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Xbox One will NOT support Dutch Language for Kinect upon Dutch Xbox One launch
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yodathesoda
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But will MS be able to survive this travesty or will their reputation be slighted forever?
SkeptiMism
Member
I'll admit it's kind of weird how he says it. But with this quote
..I think he's talking about how integral that localization, which is not just text integration of the dashboard but a lot of things some of which he mentioned in that other quote a few posts above, is to bringing the console officially to the country.
3rdamention
Member
Wait, so Penello wasn't exactly telling the truth?
I'm shocked....
I'm shocked....
neogaffer1
Banned
Accents and the like. They have to localize so that it understands every single dialect.
travisbickle
Member
As an ignorant English speaker, is Dutch voice recognition available on other electronics like google/apple?
Samsung TVs have Korean voice recognition, it works 60% of the time every time.
Samsung TVs have Korean voice recognition, it works 60% of the time every time.
DaleinCalgary
Member
nice
LukasTaves
Member
Doesn't them still not having voice commands for these countries kinda proves Penello right? They are able to release it anyway now because kinect has been dropped, otherwise it could have been delayed even further...
Also, localization doesn't mean just voice, Ms also needed to trade xbox live servers to Azure servers, so games that rely on cloud compute behave the same on each country xbone is launched officially.
I don't think anyone could look back at launch and say they were being held by poor production rates, so either way, I don't see how this news makes previous claims not true.
Also, localization doesn't mean just voice, Ms also needed to trade xbox live servers to Azure servers, so games that rely on cloud compute behave the same on each country xbone is launched officially.
I don't think anyone could look back at launch and say they were being held by poor production rates, so either way, I don't see how this news makes previous claims not true.
ScaryMovies
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I seriously doubt you'll see localization for any of the countries mentioned in the Joystiq article..Not just Dutch. At least not at launch.
The whole localization excuse is just bs anyway. And it has been from the start. Releasing with English only localization in Europe wouldn't be much of as problem as English is the second language in most European countries
The whole localization excuse is just bs anyway. And it has been from the start. Releasing with English only localization in Europe wouldn't be much of as problem as English is the second language in most European countries
It doesn't have to be slighted 'forever'. The damage is done to Xbone, it's just a slow limp to ~35 million lifetime sales now.
Out_Of_Ammo
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...but they have pallets full of imported xbox ones in the tier 2 countries too.
Diprosalic
Banned
there are a pallets of german xbones rotting all over europe.
you can buy imported XB1 and games in most stores, but nobody does and the official launch won't change that.
Good question. I imported Xbox One from Microsoft Store in Germany right after release, and it works perfectly in Norway, even if it`s not released.
I thought many XB1s from germany are already in dutch Media Markts.
There is a detail that could make this a _very_ big deal.
First, is it true that if you have your console's region set to Dutch, then you cannot use English voice commands to speak to the Kinect? If so, that is a major, major problem. If someone has to change their region from something other than the Dutch region, in order to speak English voice commands to Kinect, then how are they supposed to make purchases on the Dutch marketplace?
Hmm, I guess stuff like "Xbox show notification" is a good example why it could be hard to translate:
"Xbox laat notificatie zien"
"Xbox geef notificatie weer"
funkystudent
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Here is what I think was the series of events that happen.
Mid last year
Delay the system in half the world to add proper Kinect integration.
Late last Year.
Launch in tier 1 countries. See that no one gives a fuck about Kinect.
Q1 2015
Panic, Panic, Panic.
Q2 2015
Remove Kinect as a pack in and start slowly phase it out.
Cut Kinect Localisation in renaming countries and spend the money on Tomb Raider / gamer t shirts for Spenser.
Q3
Every new syem bundle for the holiday is kinect-less because Kinect is done.
Will they even be selling a Kinect SKU at launch in these countries?
I am sure they where telling the truth about the Teir 2 delay last year but once they saw how Kinect was DOA they probably put those resources elsewhere but couldnt push the launch forward due to the logistics
Mid last year
Delay the system in half the world to add proper Kinect integration.
Late last Year.
Launch in tier 1 countries. See that no one gives a fuck about Kinect.
Q1 2015
Panic, Panic, Panic.
Q2 2015
Remove Kinect as a pack in and start slowly phase it out.
Cut Kinect Localisation in renaming countries and spend the money on Tomb Raider / gamer t shirts for Spenser.
Q3
Every new syem bundle for the holiday is kinect-less because Kinect is done.
Will they even be selling a Kinect SKU at launch in these countries?
I am sure they where telling the truth about the Teir 2 delay last year but once they saw how Kinect was DOA they probably put those resources elsewhere but couldnt push the launch forward due to the logistics
From what I understand, it's exactly the same in Finland. Xbox One launches this week, no Finnish language support for Kinect at all. And you can't use English commands either, unless you want to change your whole console to UK/US region. Basically the Kinect is deaf, and that's the result for 10 months of extra waiting and development time.
