1 x Titan X. This is coming from someone who is currently running two 670's. I have been rather disappointed with the lack of SLI-support and lazy PC-ports with SLI-problems (I'm looking at you FC4, DA:I!)
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Titan X announced, 12GB framebuffer, 8 billion transistors.
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1 x Titan X. This is coming from someone who is currently running two 670's. I have been rather disappointed with the lack of SLI-support and lazy PC-ports with SLI-problems (I'm looking at you FC4, DA:I!)
It's exactly what you would expect given the specs.
Note how I described my OC'd 970 as "~40% slower than this card" before these results were posted, and how it sits at 61% in the chart
Well I'm not impressed by those results because I compared this new Titan to an OC'd 980. I should have compared stock 980 vs stock Titan X.
Fares better but I struggle to see much value there, if the rumored price turns out true.
KillaKalz347
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Doubt it, maybe a month or two head start, that's about it. The VR demos at GDC were powered by an AMD ultra enthusiast GPU, if they have silicon in hand, that isn't just an engineering sample, then it should be unveiled in late April, or May. Computex would have 390s from third party vendors on display.
Prophet Steve
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Well, not sure which numbers you are comparing, but if you point out the non-overclocked versions of both cards it isn't 30% or 50% faster than the 980 because then you have to take percentages of the 980.
This card isn't for you. Titans were never about "value'".
Well yeah, obviously it won't be good value. No Titan ever was (even remotely).
Prophet Steve
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SLI is supported by less games and the performance ratio isn't the same as the card ratio you have.
Even though in this benchmark it seems to scale very well, it won't be the same in games. Besides that, SLI often gives issues on the launch with some games, with support coming later or SLI performance being worse.
I would definitely not recommend it for a first gaming PC. The GTX 980 and Titan X both are not great value and I think you are better off going with a GTX 970 and waiting for a new generation of cards.
Unless you want/need all the power now.
Can Crusher
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Are these cards even meant for gaming?
Feels like they are built for work purposes, I mean I can't imagine the meeting where somebody comes up with the idea of making a 1.3 thousand dollar card for gaming. Seriously.
Feels like they are built for work purposes, I mean I can't imagine the meeting where somebody comes up with the idea of making a 1.3 thousand dollar card for gaming. Seriously.
I know. But then I can see AMD undercutting Nvidia rather easily by pricing the Titan X equivalent at 550$. And if the rumored specs of the 390X are accurate we are looking at quite a monster, how will it stack up against this new Titan I don't know since raw specs can't be compared (considering architecture differences).
The perf/watt is astronomical though, only 230w TDP.
Yes. We are not talking about the quadro line. This is clearly advertised as a gaming card (which does not preclude it from being useful eslewhere).
Nvidia did that with the Titan and it apparently worked out OK for them. There is a market for that price bracket albeit a niche one.
Well the DP of the Titan meant it could be used for other fields than gaming. From the perspective of a professional and a moderate gamer the pricetag of the Titan was more attractive.Durante said:
I would argue that the Titan was good value in that specific scenario.
Of course if gaming was the only purpose then 1.000$ was a tough pill to swallow.
Speaking of purpose, there are rumors that this new Titan would not pack too much DP which would mean it's definitely more a gaming card than the previous Titans.
Theonik
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Besides, with the way tasks are usually allocated in SLI you can get micro-stuttering and other performance errata when playing a game in SLI that would not occur in a single setup.
Furthermore, normal SLI doens't allow you to us triple buffering.
Exentryk
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Well, since I'm not really that savvy, I'm getting someone to build and stress test it for me. And I'd rather just go big once, and not have to worry about it for 4-5 years.
Also, I'd prefer to have the system ready before Witcher 3 hits.
I'd say they are meant for gaming as much as a Ferrari is meant for driving to work.
Except they don't really have an equivalent to many of the drawbacks of a Ferrari, like limited room for storage. They are mostly just better at everything
I'd really just get a single (good) 980 then. High-end, but not stupidly expensive, and none of the SLI worries.Well, since I'm not really that savvy, I'm getting someone to build and stress test it for me. And I'd rather just go big once, and not have to worry about it for 4-5 years.
Also, I'd prefer to have the system ready before Witcher 3 hits.
Dictator93
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I really think there is some odd VRAM balancing in this card given its grunt. Obviously, it is a fantastic reason / excuse for Nvidia to price the card at those "titan" levels.
Also whilst being hotter and having only 4GB of available VRAM, right? It will be a jumble.
Also whilst being hotter and having only 4GB of available VRAM, right? It will be a jumble.
Prophet Steve
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They are for people/businesses that like to spend a lot of money and want the best available. It isn't a good price/performance ratio, everyone should know that.
Yeah, I wasn't sure microstuttering was still an issue, at least I know there has been advancement on that front.
Didn't know about the lack of triple buffering though, but it makes sense.
Well, since I'm not really that savvy, I'm getting someone to build and stress test it for me. And I'd rather just go big once, and not have to worry about it for 4-5 years.
Also, I'd prefer to have the system ready before Witcher 3 hits.
