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[Malyse]

I'll leave this here. It's tangential but worth a listen if you haven't

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent

 

[MetatronM]

New York City, holy...why do people live there? The cops are out of control.

Those are 3 stories in a city of 8.4 million people. 3 completely and totally despicable and unacceptable stories, to be sure, and even 1 is too many, but we're still talking about fractions of a fraction of a percent of the population. Even if there were 30,000 such cases, you're still only talking around 0.3% of the population. Or 99.7% of people completely unaffected by it.

Take the stop and frisk policy, for example. In 2011, there were 685,724 stop and frisk stops by NYPD. That's a "holy shit" ridiculously huge number that you would think, for sure, would be beyond intolerable for every day life...but even then, that still means that 92% of people were never affected by the policy, and that's assuming every stop and frisk was a unique person (which I think it's safe to say is almost certainly not the case).

So the point is that even with these rampant systemic problems and absolutely terrible practices, the vast overwhelming majority of people living here will never have it happen to them and may never even witness it firsthand for themselves.

 

[Malyse]

Those are 3 stories in a city of 8.4 million people. 3 completely and totally despicable and unacceptable stories, to be sure, and even 1 is too many, but we're still talking about fractions of a fraction of a percent of the population. Even if there were 30,000 such cases, you're still only talking around 0.3% of the population. Or 99.7% of people completely unaffected by it.

Take the stop and frisk policy, for example. In 2011, there were 685,724 stop and frisk stops by NYPD. That's a "holy shit" ridiculously huge number that you would think, for sure, would be beyond intolerable for every day life...but even then, that still means that 92% of people were never affected by the policy, and that's assuming every stop and frisk was a unique person (which I think it's safe to say is almost certainly not the case).

So the point is that even with these rampant systemic problems and absolutely terrible practices, the vast overwhelming majority of people living here will never have it happen to them and may never even witness it firsthand for themselves.

TL;DR There's a ton of white people this doesn't effect.

 

[Enzom21]

He is bringing attention to it to feed his racist and ignorant desires to keep race wars alive in the US instead of looking at this with any shred of dignity and intelligence.

I have seen this same argument made by white supremacists... I wonder what else you have in common with them?

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Where did he say that? I click it but it goes to the hivemind comment.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Those are 3 stories in a city of 8.4 million people. 3 completely and totally despicable and unacceptable stories, to be sure, and even 1 is too many, but we're still talking about fractions of a fraction of a percent of the population. Even if there were 30,000 such cases, you're still only talking around 0.3% of the population. Or 99.7% of people completely unaffected by it.

Take the stop and frisk policy, for example. In 2011, there were 685,724 stop and frisk stops by NYPD. That's a "holy shit" ridiculously huge number that you would think, for sure, would be beyond intolerable for every day life...but even then, that still means that 92% of people were never affected by the policy, and that's assuming every stop and frisk was a unique person (which I think it's safe to say is almost certainly not the case).

So the point is that even with these rampant systemic problems and absolutely terrible practices, the vast overwhelming majority of people living here will never have it happen to them and may never even witness it firsthand for themselves.

That's a really odd way of looking at things as we don't live in individual vacuums.

If you live in a minority community and see negative interactions with police on a constant basis is it really necessary for it to actually happen directly to you to have an impact on your life and how you view law enforcement?

 

[Mesousa]

If we are going to be completely honest the same shit people go through in NYC is the same thing that happens in all cities across America.

A cop in LA is the Same as a cop in NY for the most part. both represent the same oppressor

 

[Malyse]

If we are going to be completely honest the same shit people go through in NYC is the same thing that happens in all cities across America.

A cop in LA is the Same as a cop in NY for the most part. both represent the same oppressor

Cops are monsters.

.

 

[MetatronM]

TL;DR There's a ton of white people this doesn't effect.

Pretty much.

That's a really odd way of looking at things as we don't live in individual vacuums.

If you live in a minority community and see negative interactions with police on a constant basis is it really necessary for it to actually happen directly to you to have an impact on your life and how you view law enforcement?

Not making moral judgments or anything, nor am I saying it's a GOOD way of looking at it. Just that "out of sight, out of mind" is a major factor, especially when you're dealing with vast groups of people.

 

[djplaeskool]

It's OK guys, the police have retaliated against the man that recorded the incident.

Man who filmed cop's fatal chokehold arrested on gun charges

This case is a perfect example of the verisimilitude between tragedy and comedy.

