DontBeThatGuy
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When the hell did I ever say it wasn't just my opinion? Man, some of you are seriously defensive about this stuff.
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Who needs games: PlayStation 4's first year [EUROGAMER]
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When the hell did I ever say it wasn't just my opinion? Man, some of you are seriously defensive about this stuff.
I think you need to read up on what these things mean. That's not a No True Scotsman argument.
And if this was a debate and you had spelled it right it would also be wrong, because if it was anything it would be a tu quoque.
In conclusion: Mega fail
travisbickle
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The whole article is the writer trying to prove that the games that were released for the PS4 aren't the reason people have bought the PS4 games console.
It's another elitist article from the gaming press.
markedbravado
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I did read it the article. Obviously there wasn't enough mention of Sony's exclusive/timed 2014 indies in the article. It was passed over for the usual bullshit "AAA" argument.
For every Sunset mention in these threads, Sony had Infamous since Q1. Sony also had PT.
Nightengale
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Sorry. That was inappropriate of me.
I think that The Order will be an awesome cinematic experience that should please quite a few fans, but I still think that no multiplayer is going to hurt the longevity of that title. The Order was Sony's chance to pull away that Gears of War audience who are anxiously awaiting a third person multiplayer title.
Phoenician_Viking
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Except the fact i call bullshit where i see it, unlike you.
gundamkyoukai
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It about sales because if people buy there PS4 for Destiny , COD , FIFA etc etc .
How does eurgamer know to say that those people are not happy with the reason they bought there PS4s.
The article is about why people are buying a PS4 among other things of course sales of the system and games matter .
Acquiescence
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Wasn't alluding to any "conspiracy stuff" at all. I was merely highlighting the impeccable timing of posting an article of this nature days prior to the system having one of its best weeks of the year.
mejin
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Far Cry 4 too.
That's an amazing week we will have and I just can't go back to ps3 anymore.
Best thing was the FFXIIi face off. Apparently 6 seconds faster load time was really GREAT and was really GREAT and Xbox.... had only minor issues compared to PS3...But 6 seconds faster load time!! GREAT!!
Or how they tried really hard to push for XBO in the beginning of this generation in some aspects. Meh who cares? Everyone who read the DF articles didn't get anything other than pixel amount.
Yeah Xbox360 was the better Multiplat machine for the vast majority of last gen. But it seemed hard for many to swallow when the status quo got turned around.
HORRORSHØW
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codeblue just code blued.
I think both the X1 and the PS4 have had a poor year but yeah I don't get why the PS4 takes all of the heat for it. It feels like people are just looking for a reason to put down the successful console.
I know people will bring up Sunset Overdrive but critically its in the same ballpark as Infamous. Halo collection is coming out and it looks like good value but at the end of the day its just games we've already played before.....which was the criticism against The Last of Us Remastered.
Even back at launch people were enjoying Dead Rising and Ryse and laughing at Killzone and Knack but if you check the average scores theres not much difference between them at gamerankings for example.
Now obviously reviews aren't the last word on a games quality before people jump on me but I'm trying to remain neutral here. I'd give the slight edge to X1 on retail games but only slightly. Both lineups seem about equal to me so I don't get why people pick on the PS4 only. Most of the big games have been on both systems. Hell games like sunset overdrive, infamous etc pale in comparison to the hype that GTA V has, or games like Destiny, Dragon Age, Diablo, Call of Duty and Shadow of Mordor. Those games were on both consoles. I would bet most x1/ps4 owners have been playi games like that and the EA sports games anyway.
Yeah I hated the ps3s year one lineup. Boy did things turn around a few years in though. I think thats what everyone expects from PS4.
El-Pistolero
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I agree. But if we put aside our respective views (I really dislike open world racers, so I am really not into Forza Horizon), we would be forced to defer to reviews to assess the value of a game's proposition. If Sunset Overdrive is hailed as this amazing title for getting a 82 score, I find it strange that Infamous SS, which obtained a 80, and sold much, much better, is barely mentioned as a worthy title...
Huggers
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I started a thread the other day about whether to sell my PS4. I have enjoyed a couple of games on it very much but generally I haven't found a lot to play in its first year. I am fussy though and there are games out there. I always thought Eurogamer was fairly unbiased incidentally
Acquiescence
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Oh yeah, forgot about that one. I guess because I have no interest in that game whereas I consider the other three as must-buys, but you're right, that further enforces what I'm saying. An amazing week indeed.
No real indie dev would say their games are fluff.
Ad Hominem is literally "to the person", which is where he took the argument. I'm not sure "Appeal to Hypocrisy" is mutually exclusive from it.
Doctor_Thomas
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If PS4 has no games, what have I been playing all year?
I read it and it doesn't change my point at all.
The whole premise it is built on is so shitty and it ignores a large chunk of games because they don't count for one reason or another.
It also somehow speaks for "PS4 owners," which is pretty damn hilarious actually.
Up until now i kinda agree with the article, except for Destiny and Infamous i havent used my ps4 much. I'm kinda envious of xboxone owners for Forza Horizon 2, D4 and Sunset Overdrive, but i'm sure that in 2015 things will change.
Until then, i'll just keep playing Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros U
Until then, i'll just keep playing Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros U
Nothing. You've been staring at the wall this whole time.
Sephiroth_GR_
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TheDarkKnight774
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Apparently stability updates
You are calling yourself out all the time?
I think it's been ok on both console's. Yea the exclusive's are not anything to shout about at the moment on any of them. I dunno I guess people just expect better from sony with what they put out last gen. That being said it's still early and last gen they did over rate game's likely due to the game"s look better they seem to be more cautious now, and rightly so better looking game's does not make an average game any better.
