SonicXtreme
Member
i don't understand, i read so much about this being a ps4 exclusive, is it just a console exclusive? is it still coming to steam?
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Axiom Verge Review Thread
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Coming from someone who is burnt out on the mass of indie sidescrollers of recent years, this looks great.
Steam version release date should be announced shortly, yes.
SerTapTap
Member
Agreed, I only bring it up myself because there's a lot of Concern over the $20 price tag and I personally feel the length is more than enough...though the important thing is that the quality is more than enough. But it's not lacking in either category so it can't hurt to bring it up a bit as long as it doesn't dominate the conversation.
Like half of the reviews in the OP use Metroidvania in the very quotes used in the OP. Metroidvania is a genre. That is not going to change, ever.
Aaaaand...this is why. This is not a "sidescroller"/platformer. It is a metroidvania which has severe gameplay implications. It's valuable information, succinctly stated. You could scarcely ask for a better genre descriptor. It's only flaw is in having game titles integrated into the genre, of which everyone loves to complain about the "vania".
SlasherJPC
Banned
Played it, reviewed it, but won't go live till tommorrow. Really enjoyed and it takes me back to those days of growing up playing Nintendo. Granted I didn't find it super memorable oddly enough and it fills a bit aimless at times. I can see the older crowd of game players really loving this and how it takes us back to a time before cinematics and story were the mass appeal. I'm curious to know how the younger crowd will feel.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Thos graphics... ugh...
Ugh what?
Drunkensamurai
Member
Not my type of game.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
The game looks bad. Even for one that's mimicking the retro-style. It doesn't even look as good as Super Metroid on the SNES.
ClayKavalier
Banned
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
The game is guaranteed to not drop in price for at least 6 months. I'm really not sure how this game and these reviews don't justify a $20 price tag though.
Sony pub fund game, just like Guacamelee. It is coming to Steam.
This post...ugh....
Review threads are always great for padding my ignore list.
Edit: Just to clarify...I am 100% ok with criticism, but these drive-by shit posts really get to me. Your opinion would have been taken to heart had you said something along the lines of "I would have preferred to see the game rendered with a different art style in mind because A, B, and C."
The game doesn't look bad at all, YOU don't like the graphics. And there was a Metroid game on the NES you know.
you look bad
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It looks pretty great. The way the screen-filling monsters look and animate, or the way bigger things explode, combined with the oldschool tile-based graphics, makes me think this is the kind of visuals you'd get if you'd equip NES with a Gig of RAM, overclock its CPU 100x over, but keeps the graphics hardware the same.
Not with that attitude.
So just say Metroid or Metroidetroid-like, unless it incorporates heavy RPG elements and is also a Castlevania game.
I played through a chunk of the game at PAX and spoke briefly to one of the devs there. It's very much a Metroid inspired game that takes nothing from Castlevania.
Chris Kohler came up to the dev while I was there and started an interview. When Kohler described it as a Metroidvania, the dude said to please not use that term and suggested exploration action platformer.
I almost jumped in to high five him but I am too polite for that.
Saucycarpdog
Member
I didn't even know about this till today. Looks great non the less, eagerly await the PC release.
Nah, take your time. I'm looking forward to it.
Zombie James
Banned
Yeah, I need to get on this.
Oh, then that was the dude.
So with Ori and Axiom the only system without a metroid game is the company behind metroid.
FOR THE FUCKING LOVE OF MOTHER BRAIN MAKE A GODDAMN METROID NINTENDO
Axiom seems good but I prefer 16 bit if they are going retro. I lived through 8 bit and I thought it was ugly then.
FOR THE FUCKING LOVE OF MOTHER BRAIN MAKE A GODDAMN METROID NINTENDO
Axiom seems good but I prefer 16 bit if they are going retro. I lived through 8 bit and I thought it was ugly then.
Ganondorfo
Junior Member
I never heard of this game untill now. Does this game have a retro box art that resembles as a compliment to Super Metroid?
It's supposed to look like an 8-bit game, not a 16-bit one.
Haunted
Member
Metroidvania is a genre name, yes. Just as you say, it succinctly conveys a specific kind of gameplay and formula.
From everything I've seen, Axiom Verge is not in that genre. (It's missing the -vania part that makes up half of Metroidvania)
Again, if Metroid NES would come out today, clueless reviewers and gamers would probably also call it a Metroidvania - which is simply incorrect. Pointing that out might not stop people from using the valuable genre name Metroidvania incorrectly, but at least it's an effort to keep the terminology clear.
Gambit 1138
Banned
The original Metroid is still the GOAT. Let's see if Axiom can top it
SerTapTap
Member
Metroidvania is a genre name, yes. Just as you say, it succinctly conveys a specific kind of gameplay and formula.
