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[Lalalandia]

I don't see a price cut of $150 from the MSRP, it's just too much investment from MS especially if it works and the XB1 starts to fly off shelves. It's a proposal that requires the best case scenario (outstripping PS4 monthly sales by say 2:1) to cost orders of magnitude more than the worst case scenario (XB1 monthly sales fall). I also cannot see them unbundling Kinect before a XB1 'Slim' or some such two or more years down the line.

This thread is like a Venus flytrap for over excited console warriors, some of these posts are just pure gold.

 

[not_so_special]

The one thing i dont get its the whole "spencer will change things you will be amused at e3" well im pretty sure he can do some good things,,but in what time? you people expect games to get out of his ass or something like that?

games ( triple aaa ones specially) takes a lot of time to made,yeah you will get halos,gears,some forza and kinect games from rare..but i dont know if thats its enough

the problem is ,microsoft have done a horrendous work with his studios and first party on general (and i dont wanna talk about their pc dev studios) meanwhile sony have really take care of that subject (even with some rocky moments like closing some of them)

so now..we are mere months to e3 and people expect microsoft to unleash a mirad of games...where? new ips? i dont have any doubt they will have a good show,but microsoft fans really expect sony to not show anything? they havent really show any or their big guns and they are very bold on that regard...microsoft played safe the last two years..sony launched one of the biggest new ips ( last of us) on the last days of the ps3

 

[Heshinsi]

He says he hates the company, those are his words. He did not clarify he hated some of the decisions they made, it was a blanket statement that is disrespectful to all the workers there. His opinions remain the same regardless of what they say or do. That to me means he doesn't want to hear any debate or discuss anything that can turn the system around. He just wants them to let go of the XBox brand so that Nintendo and Sony have less competition or someone else pick up the pieces. What does that have to do with MS going for Sony's throat?



I wasn't banned over you so don't flatter yourself. I was banned for whining in a DF analysis thread about Titanfall.

Because there are people who do care about games unlike what you think. You act like Microsoft is one big entity where everyone shares the same views. Meanwhile they let people go and shift people into different places. Even when they announce Phil Spencer at the helm you still have nothing positive to say. You've got one agenda and that is make sure the XBox One is at a state of failure.

So you're not allowed to hate a company? Do you subscribe to the "corporations are people" philosophy? I hate EA, I don't like MS outside of their Xbox division, I absolutely can't stand News Corp; what crime am I guilty of?

 

[badb0y]

It's already decided I don't know why you guys are arguing.

 

[Forgottonone]

The highest version I could find via google was 4.11, which may suggest at least 3 major updates over 4 years on the assumption it launched with a V1.n.

So yes, it is wrong. You seem to be equating cash flow with pre-figured investment & spending. Whether Sony or MS make a per-unit profit is immaterial to the FW upgrade path until the product is killed off - and even then it doesn't stop as MS have found with XP, which they are finally withdrawing update support for at the end of this month.

Okay admittedly I am wrong I was just theorizing in my head and there is no data to prove it just random speculation with no real facts. So thanks for clearing it up.

From what I understand they're not just dropping update support for xp they're not supporting it at all. As most of us know microsoft slowly kills off the older os's.. a practice that is garbage in my point of view. That's why I think split screen or LAN options on consoles add A LOT of life to the system long after you can't log on online with it.

 

[Biker19]

lol "disrespectful to all the workers there". Who cares if some random poster on a forum hates a particular company. It doesn't affect anything. You seem really bothered by this.

So you're not allowed to hate a company? Do you subscribe to the "corporations are people" philosophy? I hate EA, I don't like MS outside of their Xbox division, I absolutely can't stand News Corp; what crime am I guilty of?

Seriously, he just won't learn. He really gets my blood boiling.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

So if I hated a company/product it means I'm disrespectful to all its workers? Fucking LOL

If a company refuses to listen and make changes then by all means but when a company tries to change things around and some don't care what they do regardless then what's the point in discussing anything further?

