OrbitalBeard
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Axiom Verge Review Thread
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Oh please.
Finale Fireworker
Member
Are you a fan of Star Wars or Raiders of the Lost Ark? Because those are knockoffs and clones too.
They are the cancer of the film industry, indeed.
For those who don't know, Star Wars is a mashup of a samurai film called The Hidden Fortress and Flash Gordon, and Indiana Jones is literally Allan Quartermain.
Stereogatari
Banned
Just watched half of GiantBomb's Quicklook. It looks fantastic; snuck up on me as I hadn't heard of it till now.
Every game ever can't be a breakout game that creates a new genre. Working and improving on existing conventions is completely different from shit like iOS ripoff clone games.
This is a legitimate good game, and especially impressive for one person. The dialogue cutscenes totally remind me of Cave Story as well, another one man exploration action game.
=]
You may want to get out of gaming then, because that's pretty much whats been going on since the 70's.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
One guy vs. Epic Games.
Eyemus Lutt
Member
How is it not easier to make a 2D sprite based game than a 3D game.
I also would play Ori if I had an Xbox One because you can tell in an instant that game looks marvelous and had a lot of effort put into it.
My point is these types of games would be better with more effort put into the graphics. Look at Rayman, Helldivers or Shadow Complex compared to this game, Bit Trip runner or Hotline Miami.
im so over these opinions and the people who feel the need to share them, even though they don't know what they are talking about.
the developer (you know, that one guy making the game) specifically said it was easier to make a 2d game because he was doing it all himself. and I do believe it looks better for it, once you see the rest of the mechanics of the game.
i'm not convinced this is real, it simply can't be
I'm all for differing opinions, but why come in here and dismiss a game you haven't played and have no interest in? To create conflict? If you aren't interested, I understand, we all have different tastes and we can move on from there...but I don't know, seems weird to me to actively spend time denouncing something in a thread specifically about that thing.
Haunted
Member
That is incredibly insulting towards the work of the developer of this game.
I'm fucking out of here before I get banned, this sort of ignorant, clueless shitposting is what really gets to me.
I'm curious, can you clarify what you mean by "from Monster Hunter to Dark Souls"? I feel this can be read several different ways. Are you claiming that Dark Souls is a clone of Monster Hunter? Or that Monster Hunter and Dark Souls are progenitors of originality and they're now being copied? Or that Monster Hunter and Dark Souls themselves are clones of something else?
Ori and the Blind Forest is also available on PC.
Just a heads up, as that fact isn't always apparent in the marketing materials.
Yet Hotline Miami is way better than Rayman, Helldivers or Shadow Complex as a game. It's almost as if graphics don't make a game better and sometimes having a certain aesthetic is a conscious stylistic choice.
Eyemus Lutt
Member
These types of games generally stiill cost me around the same price to play.
I'm sorry that I don't have nostalgia clouding my feelings on a whole set of games. I enjoyed these types of games as a kid but I grew up and want new experiences and better graphics, not being reminded how shitty they would look if I went back to them.
It's also a lot of the time just so the devs could say they were going for the "retro" look when they didn't want to put the effort in or have the talent.
John Kowalski
Banned
The aesthetic has completely won me over. It does look like an utterly alien place, almost Giger 'esque. Will definitely buy once it comes to PC.
Dude, please relax
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Everyone's welcome to have their own taste in graphics, but please don't mistakenly think that more money & more staff = more effort. I know plenty of tiny indie teams that work harder than anybody.
See, it's fine to have a differing opinion.
But it's presumptuous and embarrassing to assume that people that don't share yours are somehow clouded by nostalgia.
the developer (you know, that one guy making the game) specifically said it was easier to make a 2d game because he was doing it all himself. and I do believe it looks better for it, once you see the rest of the mechanics of the game.
educate yourself before you opinionate yourself
Holy fuck....holy fuck.
It takes effort and talent to make retro looking games, though, Axiom Verge included. I think that's where the problem with what you're saying is coming from.
This, too.
It's not a lack of effort, it's a design choice. And also driven by cost and team size.
Plus, you know, the Bit Trip series and Hotline Miami are phenomenal games, with a far better understanding of game mechanics that the vast majority of AAA games with teams or artists all working towards photorealism. Both games you mentioned were made by tiny teams, unlike Rayman and Shadow Complex. No idea about the team that made Helldivers, but its graphics are nothing special. Axiom Verge is made by one guy, who did everything. Art, code, music, the lot.
Seriously? Those are a couple of pretty big assumptions there.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Are you a real person? If so, I'm also curious as to what you mean by MH and DS.
It's got nothing to do with nostaligia. Believe it or not, a lot of people find pixel art like the style found in Axiom Verge to be very nice. Not everything has to march forward in your rather narrow definition of technological progress.
Well, evertime I look up now, I'm seeing glorified clones.
For Monster Hunter, you had Lord of Arcana, God Eater, Soul Sacrifice, then there was this PS4 MH clone I saw a trailer of not to long ago that I can't directly remember the name of at the moment(i'll have to look it). Found it. Toukiden Kiwami
For Dark Souls you have Lord of Fallen, Bloodborne, Deep Down.
