It's a shame that it came at the cost of infusing fringe elements directly into the gop.
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Trump: Same-Sex Marriage is "Fine", It was settled in the Supreme Court."
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It's a shame that it came at the cost of infusing fringe elements directly into the gop.
Muppet of a Man
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As I've said before, Trump doesn't believe a god damn word that comes out of his own mouth. He's an empty vessel ideologically. He is a pure NYC deal maker....an opportunist above all else...essentially a mafia boss.
He's a pretty sleazy dude, but historically, he's been fine with a lot the alternative lifestyle stuff.
The thing that freaks me out is that he is now essentially an enabler and/or puppet of the GOP. They got him elected and he will pat those shitstains on the back for it.
It's like a nightmare come true. The house, senate, and Supreme Court are all majority republican. That is the scariest thing here.
He's a pretty sleazy dude, but historically, he's been fine with a lot the alternative lifestyle stuff.
The thing that freaks me out is that he is now essentially an enabler and/or puppet of the GOP. They got him elected and he will pat those shitstains on the back for it.
It's like a nightmare come true. The house, senate, and Supreme Court are all majority republican. That is the scariest thing here.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
An ever receding wall of empathy borne by selfishness if true.
Dash_Riprock
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Its human nature. "Fuck you I got mine" is the rule, not the exception. Not excusing or condoning it in any way just pointing it out.
Truly believe trump doesn't care about this stuff. He's not going to try to take these rights away
The problem is, he doesn't care enough to try to prevent the right from being diminished either. He will appoint ultra republican justices and everyone else, and they have the power to roll back rights.
The problem is, he doesn't care enough to try to prevent the right from being diminished either. He will appoint ultra republican justices and everyone else, and they have the power to roll back rights.
LouisaFerre
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Yeah, pretty much. I'm not afraid of Trump himself as much as I am the people he surrounds himself with and gives power to.
Xisiqomelir
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Wasn't....Roe vs Wade also settled by the Supreme Court?
Not that this particular stance isn't a welcome one.
Not that this particular stance isn't a welcome one.
shinra-bansho
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Where's that Memento image?
Even just speaking as a white guy, I've had to sever ties with a disappointingly large amount of my gay white friends over the years for holding racist views. "Sorry I'm only into white guys just a preference" is also a very common phrase you'll see on gay dating apps. These aren't just "trashy white guys" either, they're seemingly "normal" people who sometimes have a lot of economic or social power within the community or the world at large.
There's a certain fetishization of the chameleonic sexuality, "you're gay but you don't look or act gay". An idea which reinforces a very narrow definition of attractiveness: Masculine and white. Putting those two specific qualities on a pedestal has a dark side affect of looking at people who don't fit into that box as other, and therefore lesser.
Then you also just have plain old white privilege. For a lot of people, being gay doesn't just bestow on you the empathy to recognize the plight of minorities facing racism in this country. It can be built into your upbringing, a subconscious belief that other races are inferior that American society not only doesn't challenge, it's reinforced.
Back to the topic: Fuck Trump. He's no ally. If he truly doesn't think that LGBT people don't deserve the same rates as the rest of the world, he wouldn't be assembling Satan's Cabinet of people who'd sooner see us rounded up and executed. He doesn't give a fuck who suffers under these people.
Some white gays are infamous for the extent that they insulate themselves among their own sub-group, hence why they're oblivious to the intersectionality that afflicts other groups of gays and have little interest in pursuing further betterment for the overall movement. It's pretty sad, but qpocs and transwomen of colour are used to that reality by now.
Fox Mulder
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It passed even with scalia alive. They'd need another and then get a case the Supreme Court would rule on again.
Regardless, the republican party has true believers and the stated intent of swinging the court for decades and rolling back civil rights.