So you're not allowed to hate a company? Do you subscribe to the "corporations are people" philosophy? I hate EA, I don't like MS outside of their Xbox division, I absolutely can't stand News Corp; what crime am I guilty of?

It's not my place to tell anyone who they should like or not but when an individual is so adamant not to hear anything positive they may have done or be doing then what's the point? I would simply ignore the product at that point and focus my attention elsewhere.

 

[kyser73]

Okay admittedly I am wrong I was just theorizing in my head and there is no data to prove it just random speculation with no real facts. So thanks for clearing it up.

From what I understand they're not just dropping update support for xp they're not supporting it at all. As most of us know microsoft slowly kills off the older os's.. a practice that is garbage in my point of view. That's why I think split screen or LAN options on consoles add A LOT of life to the system long after you can't log on online with it.

As someone who works for the NHS where most of our PCs still use XP it's a business headache I'm glad I don't gave to worry about!

But the XP example does raise an interesting point about the whole Azure/Thunderhead issue, and what business model MS have for offering cloud processing time to unsuccessful games that may make heavy use of it if they can get it working per the 'vision' for it on XBone, but that's a whole other thread topic.

 

[Forgottonone]

So you're not allowed to hate a company? Do you subscribe to the "corporations are people" philosophy? I hate EA, I don't like MS outside of their Xbox division, I absolutely can't stand News Corp; what crime am I guilty of?

2000 years ago might have got some stones thrown at you. Luckily freedom of speech isn't a crime. Individuality is awesome and we're not going to give it up.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Wow. You guys need to leave Cyphre alone. All the man is saying is that its disrespectful to belittle MS and not give them the proper respect that is due. If it weren't for their DirectX, most of you wouldn't be able to enjoy games the same way, so you all need to lay off the dogpiling. Of course, people always fear what they don't understand or don't want to compete with. I'm sensing a lot of fear in this thread.

 

[Heshinsi]

2000 years ago might have got some stones thrown at you. Luckily freedom of speech isn't a crime. Individuality is awesome and we're not going to give it up.

Haha This whole time I had no idea workers at companies I don't like, were feeling butt hurt about my views on where they work.

Wow. You guys need to leave Cyphre alone. All the man is saying is that its disrespectful to belittle MS and not give them the proper respect that is due. If it weren't for their DirectX, most of you wouldn't be able to enjoy games the same way, so you all need to lay off the dogpiling. Of course, people always fear what they don't understand or don't want to compete with. I'm sensing a lot of fear in this thread.

Microsoft is a corporation who's sole responsibility is to earn their investors money. Last May, that meant they were willing to screw over their consumers every which way to Sunday in the pursuit of those profits. The 180 wasn't done for our benefits, it didn't come out of the goodness of Microsoft's heart. It came out of a desire of not wanting to see $$$ fly out the window.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Haha This whole time I had no idea workers at companies I don't like, were feeling butt hurt about my views on where they work.

My fault for not clarifying earlier but it had to do with biker's comments from awhile ago where he said anyone important at Xbox doesn't care about games.

 

[Forgottonone]

Haha This whole time I had no idea workers at companies I don't like, were feeling butt hurt about my views on where they work.

One of my best friends worked for EA and by no means does he represent EA.. the higher ups in EA are the jack offs and pricks the honest workers who took out loans to go to school and get a job are very real people doing a honest job.

 

[ChosenPredator]

My fault for not clarifying earlier but it had to do with biker's comments from awhile ago where he said anyone important at Xbox doesn't care about games.

I have been starting to notice a pattern in every xbox thread when it comes to that the best thing to do is ignore it though otherwise you'll get caught up into something.


As for the thread I think both Nintendo & Microsoft have to go for that blow to the neck directed towards SONY, they're the champs right now so settling with anything less would be a lose, I expect to see some really intelligent moves by both companies.

I am also expecting greatness from sony...I just know as a gamer this is a exciting time and i love every moment of not knowing what any of these three guys are going to do.

