Raw gameplay footage vs A promotional GTAV style video, apples and oranges dude.
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The Witcher 3 gameplay video - "Precious Cargo"
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Raw gameplay footage vs A promotional GTAV style video, apples and oranges dude.
Ah, nvm then.. I didn't realize that it was ok to deliberately mislead your audience as long as you're doing a "promotional GTAV style video". My bad.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
What? Deliberately mislead? What are you going on about.
Sony is t going to upload a trailer with Xbox button prompts and vice versa. MS does this all the time, editing the button prompts on PS4 footage so they can post it on the Xbox dashboard.
It's all PC footage in the end, which will be better, but still is an approximation of how it will look on all 3 platforms.
Especially on YouTube, where the 1080p and compression will level the IQ playing field on the platform differences anyway.
psykobunny
Banned
i hope this game controls better
So what? In either case its PC footage being dressed up for their respective console -- the reasons are entirely irrelevant. And its not something that even bothers me, the only reason I posted it was because someone else asked for an example where Sony has done the same.
dripdripsplash
Member
looks absolutely amazing, can't help but hate that MMO'ish yellow circle on the minimap outlining where the next goal for a quest is.
Hope it can be turned off.
Hope it can be turned off.
Yep, it can.
dripdripsplash
Member
Last Hearth
Member
So if this is not a fetch quest, then what is?
Note I am not complaining. I've always argued that most RPG quests can be reduced to fetch quests when you get down to it. That's why it's ridiculous to complain that an RPG has "too many fetch quests"/
And it seems the developers of the Witcher jumped on that bandwagon and bragged that their game would have "almost no fetch quests", and here we see a game play demo and bang, a fetch quest.
Note I am not complaining. I've always argued that most RPG quests can be reduced to fetch quests when you get down to it. That's why it's ridiculous to complain that an RPG has "too many fetch quests"/
And it seems the developers of the Witcher jumped on that bandwagon and bragged that their game would have "almost no fetch quests", and here we see a game play demo and bang, a fetch quest.
All RPG quests can be reduced to either kill or fetch quests, how the quests are presented is what matters. Is it fleshed out and is there a nice and engaging story behind the quest, or did the devs not even bother with creating any sort of narrative? The latter is a straightforward fetch quest, the former is not.
LurkerPrime
Member
When people say "fetch quest" they mean an arbitrary, straightforward task - like killing twenty-five goblins, or picking up ten wooden swords, generally for no discernable reason, and always ending with a binary result (failure/success). When the player needs to investigate, find, and report back - which can have different outcomes depending on how thorough they were - it is the farthest from a fetch quest you can get.
Play DAI if you don't understand what a fetch quest is, that game is filled to the brim with them.
Anton Sugar
Member
Have you read through any of this thread?
Not to mention, the video itself shows that you have multiple options/decisions to make within the context of the quest. If TW3 is anything like TW2, aiding a certain group of people vs another will have consequences down the line.
Denton
Member
The point was to show that even fetch quest, one of the few, can be done much more interestingly than what Bioware offered in their latest AAA EA backed RPG.
Moff
Member
you don't understand what people are complaining about when they criticize kill&fetch quests. of course they don't think that killing a guy or getting an item is generally bad, in most RPGs main quest you are in the end killing someone or getting something, often even both at the same time.
when people criticize kill&fetch quests, they mean where that's everything you do. like in MMOs where you have to kill 8 bandits or get 8 wolf furs.
however, what we see in this witcher video is splendid quest design for a simple side quets. not only has it a voiced interaction with an npc (ok, bad games do that often too) but you get more dialogue/monologue during it, with some development and a twist that even lets you choose how you want to handle it, giving you more possibilities the more you chose to uncover. and past witcher games even offered many consequences for your choices.
I hope you see a difference between this and what people usually call out as bad kill&fetch quests.
SilentRacoon
Member
Yeah, if the vegetation is always shaking all the time like that... it's gonna get old really fast
Voice acting doesn't sound too hot either.
It seems that you're lacking some experience since if you watched the video you wil be able to tell the difference between bad and good fetch quests.
Go play more rpgs, please.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Did you expect something else? Remember the Tom Raider uproar?
Edit: but obviosly being shady when advertising games pre-release is a industrial standard nowdays as everone seems to do it...
On topic: it all looks so good! cant really understand why people are upset about voiceacting or the facial animations.
Geralt was always on the calm side, and his facial animations are pretty decent.
Pretty sure it's the usual 1080p/30 fps vs. 900p/30fps gap.
air jordans for dogs
Member
Looks fantastic, really dont understand the complaint about the voice acting and that quest was very far away from "just a fetch quest".
Exactly. People complained about the fetch quests in DA:I because most of them started out with some dialogue explaining the quest (with few, if any dialogue choices to be made), and then you did the quest and it was over.
The dialogue is a bit campy in parts, but I will say that the larger plot trends in the Witcher universe have been pretty enthralling. This "low" fantasy revigorates contemporary problems. This a world full of politicking, backstabbing, racism, and anti-feminism. I was unimpressed by a lot of the chatter in TW2, but the overall lore and world-building is one of the best in the industry.
Denton
Member
Gopher details his visit to CDP with other youtubers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4tLTn5scnQ
On 27th he will be able to talk about the game itself + release footage.
