with a game in their pipeline that is supposedly dozens of hours long) can do.
Anton Sugar
Member
Sounds 100% in line with their announcement today and their stance this whole time.
In the same article:
This expansion pass is 30hours of content. Would you expect him to give it away after the above statement?
People crying about this are fucking insane. They're announcing reasonably priced LARGE content, the first of which is coming out 5 months after the game's release. That is more than stretching the imagination of any conspiracy theorist suggesting they cut content to release some of it 5 months later and the rest nearly a year later. Holy fucking shit people. And every quote from them regarding DLC being free specified that it was referring to small tidbit content, and anything large and substantial from a story or size component could be paid.
I think I now actually understand how people in the game's industry hate places like GAF, there is absolutely no winning. I actually feel bad for them.
I think I now actually understand how people in the game's industry hate places like GAF, there is absolutely no winning. I actually feel bad for them.
I don't understand how people can be upset about the timing of the announcement when it has literally
no effect on your wallet, the content you recieve, and when you will recieve it.
Would you be less mad if they decided to wait until June to annouce it? Why? As long as the content was not finished before the release of the game, and then purposefully removed to be sold separately it won't affect you as a consumer.
actually literally
Would you be less mad if they decided to wait until June to annouce it? Why? As long as the content was not finished before the release of the game, and then purposefully removed to be sold separately it won't affect you as a consumer.
Agreed. So a developer who has consistently provided amazing experiences can't announce future content to a final chapter of its rpg series? The fuck?
Man oh man I love the witcher series! Wait future DLC to a series I love? Oh hell no I won't buy now until it hits the bargain bin.
This makes no sense to me.
In a perfect world move the staff to Cyberpunk 2077, in this world don't publicly announce the expansions until after the base game has released.
Papacheeks
Banned
You have no clue....do you?
Like other's have commented, they have been clear since The witcher 2 on what they consider paid content and thing's that more or less come down as updates to the game.
Enhanced, and Director's cut come to mind for me.
Filthy Casual
Member
l love the way they approach things.
I will probably by this DLC. I mean 30 more hours of what's likely to be an epic game? Count me in!
I will probably by this DLC. I mean 30 more hours of what's likely to be an epic game? Count me in!
ScatheZombie
Member
Here's the thing, that's true for people everywhere. Struggling to afford full priced, brand new titles is a reality to low/middle income people in literally every country. I'm sure Australians and Brazilians would love to have your $18-$36 games when they're paying 50%-200% mark-up. There are countries all throughout the EU that pay premium prices in shitty economies for video games. Your situation isn't unique. And the Witcher 3 and its expansion are still cheaper than a huge number of other new titles in your country (CoD:AW, GTA V, Bloodborne, Far Cry 4, Borderlands: Pre-Sequel, hell, even the Dark Souls 2 DLC). So bitching about their relative cost is gonna fall on deaf ears, and trying to use "but I'm in Russia" as an excuse to why that complaint is valid doesn't hold up.
hemo memo
Gold Member
GAF is a large group of people with different opinions and thoughts, you'll never see every person in a thread agrees no matter the topic and that's the reality in everything.
Guess that depends if they're a majority which then the suits won't give a shit about.
You were expecting Steam in the retail version?
What? There's no correlation there. The actual issue is that they are announced adding stuff with a price to a game that has yet to prove it's merit.
...E3! That would have been one hell of a way to announce.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Maybe it will sound strange to you, but I prefer to pay once for the full set, rather than paying twice and more, and if it means that I need to wait one year or so, then so be it. It's not like I won't find a game to play these days when 10 or more new games releasing on Steam every day (most of them are shit of course but still).
Don't bitch and accuse CDPR of cutting 30+ hours because it fits your (ir)rational process.[/QUOTE]
Oh I will wait cuz I don't have a choice. Two or so years ago it wasn't that much of a problem you know to buy 3 or more games in one month, I even started to think that our country will abandon piracy for good (well, not entirely - for some people it is still the way of life, and there is nothing you can do to make them think otherwise), but since then a lot has changed and not in a good way unfortunately. I don't expect that someone here will understand all this though.
Honesty is the key here (not to mention the right approach to presenting information keeping in mind previous messages about DLC's), and I don't see it unfortunately. They should've be more clear with us about their future plans for the game, that we have to pay for DLC's and all, but nope... We can only guess what were their true intentions.
Oh but of course, the content is not done yet, but still I find that very hard to believe that this content wasn't intended for the base game before. It's not like we will find out the whole truth about this anyway, so all we can do is speculate, nothing more.