Give to 1080p users a 1080p/60 fps option and a 1080p(supersampled)/30 fps option.
Like Infamous: Second Son.
Everybody will be happy.
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TLOU PRO Patch 1.08 - Supersampling removed from all modes [Up: New DF video]
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Give to 1080p users a 1080p/60 fps option and a 1080p(supersampled)/30 fps option.
Like Infamous: Second Son.
Everybody will be happy.
holygeesus
Banned
It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out Sony are leaning on devs to do this, as it just makes the Pro look bad if it runs at a lower framerate than on a base PS4 at the same resolution.
Bar set pretty high by baseline version, so no wonder it's difficult to squeeze much more without having to rewrite most of the code
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Tuning a console game to run with fairly frequent drops from 30 or 60fps doesn't make any sense to me when people are going to be playing on fixed refresh displays. Aim to hit one or the other the majority of the time. I can't imagine any PC gamer would be downsampling from 1800p if they're so close to a consistent 60fps. That said, I really wouldn't expect to drop all the way from 1800p to 1080p to achieve this. Weird.
Probably. But there is no excuse to remove the supersampling from the 30 fps mode. That was perfect 30fps locked.
Serious Sam
Member
60fps without supersampling is fine, but removal of supersampling at 30fps gotta be unintentional bug.
I want to bring attention to another issue that not many seem to care about, not even Digital Foundry brought it up. High quality shadows are very broken, they've been broken since they were added to PS4 remaster. High quality shadows often only display partially or none at all (depends on situation). I made comparison shots a while back here. There is no longer a way to disable high quality shadows on the Pro.
I want to bring attention to another issue that not many seem to care about, not even Digital Foundry brought it up. High quality shadows are very broken, they've been broken since they were added to PS4 remaster. High quality shadows often only display partially or none at all (depends on situation). I made comparison shots a while back here. There is no longer a way to disable high quality shadows on the Pro.
Seriously this thread is embarassing. Blaming DF and the consumers for ND fucking with the patches? And you call DF hyperbolic?
There's no excuse for this. They basically turned the Pro patch to a Non-Pro patch. Blaming someone else for ND incompetence (mind you, with this patch, not with their games) is lying yourself.
I mean, removing the supersampling in 30 fps mode when that mode ran locked shows how halfassed this patch is. can't believe that people after seeing that still blame the players. It's truly amazing...
There's no excuse for this. They basically turned the Pro patch to a Non-Pro patch. Blaming someone else for ND incompetence (mind you, with this patch, not with their games) is lying yourself.
I mean, removing the supersampling in 30 fps mode when that mode ran locked shows how halfassed this patch is. can't believe that people after seeing that still blame the players. It's truly amazing...
bonchooski
Member
Wtf I knew something was up when I played this yesterday for the first time in a week. I noticed the lack of supersampling more than the frame rate drops....wtf naughty dog at least give us the option.
TheMagician
Member
This is what happens when people cry about slight frame rate drops which the average person wouldn't even notice.
dmix90
Member
dr_rus
Member
I'm surprised they haven't done this. It seems like a mistake really as there is no reason why 30 fps mode can't be downsampled in 1080p as this is just the same mode used for upscaling to 4K.
Diablohead
Member
Wow that sucks, really sucks. Gg pro.
RedAssedApe
Banned
they did. before this patch removed it. that's why people are pissed lol
NXGamer
Member
Sad but oh so true!It's what the drama queens asked for!
Completely unrequired but I can see why they did this (aside the 30fps option),I guess we could see the OS doing this in the future which I really hope is not the case.
Add an option for image quality or performance to allow players to decide is what I would recommend.
ForeverRed
Neo Member
I'm pretty fucking gutted about this. I just bought a PS4 Pro specifically to replay this with the improved visuals. Is there any way to get the previous patch instead?
bonchooski
Member
That's what I did too, and I actually started replaying TLOU for this and loved how clean it looked. Then yesterday I noticed all the melee weapons on Joel's back started to look shimmery and now reading this thread explained it.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Drops below 60 on a 60hz TV cause tearing or juddering. That's way more noticeable than dropping a notch or two of downsampling. The thing is, they haven't dropped a notch or two, it's gone all the way from 1800p to 1080p. Which is confusing. If this were a PC game I personally would expect a drop to 1620p would go most of the way to sorting the frame rate, which you're unlikely to notice. Maybe the checkerboarding isn't quite so flexible?
Lockjaw333
Member
I don't get it, I thought the 60fps mode was supersampled from a higher resolution. I know there was a 4k 30fps mode too.