Since it is your first one don't go SLI. And by far the best thing you can do with your money is getting the card with the best value for the price now and upgrade later on again, it will last the longest for the same amount of money. Switching your graphics card isn't that difficult.
Otherwise, decide for yourself. Titan X is the best single card, but probably the worst price/performance ratio.
What are you referring to with this statement? That SLI is not compatible with Windowed modes?
Dictator93
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He may be meaning that. Not sure what he means... because I can definitely activate "tripple buffering" it may not be the correct type of tripple buffering though depending upon the game implementations.
Exentryk
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Hmm... have no idea what triple buffering is, but it SLI system is actually going to detrimental and cause issues, then I can see why buying a single powerful card like Titan X might be worth it.
Also, I wonder if a single 980 will be enough to run Witcher 3 at 60 fps with bells and whistles at 1080p on HDTV. Decisions decisions.
EDIT - I appreciate the advice guys. Guess I'll be speaking with my build guy to make some changes, or at least wait until more details on Titan X come out.
Also, I wonder if a single 980 will be enough to run Witcher 3 at 60 fps with bells and whistles at 1080p on HDTV. Decisions decisions.
EDIT - I appreciate the advice guys. Guess I'll be speaking with my build guy to make some changes, or at least wait until more details on Titan X come out.
Can Crusher
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I'd say they are meant for gaming as much as a Ferrari is meant for driving to work.
Except they don't really have an equivalent to many of the drawbacks of a Ferrari, like limited room for storage. They are mostly just better at everything
Social status though. These cards offer none.
On GAF they do!
Prophet Steve
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Sure. Although with ALL bells and whistles I can't give a guarantee. It is quite possible that there is a setting that will completely tank framerates. Although usually it is probably something supersampling so that you end up basically rendering at 4K anyway.
Wanting to check every checkbox in a PC game is not healthy behavior for your wallet.
Even with a GTX 970 I am pretty confident on running The Witcher 3 on 1080P 60FPS though.
Dictator93
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They definitely confer a status in the gaf social sphere... I am not sure if that is apostiive or negative one though. Ehem.
Yes, there are hardly any Windows DirectX games with a correct triple buffering implementation, so I guessed he was referring to Borderless Windowed mode.
Either way, I don't consider it a problem because AFR SLI requires a render queue with several buffers anyway by default. Bad for latency, but if your frame times are low enough, it's debatable that you can even notice.
Yeah but quadro cards has always been that expensive.
Honestly can't see the Titan X being anything close to that.
Exentryk
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The DSR feature was tempting, and I was going to try it lol. But I guess I could live without it. Might just go with a single 980 then if it can run that game nicely.
Theonik
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Depends on the SLI mode that is being used but in AFR which is what nVidia SLI uses, the frames are rendered in alternation between the two cards. This means that you cannot hold 3 frame buffers in 2 cards without additional latency. You can do it in 1, or 3 cards though. There is probably workarounds and it might be that there has been breakthroughs recently. idk.
Edit:
That is until you actually are running close to maximum performance of your cards whereupon your frametimes increase so you are generally better served with a single monster card.
Yeah, it's a different market with different scale.
The X should come in well under that.
Dictator93
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WHen you have 3 way SLI.. there is a "Vertical Sync Smooth AFR behavior" tick box in Nvidia Inspector. I wonder how and what it does.. I would assume triple buffering.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Is there a release date?
Dictator93
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I think people are scoffing at the eventual price set up. It is quite obvious how Nvidia prompts and scales its hardware spec to fit the titan in at its price bracket.
I think the performance is actually really awesome.
Yeah it's freaking weird, especially since this performance increase is indicative of things to come soon after, just like the Titan to 780/780Ti and Titan Black to 970/980.
50%.
I see people make this mistake a lot.
You could say the 980 is 70% as powerful as the TitanX. But that doesn't mean the TitanX is only 30% more powerful. It doesn't quite work like that. 50% more powerful than the 980 would be taking 50% of the 980's score and adding it on top.
Watch NVIDIA announce this at 699 and be hailed as heroes.
March 17.
Dictator93
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That would actually be a reasonable price. As a result, it wont happen.
This HAHA!
I would even bite at 799. But that 28nm though... ewe.
Guess you wont be buying any GPUs this year then.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Thanks!
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I'm building a Gaming computer in the summer. Am I safe getting a 980 to play current gen games at 1080p 60fps? (i7 16gb)Shiuld I get this new Titan instead? Budget is $2500
First benchmarks for the Titan X http://videocardz.com/55013/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-3dmark-performance
This is way better than I expected. It seems overpriced by a couple hundred dollars, but given it's a Titan, it's not much. Holy shit I might actually get a Titan X! So glad I waited. How confident are people about the price and release date?
This.
And, Titans starts at $999. If your budget is below, look else where.
SolidSnakeUS
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If the performance is only about 21% better than a factory OC'ed 980, I don't think it's going to be worth $1000. $570 for the G1 Gaming card, and in respect to that, it would be about $750 to $800? Or is my math off?
Value and Titan line don't belong in the same sentence. You don't buy the card for value.