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Lizard squad unmasked by another hacker group.

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Omnipunctual Godot

Gold Member
No, the difference between those acts is not. The difference between a crime and a felony in response to my statement were. Both are crimes. The distinction is arbitrary.
This was your original statement:

This thread must be full of so many people that behaved perfectly as kids. People that never did something they knew was wrong, and people that never broke a law in their lives.

It must be wonderful to be like that, but I know your secret.

Not a single fucking one of you can claim this

So, whether you intended to do so or not, you have implied that "kids will be kids" mistakes and misdemeanors are somehow comparable to deliberate acts of malice, like blackmailing women for nude pictures under the potential threat of death and calling in false terrorism threats to an airport. The "Let ye who hast not sinned cast the first stone" argument is simply not applicable here, and it would take an insane display of mental gymnastics to say otherwise. The acts committed by these individuals were intentionally harmful and real people were harmed as a result, in no way can this be compared to any "kids will be kids" type of victimless crime.
 

Laconic

Banned
yup, thats what all americans are. A bunch of brutes that have it hard grained into their genetically american code morals? What about every other country with a code of morals, or set of laws based on ours? Will they ultimately end up being as prone to locking everyone up that harms other people? Hopefully if most countries don't already do that.

Either that, or they elect them President, and have them run drone bombing assassinations on innocent people in other countries, whom their financial sector view as potential problems in their continuing bid for global hegemony.

Got a bumper sticker?

Best support the troops, eh?
 
Comparison? No. Of course it doesn't compare. It was a real life example of how a 12 year old does not consider the effects and outcomes of doing something wrong the same way an adult does. I'm not saying it's anywhere near the same, it was posted in relation to the difference in understanding of outcomes, even when they know it was wrong. I thought that was pretty clear. No, we didn't call in bomb threats, and I'm not saying that's the norm. I'm saying it's real easy for kids to do this stuff these days, and so saying it's 'an adult crime' and 'they think like adults' because of the nature of what they did, is crap. I have only brought it down to the level of children make mistakes, because of posts calling for a life sentence, or a death sentence of a child. Not because I think what these people did is ok.




See 'most places'. There are many places where it makes no difference at all.

"its easier to do these things" is just an excuse. The problem is anonymity that exists because of the internet. Its easier for people to think they can get away with these things is more of an accurate statement. The internet tends to bring out the worst in people but thats not an excuse. 20 years ago you could easily call in bomb threats/swat people or perform other heinous crimes the internet merely makes people easier targets thanks to information of the intended victims being easier to obtain. And you know what the kids that did stupid crap beyond normal kid stuff still did it anyways 20 years ago. You have only a handful of kids here doing this stuff. A majority of teenagers still only go as far as talking trash online. So could it possibly be that these handful of teenagers have just taken it to a level beyond "its just childish pranks"? Clearly they are the minority so that reasoning that "kids will be kids" or "its different in this day and age" seems to be off.
 
Yes, I can see there are orders of magnitude, but a child will misbehave, and a child will do things they know are wrong. Life in prison to any child is fucking abhorrent, because they cannot be held responsible for their actions to the same degree as an adult.



I'm glad you used the term felony there. That arbitrary distinction makes it ok. You have broken some law I assure you, however small. It's illegal in the UK to leave a bag unattended. Go 11% over the speed limit etc. People do this stuff every day, and no it's not comparable to what these people did, but that isn't the point. The point is no one is clean, everyone makes mistakes, and locking children up for life because of it is stupid in the extreme.

the point is you argument is pure BS you are telling me everyone as a kid swatted people? blackmaile woman to get their nudes? landed planes with bomb threads? fucked millions of people leaving them without a paid service?

come on man..
 
Are some of the 12 year old people know just bricks or something? I haven't talked to a single person who didn't know they were doing something wrong when they were 12 and understand the consequences of their actions.
 

Joni

Member
They aren't going to jail or be punished.
They are considered as a more valuable resources than most of us tbh.
They will be send over to the FBI/CIA/NSA to integrate them into the 'hidden war' against other nation states.

The more hackers or people that understand cyber-warfare under a state's control, the better.
We will need it since China and RU regularly attack our homeland security system.
I hope all these kids will mature enough during their time with the FBI/CIA/NSA that they will continue to use their skill sets for a good cause in the future.

And beside, the career in the private industry is easily 6 figures for these guys. They just need to behave.

They would if they were real hackers. They aren't. Anyone could do what they did.
 

Handy Fake

Member
This is absolute bullshit, as is pretty much everything else you're saying.

I'm not sure it's illegal, but if you leave it unattended in either an airport or a train-station, there's a good chance that the last you'll see of it is a large retort of smoke from behind a police barrier.
 

BibiMaghoo

Member
This is absolute bullshit, as is pretty much everything else you're saying.

Ok mate. Thanks for your contribution.

This was your original statement:

So, whether you intended to do so or not, you have implied that "kids will be kids" mistakes and misdemeanors are somehow comparable to deliberate acts of malice, like blackmailing women for nude pictures under the potential threat of death and calling in false terrorism threats to an airport. The "Let ye who hast not sinned cast the first stone" argument is simply not applicable here, and it would take an insane display of mental gymnastics to say otherwise. The acts committed by these individuals were intentionally harmful and real people were harmed as a result, in no way can this be compared to any "kids will be kids" type of victimless crime.