From everything I've seen, Axiom Verge is not in that genre. (It's missing the -vania part that makes up half of Metroidvania)
Again, if Metroid NES would come out today, clueless reviewers and gamers would probably also call it a Metroidvania - which is simply incorrect. Pointing that out might not stop people from using the valuable genre name Metroidvania incorrectly, but at least it's an effort to keep the terminology clear.
You're going to have to explain how Metroid or Axiom Verge is not a Metroidvania, unless you're doing the whole "if it doesn't have RPG level mechanics and gear it's not a Metroidvania" thing. Which...frankly, no, that's simply not how the term has ever been consistently used. It's the most unique aspect of the Castlevania Metroidvanias but is hardly common or necessary for what is generally considered a Metroidvania.
Axiom Verge is actually a bit closer to that RPG/gear concept than most actually, though it still doesn't have experience. Experience was probably one of the worst parts of SoTN so I can't say I mind it not being a mainstay of the genre. Adding leveling brings too much focus to combat over exploration and results in a really weird difficulty curve more often than not.
Finale Fireworker
Member
Yeah. I'm with you on this one. People seem to not have a universal understanding of what Metroidvania means.
Metroidvania means open-world action platformer, basically. Which means, yes, Metroid is a Metroidvania.
If people want to make a case to retire the term, that's one thing. But it is what it is.
Haunted
Member
But... that's exactly it.
The Metroid part is the thing with the map and the abilities and the secrets and the backtracking. The vania part is the thing with the RPG mechanics, loot drops, equipment and experience points. Put together (in various forms with various emphasis), these games are... Metroidvanias.
Axiom Verge is a game like Metroid.
Haunted
Member
See, that's where we disagree.
I think there's still the possibility to be more granular in this sub-genre description, and I think we should be able to distinguish succinctly between games that are more like Metroid and games that are more like Castlevania.
Helldivers, then Hotline Miami 2, then Jamestown+, then Bloodborne, and now Axiom Verge and the Geometry Wars 3 free DLC. Been a crazy month for games.
The only problem with this is until I'm at a post-Bloodborne stage in my life, new releases won't get a look in.
Finale Fireworker
Member
What you're saying is not untrue, but that's not how people use the term and that's not how the genre is actually defined. Especially since these two elements put together creates a definition that virtually no game actually fulfills other than Castlevania itself.
However, I am not a fan of the term either, because the idea of using two branded franchises as a genre description sounds ridiculous to me. Call them open-world action platformers if you want to, but that phrase means the same thing to most people as Metroidvania.
Eyemus Lutt
Member
I'm so over these "retro" inspired looking games. Why can't we get this game with updated graphics like Shadow Complex did instead of devs making shitty old school looking games and claiming they were going for the retro look instead of admitting it is so much easier and less time consuming to do that than put some effort in on the graphics.
Omnistalgic
Member
Looking forward to diving into this after I beat Blood Borne once. Great great month March has turned out to be.
Also, I'm not really young (28) but I didn't exactly grow up on Metroid games really. Preferred RPG's mostly and didn't really get into Nintendo until N64 with Zelda OOT. I get there's a lot of people that game on PC, but Metroid titles aren't exactly flooded on consoles, so stuff like this is very welcome for many gamers IMO. Don't get the "it's too much like Metroid" comments. Even for Ori and Guacamelee, like so what? I don't think the console audience has played a ton of Metroid lol, least I haven't.
Also, I'm not really young (28) but I didn't exactly grow up on Metroid games really. Preferred RPG's mostly and didn't really get into Nintendo until N64 with Zelda OOT. I get there's a lot of people that game on PC, but Metroid titles aren't exactly flooded on consoles, so stuff like this is very welcome for many gamers IMO. Don't get the "it's too much like Metroid" comments. Even for Ori and Guacamelee, like so what? I don't think the console audience has played a ton of Metroid lol, least I haven't.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
The wallet weeps.
It's one dude...I doubt any of this was easy...and it took him over 5 years to make.
Haunted
Member
Another NeoGAFshitposts contender.
1. You have a terrible opinion and fuck off about it being easier and less time consuming...seriously fuck off.
2. Go play Ori.
I just cannot condone this mass acceptance of knockoffs and clones. From Monster Hunter to Dark Souls. This trend of acceptance and praise for games that just rip off the ideas of others saddens me.
I think its cancer on the games industry, because people are more interest in seeing the same thing that they saw over there now than they are in seeing new and original concepts. Guess this is the state of gaming in this age.
I think its cancer on the games industry, because people are more interest in seeing the same thing that they saw over there now than they are in seeing new and original concepts. Guess this is the state of gaming in this age.
Is this a joke post because if it isn't just give up playing almost any game out there from the past 15 years or so.