 

[Biker19]

My fault for not clarifying earlier but it had to do with biker's comments from awhile ago where he said anyone important at Xbox doesn't care about games.

Outside of J.Allard & the Original Xbox team, they don't.

 

[Melchiah]

On that note.
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/ps2?view=condensed&sort=desc&page=0
Page 7 and a half is where the below 70 scores start. Page 15 (3rd to last on 14, really) is where the below 50 scores start. Page 16 2/3rd's are how many pages there are. And because everything between 70 and 50 doesn't exist, according to Metacritic, the PS2 had more good games than bad games. Because Metacritic is the alpha and omega of everything videogames. But, it's entirely possible there are games that weren't reviewed for the PS2.

The Gamecube and Xbox titles are N/A because they don't exist. According to Metacritic. All hail Metacritic.

On a side note, our neighborhood beekeeper bestowed upon us this scenario and I took it upon myself to find the answer because I myself was genuinely interested. Dragon Ball Z Sagas was bad, but it wasn't that bad.

Thanks for the effort. That's hundreds of 70+ games, which pretty much finishes off the argument of the PS2 having mostly games fit for landfill.

That's enough. I was in this thread before you so don't even go there. You're the one who 'pops up' any chance you get to regurgitate the same old rhetoric of how the XBox is doing poorly and MS will be forced by investors to pull the plug. Even when they say it's a major part of the company now you dismiss it, all because you can't stand the company. So no, I'm not starting shit with you or anyone else, you've got baggage your unwilling to part with which means the shit will continue to stick to you.

As an outsider to your still ongoing feud, I must say that it seems to me these things start when he posts something, that apparently rubs you the wrong way, and you start arguing with him. I don't remember seeing it starting the other way around. I could be wrong, as I don't really follow that closely what either of you post.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Doubt it, maybe match.

 

[Biker19]

It's already decided I don't know why you guys are arguing.

As an outsider to your still ongoing feud, I must say that it seems to me these things start when he posts something, that apparently rubs you the wrong way, and you start arguing with him. I don't remember seeing it starting the other way around. I could be wrong, as I don't really follow that closely what either of you post.

Because Louis always wants to start arguments with me. And I hate him.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Thanks for the effort. That's hundreds of 70+ games, which pretty much finishes off the argument of the PS2 having mostly games fit for landfill.

As an outsider to your still ongoing feud, I must say that it seems to me these things start when he posts something, that apparently rubs you the wrong way, and you start arguing with him. I don't remember seeing it starting the other way around. I could be wrong, as I don't really follow that closely what either of you post.

I started it in this thread with him yes because he keeps repeating himself even when the company has announced otherwise. The truth is he just wants them to drop the brand so he will go with anything that fits his agenda.

In the past is started with him basically calling me and anyone else a MS fanboy that says anything positive about the system and then mentioning my name to others to ignore what I have to say. What's interesting is he keeps saying he has me on ignore. Anyways it's probably best I ignore him, this isn't going anywhere and he won't ever change his opinion no matter what they do or what shape the system turns into.

 

[Heshinsi]

One of my best friends worked for EA and by no means does he represent EA.. the higher ups in EA are the jack offs and pricks the honest workers who took out loans to go to school and get a job are very real people doing a honest job.

That's exactly it though. I don't hate the workers at EA, those guys don't come into work to do a shitty job, and screw over consumers. When I say I don't like a particular company, it's their corporate behaviours, their current platform, and the decisions their executives make that I don't like.

 

[Averon]

Louis Cyphre, there's an ignore option for a reason if Biker's posts bother you so much.

 

[Biker19]

I started it in this thread with him yes because he keeps repeating himself even when the company has announced otherwise. The truth is he just wants them to drop the brand so he will go with anything that fits his agenda.

I have no agenda, stop fucking saying that. This is one of the reasons why I hate you.

In the past is started with him basically calling me and anyone else a MS fanboy that says anything positive about the system and then mentioning my name to others to ignore what I have to say.