Yes, and that response you quoted was to another response, where by they said they had never committed a felon, they did not say they had never broken a law, hence, arbitrary. I have not just implied, but outright stated, that what these people have done is bad, and that they should be punished. I have also said that a child cannot be held to the same standard of responsibility as an adult. I have not compared misdemeanors to anything. I've said people make mistakes, and children, makes a shit load more. They should not have an entire life taken from them for it. If you are actually interested in that part of the debate, take a look at some famous cases of children doing horrific shit, far worse than what these people did, and not spending the rest of their lives in prison, because that's wrong. You are taking points I never made and arguing against them. Don't expect me to then defend said positions. Victimless crime? Really. No one said that.

"its easier to do these things" is just an excuse. The problem is anonymity that exists because of the internet. Its easier for people to think they can get away with these things is more of an accurate statement. The internet tends to bring out the worst in people but thats not an excuse. 20 years ago you could easily call in bomb threats/swat people or perform other heinous crimes the internet merely makes people easier targets thanks to information of the intended victims being easier to obtain. And you know what the kids that did stupid crap beyond normal kid stuff still did it anyways 20 years ago. You have only a handful of kids here doing this stuff. A majority of teenagers still only go as far as talking trash online. So could it possibly be that these handful of teenagers have just taken it to a level beyond "its just childish pranks"? Clearly they are the minority so that reasoning that "kids will be kids" or "its different in this day and age" seems to be off.

No, because I never excused them. I have said consistently that what they did is shitty. I've said it's easier to do, which you concede above yourself. The difference here, and the reason my post existed, is because people are saying that the nature of the crime means they think like adults, which is fundamentally incorrect. This is not normal pranking by any standards, but it is not the same as if we had done this as children, because the steps involved are far, far greater without the internet, such as finding out where people live.

the point is you argument is pure BS you are telling me everyone as a kid swatted people? blackmaile woman to get their nudes? landed planes with bomb threads? fucked millions of people leaving them without a paid service?

come on man..

You seem to have missed the point of my posts, so not sure what to say to you. I never said the things you suggest I have. I've simply defended a childs right to make mistakes, and a childs right not to be judged as an adult, because they are not.
 

Akronis

Member
It's usually left open to be monitored and watched.

But damn those are some young hackers. If it wasn't for that dumb threat with the airplane they possibly could have even been offered jobs... .hell how do you think google and Facebook got a few people on there staff....

Could of had a future somewhere....good luck now.

I didn't realize downloading and using LOIC was a skill to put on a resume.
 

Anion

Member
Man, I could make a TV show called: "hacker's therapy"
All I would do is have opposing hacker's just argue on live television for an hour a week
 

Alo81

Low Poly Gynecologist
WOOOOOW THIS VIDEO GOES SOME WEIRD FUCKIN PLACES WHAAAAT.

Did this dude just say he's a part of Al Queda??? And THEN say they're gonna plan terrorist attacks???? and then starts talking how prostitution being illegal is unfair???????
 

Ventara

Member
lol, that video is hilarious. "Oh, here we go with the mom jokes." I assume the third guy who comes in is with Lizard Squad? Or is he from a third squad?

OMG, this video just keep giving. All that nerd trash talk, shouting at each other to do this or do that, or to answer this. "If a tree falls in a forest, does it make a sound?" "Fagatory, retardance and stupidity."

Oh, here we go with the "terrorist attacks against the government." "I'm not saying I work for Al-Qaeda, but let's just say I got my connects." "We all have a common enemy, and it starts with an F and ends with an I." "The motherfucker makes us pay taxes." "Root me."

Ah, that was a good laugh.
 

wowzors

Member
Man that anti government rant has to be up there for fuckery of the year. Has to be.

Lol that dude is the funniest public speaker I have ever heard. His pauses when he speaks are classic, and i aint saying he al qaeda lolz.

Paying taxes and prostitution, he clearly thought out all this shit.
 

outsida

Member
Lol that dude is the funniest public speaker I have ever heard. His pauses when he speaks are classic, and i aint saying he al qaeda lolz.

Paying taxes and prostitution, he clearly thought out all this shit.
I actually thought he was a text to speech program when he first started talking. And then he commenced to cut a wrestling promo for the ages.
 

Coldsun

Banned
They aren't going to jail or be punished.
They are considered as a more valuable resources than most of us tbh.
They will be send over to the FBI/CIA/NSA to integrate them into the 'hidden war' against other nation states.

The more hackers or people that understand cyber-warfare under a state's control, the better.
We will need it since China and RU regularly attack our homeland security system.
I hope all these kids will mature enough during their time with the FBI/CIA/NSA that they will continue to use their skill sets for a good cause in the future.

And beside, the career in the private industry is easily 6 figures for these guys. They just need to behave.

You might be sick in the head if you think the FBI/CIA/NSA or even the private sector want these kids. They arn't hackers. They're simply using precompiled executables to handle everything for them. They're script kiddies, nothing else.

6figure jobs? Please. Kids in the early 90s were far more impressive wrecking havoc on AOL.
 

nelchaar

Member
Just FYI, they were never taken down, and in fact, are back on twitter (@lizardmafia) and are planning something for Xmas.

Sorry, on phone, can't paste pics or links. Hold on to your connection errors this holiday break!
 

saunderez

Member
Just FYI, they were never taken down, and in fact, are back on twitter (@lizardmafia) and are planning something for Xmas.

Sorry, on phone, can't paste pics or links. Hold on to your connection errors this holiday break!

I don't believe it for a second. If nothing actually happened they would've started attacks again as proof they were big and tough and still out there. None of this "just you wait until Christmas" nonsense.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
I don't believe it for a second. If nothing actually happened they would've started attacks again as proof they were big and tough and still out there. None of this "just you wait until Christmas" nonsense.

Plus servers everywhere will be overloaded anyways due to Christmas so it'll be extremely easy to take credit for downtime.
 
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