Even if trump lied about everything, I refuse to applaud him. Especially as he surrounds himself with truly awful republicans.
supporter and all I care about is jobs and immigration. Don't care what else he does as long as he doesn't have my race picking cotton and getting the whip or take away our rights. The problem is Trump has been shown support for the LGBT community but the other side just didn't care so this isn't really new to his supporters. The liberal media just brainwashed ppl to think he has a problem with them.
TheBryanJZX90
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He tells it like it is!
I agree. For Trump supporters, It was never about gay marriage or rights except for the very religious ones who were foolish to think Trump was with them in the first place. This was about changing demographics and the perceived "invasion" from minorities. That's where Trump's feet will be held to the fire.
the_batman
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if it was settled in the supreme court, why did he say he wants to have Roe v. Wade overturned.
QuickSilverD
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why do you have to be so pessimistic?
Fox Mulder
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because he wants to leave it up to the state.
Randy Lanzarote
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Trump said anything that he thought would get him a cheer and clap depending on where he was.
He'll concentrate on his wall/fence and creating manufacturing jobs. It was those issues that won him the election in the rust belt.
He'll concentrate on his wall/fence and creating manufacturing jobs. It was those issues that won him the election in the rust belt.
Angelus Errare
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If you're talking about racism/sexism/homophobia, those were always part of the Republican platform.
Jacksinthe
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"I'm a huge businessman. I was also President once for a few weeks. Got boring real fast so I left".
Because Gannon just got the triforce.
Bowser and Koopa Kids are in the whitehouse.
Sorry only two speeds atm, flippant or furious.
He'd have to wait for Kennedy to retire at a minimum, I'm not even sure what a test case would look like and in any event it would take years to litigate up to the Supreme Court.
supporter and all I care about is jobs and immigration. Don't care what else he does as long as he doesn't have my race picking cotton and getting the whip or take away our rights. The problem is Trump has been shown support for the LGBT community but the other side just didn't care so this isn't really new to his supporters. The liberal media just brainwashed ppl to think he has a problem with them.
First, that flag is upside down, fitting.
Second, if he did support LGBT rights, explain to me why he picked Mike "Electrocute the Gay Away" Pence, and why is a lot of his cabinet filled with anti-LGBT people? Explain to me why he's going to purpose and sign in a law that allows open discrimination of LGBT individuals under the guise of "Religious Freedom"? Explain to me why he's going to likely remove the executive action that Obama did to allow transgender students to be treated with respect to their gender identity in public schools? I'm probably missing a whole lot more, but no, he's not a LGBT supporter. He wouldn't defend gay marriage if the case was taken back to the Supreme Court and overrides it. I wouldn't be surprised if he signs another more powerful DOMA all things considering.
A Link to the Past
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supporter and all I care about is jobs and immigration. Don't care what else he does as long as he doesn't have my race picking cotton and getting the whip or take away our rights. The problem is Trump has been shown support for the LGBT community but the other side just didn't care so this isn't really new to his supporters. The liberal media just brainwashed ppl to think he has a problem with them.
"Trump Chooses Senior Member Of Hate Group As His Top Domestic Policy Adviser"
I guess that means nothing. You can appoint members of an anti-LGBT hate group as an adviser as long as you incorrectly hold the LGBT flag.
Seriously, I swear, you'd take a clip of Trump saying "I love faggots and trannies, they're just so wonderfully fruity" as a support with the literally nonexistent standards you hold for him on LGBT issues.
For fuck's sake, the man exploited a mass shooting at an LGBT night club for his campaign against Muslim immigrants.
I don't think he cares what anyone thinks.
I get the impression that Trump is very impressionable though, and can be easily manipulated.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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supporter and all I care about is jobs and immigration. Don't care what else he does as long as he doesn't have my race picking cotton and getting the whip or take away our rights. The problem is Trump has been shown support for the LGBT community but the other side just didn't care so this isn't really new to his supporters. The liberal media just brainwashed ppl to think he has a problem with them.