No bud, you're the one that's always starting something whenever I talk bad about Microsoft. I never called anyone a MS fanboy but you because you were sure acting that way. Plus I never mentioned your name at all. Stop trying to make yourself look innocent.

What's interesting is he keeps saying he has me on ignore. Anyways it's probably best I ignore him, this isn't going anywhere and he won't ever change his opinion no matter what they do or what shape the system turns into.

I told you many times that I have you on ignore, but yet, you keep responding to me.

 

[Uno Venova]

THAT COMPANY HAD A FAMILY

 

[Salex_]

Louis Cyphre & Biker19 are like opposites. It's always fun to see them go at it. It's almost like a rocky love relationship.

 

[mechphree]

The Xbone is like the ps3 when it first launched. Give it time, a price drop and a new sku will move shipments.

 

[Pachinko]

Over the last few days it looks like the discussion in this thread has shifted from the OP's original question.

My 2 cents -

A lower price and a highly marketed "better value" campaign would do wonders for the Xbox One. I've noticed the last 2 weeks there have been many deals at various retailers- 33% discounts on Tomb Raider, Titanfall, Call of Duty, Ryse, Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3 (39.99 instead of 59.99) , the lego games have seemingly been marked down to 50$ as well. Some of these discounts come with the purchase of an xbox one only though, buy the system and you get 1 game free with the console and can then buy 3 or 4 other titles for that large discount. These discounts have extended to some of the accessories as well- an additional controller for 40 bucks instead of 60, a year of live for 40 instead of 60, etc.

They are all rewards for buying the system at full price and you still have to spend a ton of cash to really take advantage of it all. I can see it's working though , prior to the sales many of the stores that had only standard xbox ones and titanfall bundles were sitting on a half dozen + systems. Now they seem to be selling out faster and some more software is moving too. All those discounts undoubtedly mean the stores stocking all this stuff aren't making near as much profit though, or MS is reimbursing them at a later date perhaps ?

Either way, it's a start. I feel strongly that chopping that 100$ price difference off needs to happen sooner rather than later and IF they can also pull out the kinect , I could see 20$ more coming off. 379.99 - Xbox One 500 GB , NO kinect , NO games, NO live or anything. Just the system in a box for 24% less than before.

For the consoles still on the shelf that DO have kinect - 499.99 now gets you 3 months of live gold and a free copy of 2 of the following 4 games - Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Titanfall. As well, if you have an pre-existing xbox live account (IE- you own a 360) you'd get a 12 month xbox live extension for free and all 4 of those games as well- a way of encouraging 360 owners to "jump ahead".

Fast forward to the xmas season and they need to get some more SKU's out there. 499.99 SKU should be turned into a halo 2 10th anniversary bundle - comes with a digital copy of Halo 2 Anniversary , a 1 TB hard drive , Kinect and a specialty paint job. Any game that has sold over 500K copies by the end of this september gets a "platinum hits" release by christmas as well, 30$ for a retail copy and 20$ for digital if you have live gold.

I could see many of these ideas helping MS compete better but I'm not sure they can really catch up worldwide, this will merely prevent them from sliding further.

 

[Melchiah]

Because Louis always wants to start arguments with me. And I hate him.

I started it in this thread with him yes because he keeps repeating himself even when the company has announced otherwise. The truth is he just wants them to drop the brand so he will go with anything that fits his agenda.

In the past is started with him basically calling me and anyone else a MS fanboy that says anything positive about the system and then mentioning my name to others to ignore what I have to say. What's interesting is he keeps saying he has me on ignore. Anyways it's probably best I ignore him, this isn't going anywhere and he won't ever change his opinion no matter what they do or what shape the system turns into.

Why don't you both just put each other on ignore? Problem solved. It's not like either of you can convince the other to change his mind, or prove that his opinions are more wrong than yours. Just seems like a pointless feud to me.

 

[JustDrive]

Price doesn't bother me too much it's already getting cheaper than PS4 at the moment when you factor in Titanfall for £349 at various retailers, I won't 'jump In' until they ditch Kinect just out of principle, I'm not funding that garbage In any way, shape or form.

