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Microsoft: Xbox One leading sales in US since price cut, nearly 10 million sold-in

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Doctor_Thomas

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Goodacre0081 said:
not sure if this was posted yet. interesting take.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrog...-tripled-but-is-that-less-than-meets-the-eye/
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That's something I never really thought about. If the leap to October to November is, traditionally, tripled or quadrupled anyway, then selling triple (assuming they mean over last month), isn't particularly impressive but, assuming all things being equal, the PS4 and Wii U will make similar leaps.

Basically, it means nothing.
 
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Hoho for breakfast

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Well if the Xbox did indeed outsell the PS4 over the last 2 weeks, it's pretty hard to deny that it did well. With that said, MS better hold that momentum through November as it would be extremely embarrassing/bad for MS if Sony still somehow wins November. If MS loses November with the price cut and bundles (plus Halo and SSO), when could they possibly win? It doesn't seem likely they ever would.
 
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benny_a

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Doctor_Thomas said:
That's something I never really thought about. If the leap to October to November is, traditionally, tripled or quadrupled anyway, then selling triple (assuming they mean over last month), isn't particularly impressive but, assuming all things being equal, the PS4 and Wii U will make similar leaps.

Basically, it means nothing.
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It's hard to say how much Black Friday is responsible for that though. I've seen conflicting reports about how significant that week is.

What I'm saying is that their tripling could still be significant this early in the month, even though over the whole month tripling is expected.
 
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Lemondish

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benny_a said:
It's hard to say how much Black Friday is responsible for that though. I've seen conflicting reports about how significant that week is.

What I'm saying is that their tripling could still be significant this early in the month, even though over the whole month tripling is expected.
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Wouldn't it be great if they expanded on this claim rather than acting like context isn't important?
 
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Lemondish

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Hoho for breakfast said:
Well if the Xbox did indeed outsell the PS4 over the last 2 weeks, it's pretty hard to deny that it did well. With that said, MS better hold that momentum through November as it would be extremely embarrassing/bad for MS if Sony still somehow wins November. If MS loses November with the price cut and bundles (plus Halo and SSO), when could they possibly win? It doesn't seem likely they ever would.
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Their problems also don't end if they do win a month. They have nothing coming in the first half of 2015 and will be forced to make this price drop permanent if they want any sort of continued momentum.
 
Hoho for breakfast

Hoho for breakfast

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I'm also noting that MS says they have the most sales over the last 2 weeks, but what does that even mean? Does it mean sold through to customers, or does it simply mean they sold more to retailers than Sony? Hard to tell the way they obfusgate constantly and they say it right before talking about how many they'll have shipped to retailers..."shortly".

Lemondish said:
Their problems also don't end if they do win a month. They have nothing coming in the first half of 2015 and will be forced to make this price drop permanent if they want any sort of continued momentum.
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Absolutely. I think Sony is going to kill them in sales next year. Particularly if MS actually increases the price back up to $400 after this "sale".
 
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Lrrr

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Dr Bass said:
I believe it ended up being the week before the sale, but I could be wrong.
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ChainsawFilms said:
Tripled in comparison to the previous week where no-one purchased the console because they were waiting for the price cut. They gave up in October, announced the price cut to kick off when the November NPD starts. PR points and high fives.
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Then "Triple" is not impressive if the prior week sales for XB1 were something like 15,000 or whatever. We really need a base number before "Triple" is something to brag about.

One piece of data I wish I could get my hands on is the number of returned XB1 consoles to retailers in the last 30 days. I was in Best Buy today and I saw a guy refunding his XB1. I wonder how many people purchased an XB1 prior to knowing about the $349 price cut and have returned it during their 15/30/45 day window (Regular, Elite or Elite Plus members)?
 
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Conduit

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Beysus said:
Sony's issue is providing the other territories outside of NA with stock during the holiday period as well.