I think you are greatly exaggerating.
I was really hoping they would finally support the Dutch language. I got Kinect partly because I was expecting Dutch voice commands. But if that wasn't the case I would've been more than happy with English commands etc but keep the Dutch store. Really don't understand why this still isn't possible. Almost everyone in the Netherlands speaks English. C'mon Ms, not this shit again.
Yeah, we've been selling Ones since December last year. PS4 still crushes it. It's not pretty. Microsoft really shot themselves in the foot here. There has been a rise in demand and sales for the last 2 weeks, probably because MS is revving up the marketing machine in Benelux, but it's still nowhere near PS4 numbers.
Every electronics store sells them, but Game Mania (local gamestop if you will) still doesn't. Maybe they'll gather some sales from the under-informed?
That's true, but very few speak good, well pronounced English.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Ja dit zag je al aankomen.
Solaire of Astora
Death by black JPN
Doesn't the official release (day one version) come with a digital game or two? I imagine that may help initial sales.
dragonelite
Member
So i can forget about Frisian support?
But that's just a different way of saying something to achieve the same thing, I'm sure every language has this...
"Xbox display notification"
no it's not hard. just enforce a certain wording.
just like they're enforcing "go to APP/GAME-NAME" and "play" "launch" or "start" aren't valid commands.
it's super limited in english, they can make it equally limited in dutch.
you can't "yo whatupp x-bizzle, let's play some titanfall" either
Wouldn't this be confirmation that it was a localization issue? That even when they did launch at a later point, the speech language element wasn't able to be addressed?
Prophet Steve
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From what other people tell me I have an obvious Dutch accent but I rarely have trouble with software misunderstanding me. It is distinctive, but not an unclear accent.
There is not a lot that would need to be addressed. In a year you'd expect any company to be able to add one language. Sure you got accents, but that is always the case and hasn't seemed like much of a problem with the other languages.
86% of the population speak english, I'd imagine that is at least part of the reason.
For context, Apple launched Siri in 2010 and that doesn't support Dutch.
Google now doesn't support it either.
There's standard Dutch (though the Flemish sort of have their own version), but no received pronunciation. Some people are physically unable to pronounce certain letters / combinations (the ui diphtong for southerners/westerners and the 'hard g / soft g') that would be considered standard elswhere. Probably has to do with the fact that Dutch formed out of different peoples' languages.
In any case I always though localization had more to do with their TV integration ideas (before Netflix undercut their market), and the Dutch tv system is a notoriously difficult patchwork of media rights. Or something.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Penello een leugenaar? NEEEEEEEE , wie had dat gedacht. (rofl)
Yes there is 'algemeen nederlands', and everyone has to speak it in school since the 1980s at very least (a big part of why many dialects are dying out, you almost never see <30 year olds who can speak the original antwerp dialect anymore)
If they can have voice recognition for the UK with all their crazy accents then they can have it for belgium and the netherlands as well.
Anyhow, tier 2 countries result in tier 4 sales microsoft^^
edit: here's some voice recognition software from back in 2010, works just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4H9B5vu_eY
There's dutch speech recognition progs on phones and for office and there has been for ages
Yes there is 'algemeen nederlands', and everyone has to speak it in school since the 1980s at very least (a big part of why many dialects are dying out, you almost never see <30 year olds who can speak the original antwerp dialect anymore)
If they can have voice recognition for the UK with all their crazy accents then they can have it for belgium and the netherlands as well.
Anyhow, tier 2 countries result in tier 4 sales microsoft^^
edit: here's some voice recognition software from back in 2010, works just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4H9B5vu_eY
There's dutch speech recognition progs on phones and for office and there has been for ages
Then why launch it now? It was reason enough to cancel the launch a few month before the actual release last time after all and then delaying said launch by 10 full months.
Yeah, they have a Kinect-less SKU with Forza 5 and FIFA 15 for 399 and a Kinect Bundle SKU with the same game for 499. I don't care for those games, but that is still a pretty sweet deal for most gamers out there!
Why launch it?
Because they have removed Kinect as a requirement for the machine at the consumer's request. The consumer has said they don't want voice commands or Kinect, which they have done.
Triggerhappytel
Member
They had almost a year to add proper voice support. Why would it be something that comes quickly now?!
WickedCobra03
Member
I feel like MS deserves every bit of it so far. I have zero interests in this system. The Halo rerelease looked okay, but is.missing ODST, and again, my interest went back to zero from maybe a barely care.
CambriaRising
Member
That's insane. They don't even care.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Yep. This trumps the news of all their games and great moves they made over the last half year. All because of this horrible travesty.