 

[Glorified G]

Because Louis always wants to start arguments with me. And I hate him.

This thread is so hilarious

 

[Birgitte2004]

The Xbone is like the ps3 when it first launched. Give it time, a price drop and a new sku will move shipments.

The Xbox One is nothing like the PS3 when it launched.

It's possible that it will start to move units and catch up, but if it will be taking an entirely different path to get there.

 

[Principate]

Because Louis always wants to start arguments with me. And I hate him.

He disagrees with your opinion on gaming forum so now you hate him? Come on man hate is a strong word and for this really for this?

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

The thread so far...

One poster thinks FW updates are innately tied to a profitable per-unit sale.

Someone who thinks Apple are great innovators, rather than a great design agency & commercialiser of other people's ideas. (Who FWIW lag behind the competition on terms of adding features to their OS)

Someone who thinks Xbox is MS most profitable division; that MS Azure is a part of XBone, rather than the reverse.

Someone who thinks PS2-era sucked; parity is good.

Thread delivers.

WUT?

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Holy fuck this thread is like performance art. This has been one of the most fun but brain damaging threads I've seen in a good while. Good show so far to everyone involved.

OT: MS needs to drop the price, but as far as any earth shattering announcements regarding their pricing structure, I don't expect much.

 

[BundysFeet]

I have no agenda, stop fucking saying that. This is one of the reasons why I hate you.



No bud, you're the one that's always starting something whenever I talk bad about Microsoft. I never called anyone a MS fanboy but you because you were sure acting that way. Plus I never mentioned your name at all. Stop trying to make yourself look innocent.



I told you many times that I have you on ignore, but yet, you keep responding to me.

And yet you keep responding to him...smh

 

[Uno Venova]

hating someone on a forum is literally 10/10 sadness

 

[Biker19]

He disagrees with your opinion on gaming forum so now you hate him? Come on man hate is a strong word and for this really for this?

It's not the first time he "disagrees," really. And he's been sometimes speaking to me in a rude way.

 

[RedNumberFive]

My fault for not clarifying earlier but it had to do with biker's comments from awhile ago where he said anyone important at Xbox doesn't care about games.

It's not far from the truth, especially considering the disastrous reveal. Hopefully now that they've cleaned house they can start steering the ship in the right direction.

 

[BundysFeet]

It's not the first time he "disagrees," really. And he's been sometimes been speaking to me in a rude way.

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

It's not far from the truth, especially considering the disastrous reveal. Hopefully now that they've cleaned house that can start steering the ship in the right direction.

It will be interesting to see what direction MS take over the next year bow that the whole senior structure has been completely changed. I don't think people will rely on Elop for anything but Spencer is a gamer at heart and if he has some weight then he could be the difference.

There's no way MS will be dropping the price to match the PS4 at E3. It's too soon and I doubt they want to take the hit on their profits. They need ti give people enough compelling reasons to buy the thing and one focus has to be the kinect. If you are forcing it in the box then show people why they have to have it. So far they have failed in that respect and the games so far are poor.

Everything MS did last year put me off buying the X1 and I only have 1 console per gen which is now the PS4. I am curious though as to how MS will continue to try and turn things around. E3 is going to be a fun ride I think.

 

[Deku Tree]

If Xbone loses March NPD with Titanfall and all the unofficial price drops and the bundles, that would just be horrible for MS and EA.

 

[sciencerob]

Wow. You guys need to leave Cyphre alone. All the man is saying is that its disrespectful to belittle MS and not give them the proper respect that is due. If it weren't for their DirectX, most of you wouldn't be able to enjoy games the same way, so you all need to lay off the dogpiling. Of course, people always fear what they don't understand or don't want to compete with. I'm sensing a lot of fear in this thread.

I don't agree. Microsoft earned the current attitude towards their gaming products. I mean, last generation I had all three consoles where as this generation I don't see myself getting an XB1. It doesn't matter if they made good products in the past. What matters is what I saw (and some others I would wager) as anti-consumer practices.