This whole incident is utterly Shakespearean.
Good lord.

 

[YoungHav]

Hahaha my former boss grilled out on the sidewalk once last summer and my job was 2 blocks from a police station. He's white though so of course NYPD didn't say anything.

The guy who recorded the murder is gonna get punished more than the guys that actually murdered someone.

To protect and serve, ladies and gentlemen.

fucking shame but this is going to be the truth.

New York City, holy...why do people live there? The cops are out of control.

If it doesn't affect white people, then America couldn't give two shits. I saw a documentary on the Civil Rights movement and an old black man said the best thing to happen to the movement was when white volunteers from the North came down to help. Once white students/volunteers were getting their asses beat and killed, it increased the national spotlight on what black people were going through in the south and the rest is history. The NYPD's bullshit isn't going to be taken seriously until they actually fuck up and kill an innocent, respectable white person. Welcome to America :-(

It's funny how hive-mind uninformed GAF rally against guns but then defends something like this public outcry that Al Sharpton jacks off to at night so he can sleep knowing he is the biggest racist in the US. Maybe try not to be involved with stolen weapons and acting like morons when the police catch you in an illegal act, is that too much to ask?

Must be hot under that Klan hood of yours. Go make some Kool-Aid.

 

[Htown]

Fuck does Al Sharpton has to do with a dude that broke a fight killed by the police?

I literally don't ever even think of Al Sharpton until some white dude brings him up in an unrelated race discussion.

 

[Malyse]

I literally don't ever even think of Al Sharpton until some white dude brings him up in an unrelated race discussion.

Real talk? This is the only way I know dude's still alive.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

"Hey now, not ALL white people are like that! But you people all listen to Al Sharpton, and..."

Al Sharpton is only ever brought up by white people who can't handle realities.

 

[YoungHav]

lmao when Obama won the presidency my wife's uncle said Obama would do anything that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson told him to. Al Sharpton, O.J., and Obama are responsible for more white heart attacks than butter.

 

[Mesousa]

lmao when Obama won the presidency my wife's uncle said Obama would do anything that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson told him to. Al Sharpton, O.J., and Obama are responsible for more white heart attacks than butter.

They white?

 

[Jado]

Pretty much.


Not making moral judgments or anything, nor am I saying it's a GOOD way of looking at it. Just that "out of sight, out of mind" is a major factor, especially when you're dealing with vast groups of people.

This is very true. I've lived here 25 years and the number of white people who are completely unaware of this is both staggering and disheartening. Some even think you're making it up or exaggerating when talking about systemic racism in NY. There's this odd belief among the naive white populace, especially transplants, that this city is a multicultural utopia (never mind the ever-present segregation in job environments, neighborhoods and schools), and that the "good cops" are justifiably going after a few thugs in the hood way over yonder.

I literally don't ever even think of Al Sharpton until some white dude brings him up in an unrelated race discussion.

This. Invoked way more often by people with racist agendas than he ever appears in the news.

 

[Narpas Sword0]

He is bringing attention to it to feed his racist and ignorant desires to keep race wars alive in the US instead of looking at this with any shred of dignity and intelligence.

Does the police murdering citizens in broad daylight contribute to "race wars" at all? That's what this topic is about FYI

 

[Schattenjäger]

So now the wife got arrested lol

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/26213395/wife-video-arrested

 

[Amentallica]

New York City, holy...why do people live there? The cops are out of control.

Please tell us where you live so we can make just as stupid of a comment.

 

[commedieu]

So now the wife got arrested lol

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/26213395/wife-video-arrested

According to the NYPD huh...


.. as far as I can throw a lead piano.

 

[DoktorEvil]

New York City, holy...why do people live there? The cops are out of control.

Please tell us how much you hate NYC living in Phoenix.

 

[Leyasu]

That is fucking shocking RIP

 

[Camp Lo]

So now the wife got arrested lol

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/26213395/wife-video-arrested

That's what she gets for embarrassing the NYPD by association

 

[jamesinclair]

Only a few bad apples guys

Sikh Man Hospitalized After Truck Driver Calls Him A "Terrorist" & Runs Him Over

The Village Voice reports that Sandeep Singh was crossing 99th Street at 101 Avenue in Richmond Hill with his friends when the driver became angry that the group was blocking his car, and told him to "go back to your country." While Singh blocked the path of the truck as his friends called police, the driver ran over Singh, dragging him through the street.