MS only has to focus on NA and the UK and stuff those channels. Sony covers a bigger market. Hopefully they've manufactured enough Ps4 consoles. They can't afford any shortages, especially not in NA and the Uk.
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Well, MS in Semptember also expand market for Xbone. They can't concentrate only for UK or US. Chinese want to play Sunset Overdrive.


Lrrr said:
Tripled in comparison to what exactly - the rest of the world, the previous month, the last quarter?
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I don't know. Ask Phil or Greenberg.
 
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Captain Tuttle

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Doctor_Thomas said:
That's something I never really thought about. If the leap to October to November is, traditionally, tripled or quadrupled anyway, then selling triple (assuming they mean over last month), isn't particularly impressive but, assuming all things being equal, the PS4 and Wii U will make similar leaps.

Basically, it means nothing.
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Considering the rocky life of the Xbone so far I can see MS being genuinely happy with this
 
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Goodacre0081

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Lrrr said:
Then "Triple" is not impressive if the prior week sales for XB1 were something like 15,000 or whatever. We really need a base number before "Triple" is something to brag about.

One piece of data I wish I could get my hands on is the number of returned XB1 consoles to retailers in the last 30 days. I was in Best Buy today and I saw a guy refunding his XB1. I wonder how many people purchased an XB1 prior to knowing about the $349 price cut and have returned it during their 15/30/45 day window (Regular, Elite or Elite Plus members)?
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i though you could just get it price matched and get the money back without having to bring the entire console back to the store?
 
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Lrrr

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Goodacre0081 said:
i though you could just get it price matched and get the money back without having to bring the entire console back to the store?
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The price difference maybe, but not the bundled controller the BB ad is promoting. Of course, this is assuming that 1) a person wants to rebuy the XB1 from Best Buy and not elsewhere and 2) they haven't been swayed by the PS4 bundles.
 
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3rdamention

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Lrrr said:
Tripled in comparison to what exactly - the rest of the world, the previous month, the last quarter?
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It is pretty obvious in compared to what, the previous week before the price drop. Remember, they announced the price drop 6 days before it happened. So anyone that heard about the drop, wasn't going to buy one that week, of course they sold triple lol
Yusef said:

The response to this wave of blockbuster game releases and new bundles has been amazing, and sales have skyrocketed since the new price took effect on Nov. 2. Compared to the previous week, Xbox One sales in the US have more than tripled, which is exciting as more and more friends will be playing together this holiday.
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graywolf323

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3rdamention said:
It is pretty obvious in compared to what, the previous week before the price drop. Remember, they announced the price drop 6 days before it happened. So anyone that heard about the drop, wasn't going to buy one that week, of course they sold triple lol
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that's actually kinda bad in a way, if they only tripled from a week where sales were deflated by people waiting for the price drop
 
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El-Pistolero

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open_mouth_ said:
As I shrewdly predicted before the start of this generation, the Xbox One has taken a leadership position in the North American console market right before the most critical holiday shopping season of recent memory. You could say they took the bull by the horn and are riding her like secretariat all the way to the finish line.

More gaming dollars are spent in the November and December months than in the rest of the year combined, so positioning the Xbox One console and game bundles at a family-friendly $349.99 price point before Sony has any chance to scramble together a legitimate response is, simply put, a stroke of marketing genius.

If the early reports are any indication, the Xbox One now not only has the value share with it's lower price point, it is winning back the hearts and minds of gamers with envelope-pushing, blockbuster AAA next-generation software like Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Unity, Sunset Overdrive, and Halo: Master Chief Collection.

In fact, earlier in the week, one top industry media outlet wrote about how Sony's momentum with the Playstation 4 could be coming to a screeching halt due to the lack of compelling exclusive software on that platform. Add to that the recent network issues of Sony's network and launch difficulties of key games like Driveclub and Assassin's Creed Unity, and you have a recipe for potential disaster.