What are the options now? 1080p/60 with better shadows only for 1080p users? Can't even select the 4k mode?
What are the options now? 1080p/60 with better shadows only for 1080p users? Can't even select the 4k mode?
matrix-cat
Member
Right now it's 1080p30 or 1080p60 if you have a 1080p TV. Identical image quality on both options; the 30FPS option just toggles the framerate lock on or off.
dmix90
Member
Option 1: 1080p/60 with broken shadows
Option 2: 1080p/30 with broken shadows
¯\_(ツ
_/¯
dr_rus
Member
They did in both 30 and 60 fps modes though and this patch removed it from both. While it's kinda justified for 60 there's literally no explanation for removal of downsampling from 30 fps one. So this feels like a mistake more than anything.
BoxManLocke
Member
Is there anyway to stay at version 1.07 after reinstalling the game ?
I let the patch download yesterday. I don't give a shit about the minor framerate improvements, I wanted to play my favorite game of all time with downsampling.
If I reinstall the game, I assume it'll just download 1.08 with all previous updates included ?
I let the patch download yesterday. I don't give a shit about the minor framerate improvements, I wanted to play my favorite game of all time with downsampling.
If I reinstall the game, I assume it'll just download 1.08 with all previous updates included ?
Naughty Dog just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about graphic-whore culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in the rest of the world where you can become successful by having locked 60fps gameplay. If you have any aliasing, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the graphic-whore public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase The Last of Us for either system, nor will they purchase any of Naughty Dog's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Naughty Dog has alienated an entire market with this move.
Naughty Dog, publicly apologize and cancel this patch for PS4 Pro or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about graphic-whore culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in the rest of the world where you can become successful by having locked 60fps gameplay. If you have any aliasing, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the graphic-whore public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase The Last of Us for either system, nor will they purchase any of Naughty Dog's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Naughty Dog has alienated an entire market with this move.
Naughty Dog, publicly apologize and cancel this patch for PS4 Pro or you can kiss your business goodbye.
Nice
Equanimity
Member
While Tomb Raider does have more options, it's not exactly the best candidate for comparison because it currently suffers from a horrible frame-pacing issue in 4K and Enriched mode; it has been like that for a while and we haven't heard anything from Nixxes.
dealer-
Member
The latest Tomb Raider patch introduced frame pacing issues across the board, not sure if it has been fixed yet. The problem with these patches is that Pro owners can get the rug pulled from under them at any time.
Almost certainly a mistake. Shurely.
They were probably rushing to get the 60fps patch out. I would hope that the 1080p/60 is also only temporary, and they'll increase that to give some downsampling once they can find a good setting that doesn't impact the framerate
Option 1: 1080p/60 with broken shadows
Option 2: 1080p/30 with broken shadows
¯\_(ツ
pretty much
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I disagree, lack of downsampling on console games can be very very noticeable. With 720p-to-1080p graphics especially so. The higher the resolution the less you may notice it, but it still helps even then... proper anti-aliasing is needed even at resolution such as 8K to get the perfect image quality movies strive for.
Hopefully. I'd rather play it supersampled @ 30fps than 60fps from when I first tried it on Pro. I mean the game was built for 30fps in the first place which is fine. Looked gorgeous supersampled.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Memnoch
Member
I'm not replaying it either then. I want IQ over fps. I don't care about stable frame rates.
nowheretorun
Member
Don't agree with that at all. It's not like the 60fps for a stutterfest unlike Skyrim. The multiplayer ran good enough. We should get options.
On a separate note, we, the gamers, should stick together and not accept this. Never mind blaming DF or Gafer's - that's a fucking joke. We should rise and complain and expect more together....
Melchiah
Member
Fuck this shit. I just bought the Pro and started replaying the game in the 30fps mode, and now they made it look worse on 1080p displays. I was looking forward to continue from Bill's town next week, where the game really gets going, but I guess I'll pass now, since I've already experienced it in the same form on the regular PS4. SMH
EDIT: It's beyond me why they remove options from the players.
On the Xbox one version of Final Fantasy they kind of did and people were still cheering great performance
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1320520&page=1
When the IQ was so so much worse for that minor performance gain.
I'm thinking the same as well but only WTF ever happened to testing? It's hardly like there are millions of configuration combinations. This gen has been the worst ever for games being released unfinished and now we are getting a spate of patches that fix one thing then break others. Quite frankly, if this is a bug, it's pretty embarressing.
nowheretorun
Member
Yep. Just at this point myself.
I wouldn't know where to start but I'm sure someone here does.