KnockOneOff
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It's true!
I regret buying my ps4 this early, there is just nothing at all for me to buy on that console
Please don't say 3rd parties, i am talking games i can't play anywhere else
I regret buying my ps4 this early, there is just nothing at all for me to buy on that console
Please don't say 3rd parties, i am talking games i can't play anywhere else
travisbickle
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I have to disagree with this. The original poster commented that if he was actually an indie developer he would not say that, trying to apply a way of thinking/acting/speaking to an abstract concept, invoking the "no true Scotsman" rule.
Shalalalalashaska
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I think eurogamer (and a lot of other gaming-media) made the mistake of assuming that a lack of console exclusives equals a lack of games in general. As a PS4 owner i don't agree with this. I've had a steady supply of games in PS4, all year long, with the free PS+ games helping me over the somewhat dry months of january and february this year. Yes there's been a lack of First party exclusives, but when i look at my PS3 and Xbox 360 library, about 75% of those games are multiplatform anyway. And this generation, the PS4 seems to be the best choice for Multiplayer games (excluding PC).
That article really does a good job of capturing my sentiment. I'm a collector - I was always going to own all three consoles - but despite owning it since launch, I've not felt the allure of a must-have. The only full title I've played extensively on PS4? Black Flag. The exclusives are leaving me cold (One possible exception: Second Son. But I'm still a game behind on the series, and I'm a stickler for playing titles in order; I'll pick up SS in due course, no doubt!), and much of the indie lineup is great but also stuff I've played in other forms elsewhere.
The next title I'm purchasing on PS4? Little Big Planet 3. It's the first full-price retail game that's interested me since launch. I'm really looking forward to it (I don't have the same problem as I do with Infamous there!). And yet... I *could* play that on PS3 if I wished.
The next title I'm purchasing on PS4? Little Big Planet 3. It's the first full-price retail game that's interested me since launch. I'm really looking forward to it (I don't have the same problem as I do with Infamous there!). And yet... I *could* play that on PS3 if I wished.
I've been feeling this way for quite a while, since before I saw much from the press offering the same sentiment.
"Better exclusives" Between consoles is definitely down to the individuals opinion. I'm loving infamous second son and tlou:r was awesome. Plus binding of isaac and pix the cat aren't on the xbox one...
February and March have the order and Blood borne so even though the end of the year is barren the start of next year looks great.
February and March have the order and Blood borne so even though the end of the year is barren the start of next year looks great.
I think they've missed the point of what usually sells consoles to the wider audience.
Sony could have the strongest first party lineup that they can muster and - while it would be extremely welcome for many, including me, and Eurogamer, and probably many on GAF - the best selling franchises for the year would still look mostly the same.
I say this as someone who still hasn't bought a PS4. It probably will be the first party and indie stuff coming next year that makes me bite the bullet but I'm probably not the typical buyer. It shouldn't be so difficult to accept that people have different tastes and different reasons for wanting something.
Sony could have the strongest first party lineup that they can muster and - while it would be extremely welcome for many, including me, and Eurogamer, and probably many on GAF - the best selling franchises for the year would still look mostly the same.
I say this as someone who still hasn't bought a PS4. It probably will be the first party and indie stuff coming next year that makes me bite the bullet but I'm probably not the typical buyer. It shouldn't be so difficult to accept that people have different tastes and different reasons for wanting something.
plasmawave
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OS beta testing.
Miles Quaritch
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Should have left your original post. You almost had me until I scrolled down.
God, that's depressing. To think the sarcastic points you made were something I'd expect someone to post in a serious manner.
toythatkills
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This isn't "Microsoft vs. Sony," this is just about PS4's first year.
It's very, very difficult to argue with Eurogamer's conclusion that if you hadn't bought a PS4 this year you could easily have had just as good a time playing the same games on PS3.
It's very, very difficult to argue with Eurogamer's conclusion that if you hadn't bought a PS4 this year you could easily have had just as good a time playing the same games on PS3.
It's true!
I regret buying my ps4 this early, there is just nothing at all for me to buy on that console
Please don't say 3rd parties, i am talking games i can't play anywhere else
But 3rd parties is important, because PS4 has most of the best versions of them...
GribbleGrunger
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Oh, yeah, and happy birthday PS4 ...
Majmun
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Of cause but as long as the ps3 has the multi plats and you are not bothered about better looking and performing games then you can carry on using the ps3 for another 10 years.
SolidSnakex
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It's not difficult because we're seeing PS4 versions of games sell better than any other version of them. So people have decided that they'd have more fun with those versions than they would've with a PS3 or 360 version of the same game. I won't touch a last gen version of a game if I can get it on the PS4. It's simply going to be a better game on that platform.
boredandlazy
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The waiting game!
PS4 has one game confirmed!
Phoenician_Viking
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The fact that people dismiss indy games really piss me off. It is not acknowledging all the hard work that indies put into their games, especially when a lot of them are better games than plenty of boxed games.
No, i call you out for the fact that you are saying persecution complex while you exercise it all the time in Nintendo threads. You don´t seem to understand what that means. But that is off topic so i will not answer you anymore.
No, i call you out for the fact that you are saying persecution complex while you exercise it all the time in Nintendo threads. You don´t seem to understand what that means. But that is off topic so i will not answer you anymore.
KnockOneOff
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Man there is hardly any difference between them, don't care how many milliseconds of slow down a comparison video shows to show you the difference, there is hardly nothing between them in reality
Dark_castle
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Sorry for missing out on Bloodborne then.
Wow lol.
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