With nearly 10 million Xbox One's sold in compared to 13.5 million Playstation 4's shipped at last count, the tides seem to be turning faster than anyone could have predicted. Last generation, the tag phrase was the first to 10 million wins, so it's only fitting that in this more advanced generation, the pundits may look back and say, "the first to 20 million" is the One who was victorious. Hope this clarifies things for you.
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LMAO! That was good, brother...really good!
 
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spatenfloot

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This PR is exactly the same as the one they gave after the kinectless bundle was released. They multiplied a reduced number due to people waiting to buy.

Yes, they are also selling more than Sony for the first part of the month due to people taking advantage of the price drop. However, anyone planning to buy a PS4 in November is likely waiting for the Black Friday deals to start so those sales will be pushed back a couple of weeks.
 
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Welfare

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spatenfloot said:
This PR is exactly the same as the one they gave after the kinectless bundle was released. They multiplied a reduced number due to people waiting to buy.

Yes, they are also selling more than Sony for the first part of the month due to people taking advantage of the price drop. However, anyone planning to buy a PS4 in November is likely waiting for the Black Friday deals to start so those sales will be pushed back a couple of weeks.
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Same for the Xbox One then. People will wait for anything when Black Friday is close.
 
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2thepoint

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open_mouth_ said:
As I shrewdly predicted before the start of this generation, the Xbox One has taken a leadership position in the North American console market right before the most critical holiday shopping season of recent memory. You could say they took the bull by the horn and are riding her like secretariat all the way to the finish line.

More gaming dollars are spent in the November and December months than in the rest of the year combined, so positioning the Xbox One console and game bundles at a family-friendly $349.99 price point before Sony has any chance to scramble together a legitimate response is, simply put, a stroke of marketing genius.

If the early reports are any indication, the Xbox One now not only has the value share with it's lower price point, it is winning back the hearts and minds of gamers with envelope-pushing, blockbuster AAA next-generation software like Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Unity, Sunset Overdrive, and Halo: Master Chief Collection.

In fact, earlier in the week, one top industry media outlet wrote about how Sony's momentum with the Playstation 4 could be coming to a screeching halt due to the lack of compelling exclusive software on that platform. Add to that the recent network issues of Sony's network and launch difficulties of key games like Driveclub and Assassin's Creed Unity, and you have a recipe for potential disaster.

With nearly 10 million Xbox One's sold in compared to 13.5 million Playstation 4's shipped at last count, the tides seem to be turning faster than anyone could have predicted. Last generation, the tag phrase was the first to 10 million wins, so it's only fitting that in this more advanced generation, the pundits may look back and say, "the first to 20 million" is the One who was victorious. Hope this clarifies things for you.
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shadowsdarknes

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It seems like Sony is just shifting into second gear heading into the holiday season.

Conversely, Microsoft has activated the turbo boosters.

Console generations are a marathon and Sony is still executing the same strategy they had since early 2013.
 
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2thepoint

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Conduit said:
I don't know.... When these guys, the most misleading PR in Microsoft, said that Xbone is leading in US and sales are skyrocketed i really smell something will go wrong in NPD November results.

Yusuf Mehdi - Xbone sales skyrocketed

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Oh my good god, I am in disbelief that Major Nelson had the audacity to actually tweet that nonsense - it's disturbing how dishonest it is.

As if he didn't know what he was typing. Reminds me of when he tweeted during E3 2013 that Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain was exclusive to Xbox One.

But what is even more hilarious are the desperate tweets from Aaron Greenberg which constantly change the goalposts to suit their narrative, and even worse, tagging the ethereal being and loyal propagandist known as TimDog.
 
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Jigorath

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CoG said:
Greenberg again. Remember pre-season?

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Didn't Spencer say that September, October, November, and December were the only months that mattered? I guess now September and October don't matter either. And I suppose every single country outside the US doesn't exist anymore. Winning two months in a single country. Primetime ladies and gentlemen.
 