For GTA there was Sleeping Dogs, Watchdogs.
Then you had Citizens of Earth as a copy of Mother 2/Earthbound, and now this as a copy of Metroid. And people are just thrilled with all of this.
To me, it is simply one thing to borrow a little bit from some other medium or repurpose a few ideas here in there. I don't have a problem with that. But these games are literally banking off of the similarities to the titles they are copying. They are pretty much "insert companies" version of some others companies major success. The part that bothers me the most is that they don't really change much outside of cosmetics, names, and a few technical nuances. They are really just selling you someone else's creation under their own brand name in my my eyes.
Well, that's my opinion on it.
Also, I don't just consider anything that uses ideas from something else a clone like most are saying. That's extreme. I don't consider Call of Duty a clone of Medal of Honor, or M.A.G. a clone of Battlefield. There are a large enough amount of difference and original ideas between them.
But...it's one guy...who spent years of his life making this.
Not liking this style aesthetically is totally valid if that's how you feel, but insinuating laziness or a lack of talent is way off the mark.
Stereogatari
Banned
Read my mind.
Primethius
Banned
Yea... What a stupid fucking thing to say. Jesus.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Hahahahha. Bloodborne is totally a rip-off of Dark Souls. Those bastards! The cancer of gaming!
Stereogatari
Banned
They even shoe-horned in a namesake director to give themselves legitimacy! The pagrian rats!
Eyemus Lutt
Member
It's fantastic that the dev made the game by himself but at the end of the day I'm paying about the same price for these smaller games, so "effort" is not the deciding factor if I'm purchasing a game or not.
You can also think it looks better for it and that's your opinion, but I disagree and still maintain that if this game had the graphics of a Shadow Complex it would be way better.
You don't have to agree with me, but I have just as much right to voice the things I'm disappointed with in this game as you do in praising the great parts of it.
The worst one of all is an actual Member.
Except that is your entire fucking argument.
EatinOlives
Member
So indulge us, then. Go open up MS paint right now and make a mock-up of a pixel-art game since they require neither time nor talent. Since, apparently, everyone is just born with the innate grasp on color theory and visual information using just a few pixels.
We'll wait here.
Primethius
Banned
Comparing the Souls games to Deep Down...
What? I guess yea, both feature dudes in armor.
So stupid.
What? I guess yea, both feature dudes in armor.
So stupid.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
And Monster Hunter was in itself a clone of Phantasy Star Online.
Bloodborne is made by the Dark Souls director. It's essentially a Dark Souls spin-off.
So now every open world game is a GTA clone?
Citizens of Earth isn't really very much like Earthbound other than a few surface similarities. Combat system is much more complex, huge cast of playable characters, it's not very funny, etc.
Axiom Verge getting such rave reviews seems to indicate that it's not just banking on similarities to Metroid, but that it's doing its own thing and doing a great job of it.
EDIT: I'm not a huge fan of the 8-bit look (if you're going retro, I much prefer 16-bit style), but Shadow Complex, though technically solid, was so generic looking. We really don't need any more games that look like it.
Audioboxer
Member
Can't we just enjoy good games regardless of what inspires them?! ಠ_ಠ
EatinOlives
Member
Dude, just stop. It's clear you've never even played these games if you claim that "Bloodborne" is a clone of "Dark Souls" (here's a hint: it's the same team, same developer, same director. It's a spiritual sequel to their own game. By definition it can't be a "clone").
According to some people here, no. Every game has to be different. We MUST demand developers to come up with completely new gameplay architectures out of their ass, because apparently we have arbitrarily decided the concept of iterative design is now "a cancer".
No! We have to endlessly compare every game to every other game.
Then why bring alleged laziness into it at all.
So are something else that's for sure.
Joke is on you because the lazy devs FROM totally copied Demon's Souls which came out before Dark Souls, follow the money man.
That1BlackGuy
Member
Preach.
EatinOlives
Member
There's an inexplicable seething hatred for retro-styled indepedently developed games. It's like the existence of something like Axiom Verge in their minds is actively canceling out or preventing the release of games they enjoy.
EDIT: At the risk of sounding like an armchair mod, I think since people can't control themselves in Review Threads they're going to be banned from GAF. If anticipated games review poorly (see: The Order), we have an absolute shitstorm that mods are already sick of. If games review well, we see people taking it upon themselves to scrape the bottom of the Twitter barrel to ridicule the few dissenting opinions there are (see: Bloodborne). If games review well and are of a certain niche genre, you have a carnival of stupid coming in to shit on games because they exist and how DARE these games not be what I like?!?! (see this thread) I can't remember the last time a Review Thread hasn't devolved into idiocy.
The problem isn't your opinion about preferring prefer 'modern' graphics and thinking it would make a better game. The problem is that you insinuate that people who like or prefer this style of graphics are 'clouded by nostalgia' and that there is somehow lack of effort in pixel art. You can have opinions, but maybe avoid trashing others and stating outright falsities.