Their previous products have no reflection upon any "respect" anyone should give them. They should be judged by their intentions towards us as consumers. By a similar situation: I loved EA games as a kid. The past five years has soured me on EA games to the point that I now refuse to buy EA games. I am not going to base my purchases on their practices of 5+ years ago.

 

[Principate]

If Xbone loses March NPD with Titanfall and all the unofficial price drops and the bundles, that would just be horrible for MS and EA.

Not for EA, the only thing EA cares about is game sales. If Titanfall itself bombs then EA might care depending how much MS paid for the exclusivity. Even then they don't have to pay Respawn a cut until the games reaches a certain threshold, so in that scenario Respawn would be the real losers.

 

[vxXJordanXxv]

Wow. You guys need to leave Cyphre alone. All the man is saying is that its disrespectful to belittle MS and not give them the proper respect that is due. If it weren't for their DirectX, most of you wouldn't be able to enjoy games the same way, so you all need to lay off the dogpiling. Of course, people always fear what they don't understand or don't want to compete with. I'm sensing a lot of fear in this thread.

Please elaborate on your "fear" comment and what people "don't understand." Also I'm not going to give any respect to a company who tried to bring us back to the dark ages of consumer ownership.

 

[Natureboy99]

Whats wrong with second or third place if you are making money?

 

[Truespeed]

Wow. You guys need to leave Cyphre alone. All the man is saying is that its disrespectful to belittle MS and not give them the proper respect that is due. If it weren't for their DirectX, most of you wouldn't be able to enjoy games the same way, so you all need to lay off the dogpiling. Of course, people always fear what they don't understand or don't want to compete with. I'm sensing a lot of fear in this thread.

Yeah, we should be so thankful for a proprietary graphics SDK designed to lock in people to their platform. I guess we should also be thankful for all of their attempts to undermine OpenGL too. Too bad it backfired.

 

[2345425]

Whats wrong with second or third place if you are making money?

Nothing really, but do Microsoft's plans for Xbox as a Trojan Horse extend to the Xbone? If they do than market share could be very important to them. Only being modestly profitable might not be enough.

Not for EA, the only thing EA cares about is game sales. If Titanfall itself bombs then EA might care depending how much MS paid for the exclusivity. Even then they don't have to pay Respawn a cut until the games reaches a certain threshold, so in that scenario Respawn would be the real losers.

Were the terms of the contract with Respawn ever leaked?

 

[coldfoot]

Corporations don't just agree to billion dollar losses, regardless of how much money they have, just to make some console warriors feel good, so no. MS aren't even too concerned with sales outside US/UK and their console is doing just fine in those two territories. It may not be number one, but it's doing ok

 

[AniHawk]

if microsoft was smart, they would announce a ps4 price drop to $100. sony would then be selling a lot of consoles, but they would be losing too much to support themselves and eventually have to sell the playstation division to microsoft. then microsoft could merge the two businesses into one. naughty dog would work on gears of war, david cage could make fable, and polyphony could make project gotham racing.

 

[GreenTornadoX]

if microsoft was smart, they would announce a ps4 price drop to $100. sony would then be selling a lot of consoles, but they would be losing too much to support themselves and eventually have to sell the playstation division to microsoft. then microsoft could merge the two businesses into one. naughty dog would work on gears of war, david cage could make fable, and polyphony could make project gotham racing.

.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Interesting in what way? What does this data mining that you did tell you?



Then go and eat some salt. Pics or didn't happen.

A bit hard to get pics since we're talking about quotes, but here we go....

Krazy Ken strikes again and Shu must not be doing that good of a job if he keeps avoiding questions about TLG.

Finally someone who understands. March's NPD this week is only going to be the beginning of MS's comeback. Hell, even Wii U is going to slap PS4 around once Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. release.

You were saying? May not be an Xbox fanboy but they're pretty delusional about XBO's massive comeback as things are right now.

On a side note, I feel a little dirty for scrummaging through someone's post history to prove a point.