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Biker19

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2thepoint said:
Oh my good god, I am in disbelief that Major Nelson had the audacity to actually tweet that nonsense - it's disturbing how dishonest it is.

As if he didn't know what he was typing. Reminds me of when he tweeted during E3 2013 that Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain was exclusive to Xbox One.

But what is even more hilarious are the desperate tweets from Aaron Greenberg which constantly change the goalposts to suit their narrative, and even worse, tagging the ethereal being and loyal propagandist known as TimDog.
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It's just pathetic. Really.
 
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IndoAssassin

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Beysus said:
Sony's issue is providing the other territories outside of NA with stock during the holiday period as well.

MS only has to focus on NA and the UK and stuff those channels. Sony covers a bigger market. Hopefully they've manufactured enough Ps4 consoles. They can't afford any shortages, especially not in NA and the Uk.
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Actually now this statement makes sense. If people can't find a PS4, that $350 is a lot more attractive than the $500 pricetag. Considering what happened last December, a shortage would guarantee MS winning this holiday by a good margin.
 
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fastford58

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2thepoint said:
Oh my good god, I am in disbelief that Major Nelson had the audacity to actually tweet that nonsense - it's disturbing how dishonest it is.

As if he didn't know what he was typing. Reminds me of when he tweeted during E3 2013 that Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain was exclusive to Xbox One.

But what is even more hilarious are the desperate tweets from Aaron Greenberg which constantly change the goalposts to suit their narrative, and even worse, tagging the ethereal being and loyal propagandist known as TimDog.
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Every time I start warming to the idea of getting an X1, they pull this stupid shit and remind me why I shouldn't.
 
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nynt9

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IndoAssassin said:
Actually now this statement makes sense. If people can't find a PS4, that $350 is a lot more attractive than the $500 pricetag. Considering what happened last December, a shortage would guarantee MS winning this holiday by a good margin.
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I don't think they can win by a "good margin" but there's a possibility of them making marginally higher sales than the ps4 for december, maaaaybe november. But it's still extremely unlikely, I'd say. That is, of course, presuming the scenario you propose happens.
 
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Head.spawn

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Yeah, I don't follow. It's not like they're stretching the truth at all, it's completely asinine to suggest November/December aren't the biggest months for console sales in this territory.

Looking at 360 in 2012

Aug: 193k
Sept: 270k
Oct: 270k
Nov: 1.26m
Dec: 1.4m
 
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krypt0nian

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open_mouth_ said:
As I shrewdly predicted before the start of this generation, the Xbox One has taken a leadership position in the North American console market right before the most critical holiday shopping season of recent memory. You could say they took the bull by the horn and are riding her like secretariat all the way to the finish line.

More gaming dollars are spent in the November and December months than in the rest of the year combined, so positioning the Xbox One console and game bundles at a family-friendly $349.99 price point before Sony has any chance to scramble together a legitimate response is, simply put, a stroke of marketing genius.

If the early reports are any indication, the Xbox One now not only has the value share with it's lower price point, it is winning back the hearts and minds of gamers with envelope-pushing, blockbuster AAA next-generation software like Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Unity, Sunset Overdrive, and Halo: Master Chief Collection.

In fact, earlier in the week, one top industry media outlet wrote about how Sony's momentum with the Playstation 4 could be coming to a screeching halt due to the lack of compelling exclusive software on that platform. Add to that the recent network issues of Sony's network and launch difficulties of key games like Driveclub and Assassin's Creed Unity, and you have a recipe for potential disaster.

With nearly 10 million Xbox One's sold in compared to 13.5 million Playstation 4's shipped at last count, the tides seem to be turning faster than anyone could have predicted. Last generation, the tag phrase was the first to 10 million wins, so it's only fitting that in this more advanced generation, the pundits may look back and say, "the first to 20 million" is the One who was victorious. Hope this clarifies things for you.
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This is what it sounds like, when doves cry.
 