He looks like a 3rd grader presenting the class project he made last night
And if all you care about is jobs and immigration than you're still going to be disappointed lmfao
ErasureAcer
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Yup. 60 minutes interview made no sense.
Gay marriage...it's already been decide by Supreme Court.
Roe vs. Wade...I plan on putting people on the court to overturn that ruling.
Dude is sending out very different messages.
He probably knows Scalia was a vote against gay marriage and replacing him is still a 5-4 split for Gay Marriage.
He probably knows abortion rights will be overturned first.
With whom he has surrounded himself with...we should all be terrified.
He isn't back peddling. You just weren't paying attention. He said at his RNC nomination speech that he wanted to protect gay rights and even waved a gay rights flag at the freaking RNC.
I never did understand why people thought it was the end of the world for LGBT. Maybe the media convinced the country otherwise.
Also, guys. On him holding he flag upside down. The flag was written with its trump support upside down. Can't blame him for that. Laughable that people are picking that out as a negative.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Can you name Trump's VP
A few are up in age, including Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Bigboss242
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America is already great leave it alone.
While I'm going to suffer from a Trump presidency because I'm trans, I'm going to have all the schadenfreude in the world once his supporters realize that those jobs aren't coming back and it's likely we're going to lose even more jobs in four years.
A Link to the Past
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It won't matter if it's only one Justice that he appoints. He's replacing someone who opposed it, which means that it'll just be a repeat of the original decision; the Justices won't even bother with the case, especially if there's no new compelling argument to make that would suggest it needs to be revisited. In fact, statistically speaking, one of the Justices who opposed it is actually more likely now to vote in such a way that supports it, both because of the above-mentioned non-reasons involved in undoing Oberfell and the general drift conservative Justices make towards the left in their lifetime.
Yep. Nothing motivates me to keep going than the joy of seeing how salty disaffected Republicans are over Trump's broken promises.
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The judges that would overturn overturn Roe v. Wade would also overturn same sex marriage so his words are fucking meaningless here.
Fox Mulder
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Three of them are at or near 80.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
supporter and all I care about is jobs and immigration. Don't care what else he does as long as he doesn't have my race picking cotton and getting the whip or take away our rights. The problem is Trump has been shown support for the LGBT community but the other side just didn't care so this isn't really new to his supporters. The liberal media just brainwashed ppl to think he has a problem with them.
That's an amazing picture
look at that face, that flag, the scrawled jagged type.
Let's not pretend suddenly like Vice Presidents matter, because no one took them seriously in the past. Trump picked him to secure votes, just like Obama did with Biden to get the working class voter then proceeded to do nothing for that group.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Ah, I see you're well-informed.
ErasureAcer
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By recollection...too lazy to look up
Ginsburg, liberal
Stevens, liberal
Thomas, conservative
Are the oldest 3 and most likely to die, retire.
It is already going to be a 5-4 court...could be 7-2 soon enough.
Enlighten me.
A Link to the Past
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So to clarify, you are arguing that bringing on a member of an anti-LGBT hate group is not anti-LGBT?
Okay America I have to posit this .... Uhmmm aren't you already politicising this if your justices can swing these key issues one way or another too much . I mean isn't the judiciary supposed to be formed up of level minded ppl who interpret the laws and protect the not guilty and discriminated that's essentially the job of the judicial system isn't it ?
If so maybe it's time to realize your country isn't ready for as progressive with laws if one political swing or another can overturn it . Hey it's okay some countries are more progressive sometimes you can personally want something doesn't mean the whole country is willing for it .
Edit: personally I don't see gay marriage legality being overturned but I did call the trump election wrong roe vs wade maybe let's see
If so maybe it's time to realize your country isn't ready for as progressive with laws if one political swing or another can overturn it . Hey it's okay some countries are more progressive sometimes you can personally want something doesn't mean the whole country is willing for it .
Edit: personally I don't see gay marriage legality being overturned but I did call the trump election wrong roe vs wade maybe let's see
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