Singh's brother, Navdeep Singh, said he had to collect surveillance footage from nearby bodegas and bring them to the 102 Precinct himself, because the NYPD hadn't bothered to do so.

When we asked the NYPD press office about the incident, Detective Kelly Ort asked, "Is the victim deceased?" No, we replied, but the victim was seriously injured, and the hit and run made it a criminal act.

"Thanks for clearing that up for me," Detective Ort replied. We insisted we were only trying to be helpful.

"Oh, is that what you were trying to be?" Detective Ort said, before telling us she wasn't familiar with the case and to try back later. Then she hung up.

http://gothamist.com/2014/08/05/sikh_queens_hate_crime.php

 

[DedValve]

So now the wife got arrested lol

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/26213395/wife-video-arrested

Their not even trying to hide it! This is reaching comic book lex luthor villainy right now!

 

[J10]

Tell me more about how I shouldn't yell fuck the cops at the top of my lungs.

 

[Enzom21]

Tell me more about how I shouldn't yell fuck the cops at the top of my lungs.

Because someone's father, brother, mother, sister, uncle, etc. might be a cop and that hurts their feelings.

 

[Malyse]

Tell me more about how I shouldn't yell fuck the cops at the top of my lungs.

Because someone's father, brother, mother, sister, uncle, etc. might be a cop and that hurts their feelings.

FUCK THE COPS.

 

[freeofgreed]

It's funny how hive-mind uninformed GAF rally against guns but then defends something like this public outcry that Al Sharpton jacks off to at night so he can sleep knowing he is the biggest racist in the US. Maybe try not to be involved with stolen weapons and acting like morons when the police catch you in an illegal act, is that too much to ask?

Damn, there's always gotta be at least one closet racist per thread.

 

[The Adder]

Damn, there's always gotta be at least one closet racist per thread.

"Closet?"

 

[Lime]

Only a few bad apples guys



http://gothamist.com/2014/08/05/sikh_queens_hate_crime.php

you have got to be shitting me.

 

[kame-sennin]

NYPD angry over 'lack of support':

NYPD cops are so fed up with Mayor de Blasio over the Eric Garner case that they’re threatening to work strictly by the book to protect themselves — even if it keeps them from responding to emergencies.

The head of the city sergeants union on Tuesday publicly urged cops to dot every “i” and cross every “t” amid de Blasio’s alleged lack of support for officers after Garner’s chokehold death in police custody last month..

“Going forward, for members of the NYPD, we want you to do your job and follow the rule book the way it’s written,” Sergeants Benevolent Association President Ed Mullins said during a news conference in Manhattan. “If there’s a delay getting to the next place, so be it.”

He later elaborated, saying, “When a police officer responds to a scene, he should complete the job there before moving on to the next job.

“Let’s say he gets called to a burglary, then he should follow the job to its completion before responding to the second job. And if the second job is more serious, the officer might not respond there immediately, depending on what’s happening in the first job he responded to.”

At the same news conference, Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association President Pat Lynch insisted that a chokehold wasn’t used during Garner’s caught-on-video arrest, and blasted the Medical Examiner’s Office review that ruled Garner’s July 17 death a homicide.

“The document from the Medical Examiner’s Office, that is a political document not backed up by the scientific ­report,” Lynch seethed.

“This was not a chokehold. We will get medical examiners to go over this autopsy when it is finally released,” he added.

Lynch also noted that Garner “was a large man who was ­resisting arrest, he had to be brought to the ground the way we’re trained.”

And Lynch ripped de Blasio for not having cops’ backs.

“I think the mayor needs to support New York City’s police officers — unequivocally say it, and unequivocally say resisting arrest hurts everyone, police officers and citizens alike, and will not be tolerated,” Lynch said.

He also attacked the Rev. Al Sharpton, whom he called one of the “race baiters . . . whose business is to stir up the street, not make the street safe.”

http://nypost.com/2014/08/05/union-chief-tells-cops-to-follow-the-rules-amid-chokehold-probe/

 

[JDSN]

Ed Mullins is Damian. confirmed.

 

[Malyse]

Ed Mullins is Damian. confirmed.

Naw, Pat Lynch

Spoiler

them all

 

[Saint Gregory]

Are we going to have any more NYPD supporters around to tell us to stop badgering the good guys? They're basically threatening a work stoppage because the mayor refuses to sanction murdering citizens during arrests.