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A_Gorilla

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open_mouth_ said:
As I shrewdly predicted before the start of this generation, the Xbox One has taken a leadership position in the North American console market right before the most critical holiday shopping season of recent memory. You could say they took the bull by the horn and are riding her like secretariat all the way to the finish line.

More gaming dollars are spent in the November and December months than in the rest of the year combined, so positioning the Xbox One console and game bundles at a family-friendly $349.99 price point before Sony has any chance to scramble together a legitimate response is, simply put, a stroke of marketing genius.

If the early reports are any indication, the Xbox One now not only has the value share with it's lower price point, it is winning back the hearts and minds of gamers with envelope-pushing, blockbuster AAA next-generation software like Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Unity, Sunset Overdrive, and Halo: Master Chief Collection.

In fact, earlier in the week, one top industry media outlet wrote about how Sony's momentum with the Playstation 4 could be coming to a screeching halt due to the lack of compelling exclusive software on that platform. Add to that the recent network issues of Sony's network and launch difficulties of key games like Driveclub and Assassin's Creed Unity, and you have a recipe for potential disaster.

With nearly 10 million Xbox One's sold in compared to 13.5 million Playstation 4's shipped at last count, the tides seem to be turning faster than anyone could have predicted. Last generation, the tag phrase was the first to 10 million wins, so it's only fitting that in this more advanced generation, the pundits may look back and say, "the first to 20 million" is the One who was victorious. Hope this clarifies things for you.
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Hindle 2.0?
 
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Ashad Mamood

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open_mouth_ said:
As I shrewdly predicted before the start of this generation, the Xbox One has taken a leadership position in the North American console market right before the most critical holiday shopping season of recent memory. You could say they took the bull by the horn and are riding her like secretariat all the way to the finish line.

More gaming dollars are spent in the November and December months than in the rest of the year combined, so positioning the Xbox One console and game bundles at a family-friendly $349.99 price point before Sony has any chance to scramble together a legitimate response is, simply put, a stroke of marketing genius.

If the early reports are any indication, the Xbox One now not only has the value share with it's lower price point, it is winning back the hearts and minds of gamers with envelope-pushing, blockbuster AAA next-generation software like Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Unity, Sunset Overdrive, and Halo: Master Chief Collection.

In fact, earlier in the week, one top industry media outlet wrote about how Sony's momentum with the Playstation 4 could be coming to a screeching halt due to the lack of compelling exclusive software on that platform. Add to that the recent network issues of Sony's network and launch difficulties of key games like Driveclub and Assassin's Creed Unity, and you have a recipe for potential disaster.

With nearly 10 million Xbox One's sold in compared to 13.5 million Playstation 4's shipped at last count, the tides seem to be turning faster than anyone could have predicted. Last generation, the tag phrase was the first to 10 million wins, so it's only fitting that in this more advanced generation, the pundits may look back and say, "the first to 20 million" is the One who was victorious. Hope this clarifies things for you.
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When will MS activate the 2nd DGPU? ??
 
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Cidd

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open_mouth_ said:
As I shrewdly predicted before the start of this generation, the Xbox One has taken a leadership position in the North American console market right before the most critical holiday shopping season of recent memory. You could say they took the bull by the horn and are riding her like secretariat all the way to the finish line.

More gaming dollars are spent in the November and December months than in the rest of the year combined, so positioning the Xbox One console and game bundles at a family-friendly $349.99 price point before Sony has any chance to scramble together a legitimate response is, simply put, a stroke of marketing genius.

If the early reports are any indication, the Xbox One now not only has the value share with it's lower price point, it is winning back the hearts and minds of gamers with envelope-pushing, blockbuster AAA next-generation software like Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Unity, Sunset Overdrive, and Halo: Master Chief Collection.

In fact, earlier in the week, one top industry media outlet wrote about how Sony's momentum with the Playstation 4 could be coming to a screeching halt due to the lack of compelling exclusive software on that platform. Add to that the recent network issues of Sony's network and launch difficulties of key games like Driveclub and Assassin's Creed Unity, and you have a recipe for potential disaster.