Also, the journal is written by Dandelion again, which is great news, was hoping that would be the case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4tLTn5scnQ
On 27th he will be able to talk about the game itself + release footage.
Also, the journal is written by Dandelion again, which is great news, was hoping that would be the case.
Yes, this actually bugged me a bit
I'm really hoping the quests are this detailed the majority of the time. This one in particular is still a basic fetch quest, but actually has some relevance to the larger narrative and has interesting choices that you can make. This game looks so damn good, it's scary.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
It's not. They have yet to show the Xbox version.
Like a lot of videogame jargon, "fetch quest" seems to be one of those where some people use it in its most literal sense while others use it figuratively. I fall into the latter just because the literal meaning of "fetch quest" is far too broad to actual mean anything -- like you said, just about everything in an RPG can be drilled down to a "fetch quest". Its like saying I hate "conflict movies".
When most people talk about fetch quests, they mean quests with barely any purpose or emotional involvement. It feels menial and meaningless, but you do it anyway because you want the reward. Its exactly like a dog fetching his master's newspaper. The dog don't care about the newspaper or its purpose, hes just doing it to get a treat.
If this quest was just the guy asking you to get the box and then you return, get some exp, and never see him again... it would definitely be a fetch quest. However, its multi-layered. There's actually a story with some twists and turns, the outcome is left up to you, and it seems like it ties into a larger story. In contrast, there's quest in Inquisition where someone asks you to deal with rogue Mages throughout the lands. They marks 5 locations on your map, you have no idea who these Mages are or their motivations, player engagement is just go to the X and kill them. When its all over the NPC just says "thank you" and they like you a little more. Unfortunately, that is how a lot of the side quests are handled in that game.
Dictator93
Member
Without being a snob, what do you mean by lighting?
I see basically everything you see in every game ever, a global light, cascade shadow maps (good looking ones here), presumably ibls for global relighting (its not like the shadows are pitch black), and smaller sources are done with point lights.
What doesn't look good about that exactly?
Wonderful. Just wonderful.
One or two extremely minor issues, but hardly even worth mentioning.
Even just a simple fetch quest took a very interesting turn, and this is exactly the kind of intriguing stuff I expected out of The Witcher 3. Just as long as they don't end up having many Ubisoft-tier collectibles (Gwent cards and a few chests and that's it), it'll be utter perfection.
VA is fantastic, dialogue was super engaging, facial animations/lip-sync seems fucking great to me even if they don't hold up to something like The Order and a HUGE improvement over TW2 (Which is what I consider the most important comparison, not against other games with 5x the budget and are 10x smaller).
Then again, didn't even need to see the footage to know all this. I really wish I wasn't so weak and could go dark on the game...
One or two extremely minor issues, but hardly even worth mentioning.
Even just a simple fetch quest took a very interesting turn, and this is exactly the kind of intriguing stuff I expected out of The Witcher 3. Just as long as they don't end up having many Ubisoft-tier collectibles (Gwent cards and a few chests and that's it), it'll be utter perfection.
VA is fantastic, dialogue was super engaging, facial animations/lip-sync seems fucking great to me even if they don't hold up to something like The Order and a HUGE improvement over TW2 (Which is what I consider the most important comparison, not against other games with 5x the budget and are 10x smaller).
Then again, didn't even need to see the footage to know all this. I really wish I wasn't so weak and could go dark on the game...
I think it's because some people are mistakenly comparing it to linear games with scripted cutscenes, which are a completely different thing. But, you're right, as far as dynamic in-game conversations these look fantastic. I honestly can't think of any games that have done it better.
I don't know, i can't put my finger around it. It just does not look as good as the one modded in my Skyrim. Especially the contrast and light source vectors in the dark.
Scientificreason
Banned
DA:I was about as bad as it gets lol. The witchers quests are vastly better in Witcher 2 are anything to go by. DA:I is not exactly a good example.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Looks good but something strikes me as off in the footage. I'm leaning toward the animation but it just seems weird. Just stands out a lot considering how high quality everything else looks.
I don't like that either. They should have kept it like The Witcher 2, or maybe a bit further out, but not this far.
I'm hoping, like you, that I'll like it more once I play it. Otherwise, let's hope for a mod that fixes it.
I think the combat looks outstanding, it's more a question of how it will feel and how well it works in the context of the game. Visually, though, I think it looks awesome. I think it looks better than the combat in Bloodborne, for example.
But how can you be so disappointed when no other similar games do it better? That's pretty unreasonable. It's like getting mad at Infamous Second Son, let's say, for not looking like real life.
Stare-Bear
Banned
I really can't agree based on what we've seen - I'm incredibly excited for Wild Hunt but the combat looks nowhere near as fluid or visceral as Bloodborne. That's not to say it looks bad of course, but the combat in Bloodborne is weighty and has a sense of impact (both with sound and visuals) that Wild Hunt, along with most other action RPGs, lacks.
Really enjoyed the video, been waiting for a big open RPG for a while. The side quest looked great, some decisions to be made, good variety, hopefully the majority of the side quests in the game are the same standard.
TheSaddestSort
Member
Looks good to me! Eagerly awaiting the 19th of next month.