 

[Dali]

So the ME's opinion is good enough to put other thugs in jail but when it comes to the thugs in blue it's not to be trusted (even with supporting video evidence lol)?

Also if you aren't responding to emergencies then what good are you anyway? The only thing that allowed you to kill and assault with impunity in the first place was some perceived value in the safety of others. Good luck throwing that little bit away. It does seem odd that their written regulations don't put priority over responding to an emergency over say... ticketing a jaywalker.

 

[Malyse]

Are we going to have any more NYPD supporters around to tell us to stop badgering the good guys? They're basically threatening a work stoppage because the mayor refuses to sanction murdering citizens during arrests.

PLOT TWIST: Crime rate drops.

 

[kame-sennin]

Are we going to have any more NYPD supporters around to tell us to stop badgering the good guys? They're basically threatening a work stoppage because the mayor refuses to sanction murdering citizens during arrests.

I could respect a work stoppage or strike (although not for these reasons). But what the NYPD is doing is not-so-vaguely threatening to not respond to violent crimes in progress because they're going to deal with every case by the book. That's a mafia shake down. "I might be a little slow gettin to ya house. I sure hope nothin bad happens to ya."

 

[commedieu]

I must be Jabba The Hut, because this motherfucker is telling me that my eyes are lying?

He wasn't choked? It wasn't a choke hold?

PLOT TWIST: Crime rate drops.

right???

 

[Malyse]

I must be Jabba The Hut, because this motherfucker is telling me that my eyes are lying?

He wasn't choked? It wasn't a choke hold?

Come now, would the police lie to us? We've always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[Siegcram]

Brilliant move to increase their support by the NYPD. Childish pettiness.

 

[Parallax]

Every time this thread gets bumped, shit gets stacker higher. Im honestly expecting to see the victims wife get arrested soon.

 

[Malyse]

Every time this thread gets bumped, shit gets stacker higher. Im honestly expecting to see the victims wife get arrested soon.

I guess I'm more cynical. I'm expecting them to start accidenting people to death.

 

[TheJLC]

PLOT TWIST: Crime rate drops.

It would, because crime rate is determined by the number of police reports. No officers making reports, no crime rate. Meaning no crime in NY!

 

[Zeus Molecules]

I could respect a work stoppage or strike (although not for these reasons). But what the NYPD is doing is not-so-vaguely threatening to not respond to violent crimes in progress because they're going to deal with every case by the book. That's a mafia shake down. "I might be a little slow gettin to ya house. I sure hope nothin bad happens to ya."

Hey they are the biggest gang in America.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Unbelievable. I don't think it should even matter if it was technically a chokehold or not. They murdered that man. They took him to the ground, ignored the obvious signs that he was in trouble and let him die underneath the weight of their fat asses without lifting a finger to do anything about it.

 

[Malyse]

It would, because crime rate is determined by the number of police reports. No officers making reports, no crime rate. Meaning no crime in NY!

Okay Drax.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Those are 3 stories in a city of 8.4 million people. 3 completely and totally despicable and unacceptable stories, to be sure, and even 1 is too many, but we're still talking about fractions of a fraction of a percent of the population. Even if there were 30,000 such cases, you're still only talking around 0.3% of the population. Or 99.7% of people completely unaffected by it.

Take the stop and frisk policy, for example. In 2011, there were 685,724 stop and frisk stops by NYPD. That's a "holy shit" ridiculously huge number that you would think, for sure, would be beyond intolerable for every day life...but even then, that still means that 92% of people were never affected by the policy, and that's assuming every stop and frisk was a unique person (which I think it's safe to say is almost certainly not the case).

So the point is that even with these rampant systemic problems and absolutely terrible practices, the vast overwhelming majority of people living here will never have it happen to them and may never even witness it firsthand for themselves.

I posted a while back (either in this thread or a similar one), for the black and white populations, the odds of being stopped while black were literally 10x as much as being stopped while black. There's a very obvious reason black NYers notice it more.

 

[Unicorn]

It's really dumb how this happens. They all pile on top of the person and deny him the ability to breath and are shocked that he dies. Do they just not understand how the human body works? How the lungs work?

They probably think they are just trying to escape being detained. Personally, I'd rather err on the side of caution and listen. If they are unarmed and there's other cops - it should be no problem to tackle them again if they were just lying and try to escape.