With nearly 10 million Xbox One's sold in compared to 13.5 million Playstation 4's shipped at last count, the tides seem to be turning faster than anyone could have predicted. Last generation, the tag phrase was the first to 10 million wins, so it's only fitting that in this more advanced generation, the pundits may look back and say, "the first to 20 million" is the One who was victorious. Hope this clarifies things for you.
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Hindle would be proud...
 
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Game Guru

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EGM1966 said:
If Sony as a whole was profitable and in good shape I'm sure they'd be tempted to eat some margin and deliver a possibly killer blow.

But they're not. As things stand I suspect Sony are willing to risk losing next two months in US so long as they retain overall lead (which they almost certainly will do), sell lots themselves (which they almost certainly will do) and most importantly make a profit.

MS are almost certainly eating a lot of margin now and over peak trading. They can afford to though.

I'd imagine Sony figure the following:
MS sell most but not that much more than Sony - decent probability of happening and not a bad outcome for Sony although gives MA a PR win
Sony pip MS at the post - smaller probability but not that unlikely and if it happens a big PR win plus they didn't eat any margin to achieve it
MS massively outsells Sony - very unlikely and not worth risking margin to proactively try and prevent it

Sony bundles seem solid and overall they have the momentum. Most likely they're only risking MS catching up fractionally and getting some short lived PR.
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I think Sony integrated some thinking that is typically associated with Nintendo into their PlayStation business... In that Sony is focused on profitability first and marketshare second with the PS4. Besides, all Sony really has to do to win this generation is make sure Xbox One doesn't get extremely far ahead in the US and the UK.
 
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DeadlyVirus

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open_mouth_ said:
As I shrewdly predicted before the start of this generation, the Xbox One has taken a leadership position in the North American console market right before the most critical holiday shopping season of recent memory. You could say they took the bull by the horn and are riding her like secretariat all the way to the finish line.

More gaming dollars are spent in the November and December months than in the rest of the year combined, so positioning the Xbox One console and game bundles at a family-friendly $349.99 price point before Sony has any chance to scramble together a legitimate response is, simply put, a stroke of marketing genius.

If the early reports are any indication, the Xbox One now not only has the value share with it's lower price point, it is winning back the hearts and minds of gamers with envelope-pushing, blockbuster AAA next-generation software like Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Unity, Sunset Overdrive, and Halo: Master Chief Collection.

In fact, earlier in the week, one top industry media outlet wrote about how Sony's momentum with the Playstation 4 could be coming to a screeching halt due to the lack of compelling exclusive software on that platform. Add to that the recent network issues of Sony's network and launch difficulties of key games like Driveclub and Assassin's Creed Unity, and you have a recipe for potential disaster.

With nearly 10 million Xbox One's sold in compared to 13.5 million Playstation 4's shipped at last count, the tides seem to be turning faster than anyone could have predicted. Last generation, the tag phrase was the first to 10 million wins, so it's only fitting that in this more advanced generation, the pundits may look back and say, "the first to 20 million" is the One who was victorious. Hope this clarifies things for you.
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I find it funny that you put Assassin's Creed Unity as a plus on X1 and as a negative on PS4...and also mention 4 "next-generation" games when 2 of them are past-gen titles
 
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Final Verdict

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IAmRandom31 said:
Uhh because November and December you sell maybe 3-4m on a real good holiday. The rest of the year is less then that?

It's pathetic it was even said.
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It is true for the US, but probably not the rest of the world.
If you look back on past NPDs, Nov.-Dec. sales have been anywhere from 45%-55% of the sales for the entire year.

X1 has only sold around 1.85M in the US for the entire year, so selling more than the rest of the year is very very possible for them this year.

....In fact, 2011, they sold 1.7M xbox 360s in November alone.
 
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