Which is made by the Demon's Souls director which is a spiritual successor to King's Field which was inspired by Ultima Underworld and Wizardry.
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Axiom Verge Review Thread
- Thread starter Jimmyfenix
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Haven't you heard, we are no longer allowed to enjoy Shadow Complex after this game is released. They are dead to us now.
But wouldn't that just make it a clone of Shadow Complex?
Audioboxer
Member
My brothers!
Or gals, if any of you are female.On topic this is day 1 for me, looks fun.
Is this the new "I don't know if you know about...but I'm an expert?"
Eyemus Lutt
Member
No it's not. My argument is simply the game looks old aka "retro" and I just think it would be better if it had what I would consider good graphics.
I'll get right on that as soon as you film and direct a movie and then release a studio album before you can critique any film or songs in history.
It's not my job to be able make games before I can say whether it's good or not, just like watching a movie and saying the pacing of it sucks but that doesn't mean I'm suddenly a director now.
EmCeeGramr
Member
I remember when GTA cloning started with Sleeping Dogs and Watch_Dogs, and not with, like, Mafia, or True Crime (aka the actual shameless GTA clone that Sleeping Dogs is descended from), or The Getaway, or The Godfather, or Scarface, or The Godfather. No, it all started right about now.
And of course GTAIII is an original game itself. It wasn't inspired by Driver, which wasn't inspired by GTA1, or Body Harvest, or games like Bethesda's Terminator open world games.
And of course GTAIII is an original game itself. It wasn't inspired by Driver, which wasn't inspired by GTA1, or Body Harvest, or games like Bethesda's Terminator open world games.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Shadow Complex graphics + Michael Bay HD explosions = a game worthy of Eyemus Lutt's praise. Anything else is just the result of lazy devs.
Glitchesarecool
Member
Twiddling my thumbs on this until June unfortunately. No PS4 to experience it on.
I can't wait to get my hands on it. It looks unique while scratching the Metroidvania itch.
I can't wait to get my hands on it. It looks unique while scratching the Metroidvania itch.
You brought up time and effort, though. Not liking something is fine. Saying someone who makes something like this is lazy and lacks talent isn't.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Of course they are. Indy games come in all sorts of graphical styles. This game is basically a tribute to 2D Metroid, so of course it is going for a retro look.
I'm not saying the game isn't good or that you shouldn't be able to enjoy it. I just stated my honest opinion on this matter. I'm not here to fight with people over what they like or don't like.
No. Just my personal opinion.
Why did anyone ever praise the Gears of War games, they were clearly just clones of Kill.Switch
Which was a clone of Winback
Axiom Verge does indeed look awesome to me but I do find it interesting that this game is going for $19.99 when the games like Shovel Knight and Hotline Miami 2 are going for $14.99 during the Spring Fever thing on PSN. I wonder what it was about this game that made them bump the price up to $5. Obviously, you could argue that you'll get plenty of entertainment for $19.99 but I think the same could be argued for those other two games as well.
Maybe this isn't the place to be talking about the price, though haha.
Regardless, I'm excited for the game since it looks like a lot of fun.
Maybe this isn't the place to be talking about the price, though haha.
Regardless, I'm excited for the game since it looks like a lot of fun.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
Banned
I totally want to play Axiom Verge, but, based on a review I read, this game employs the use of graphics, which totally copies what Mike Tyson's punch out did back in the 80s. I also heard that it makes heavy use of sound not unlike Street Fighter 2, and player input via the standard PS4 controller just like NBA2K15. It was also created by humans who are copies of their stupid parents.
Shit, does this game do anything original?
Seriously, though, I'm psyched. This will be the first thing I get once I beat Bloodborne.
Shit, does this game do anything original?
Seriously, though, I'm psyched. This will be the first thing I get once I beat Bloodborne.
Finale Fireworker
Member
The PS4 is just a clone of the PlayStation 3 and I for one find this abhorrent and unacceptable. I am so pissed off all the time that it's affecting my performance as a lover.
EatinOlives
Member
What you're saying is not a "critique". You saying "doing this doesn't require any time OR talent" essentially means anybody can do it. That's completely different from actual constructive criticism, which critiques a work without actually calling it "talentless".
Saying "this story didn't flow very well" doesn't imply I can write one better. Saying "this art requires no talent" certainly implies that. You can't just throw out nonsensical excuses to trash the game then call them "critiques".
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Your opinion is based on an extremely haphazard survey of the available evidence. You are falling prey to confirmation bias, big time. If you did a thorough accounting of which games are "original" and which are "clones" you wouldn't be able to draw the conclusions you are arguing about.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Every one of Infinity Ward's founding members was a team member on Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. How are those two more different than Bloodborne and Dark Souls!?
The thing is your opinion is that no one should be playing ANY game basically.
Not sure what most indie titles are priced at but this seems to be top end. But yeah, I'm having second thoughts about what I said earlier now that I'm watching the giant bomb video. I reckon £15/$20 is okay.
Giantbomb aren't great handling spoilers all the time but I want to keep watching... I'll probably forget it all by the time it's out on vita.
$17.99 I believe.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Will be $17.99.
Which is basically a clone of $19.99, but lesser.
Eyemus Lutt
Member
There are certain devs that rely heavily on the "retro" look when in reality they are not talented enough to be able to do 3D game engines. I wasn't suggesting that was the case in this specific game or Fez for example and, but just in the general 2D is way easier than 3D it's the whole reason 1 person can make a "retro" game but there are cases like Dust an elysian tale where it was also 1 guy but he made the graphics and animations gorgeous.
I don't recall making single comment on what people should or shouldn't play nor did I intend what I say to mean so. I just don't like how there is so little interest in new and original ideas these days. That was the point I was making.
For me, its the way they were presented and the degree of differences. Though, I guess they aren't that different when you state it like that.
Audioboxer
Member
I just think your views would be better suited aimed at a flappy bird rip off or any one of the examples the mobile gaming industry churns out without a conscious. Some even using actual assests from other games. Those are dirty, and in some cases stolen work.
This dev and his game that he worked on doesn't deserve this kind of heat if you ask me.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
You're backpedaling. You literally posted the words
Which is a moan and cry about not only the lack of original ideas, but that anybody could praise or accept the games. You're getting a lot of shit because you posted a shitty post crying about anyone who likes a game you think is a clone.
this only goes to show how shallow you are. you don't understand
how visual 'glitches' in the environment have a mechanical function that only makes sense in a 2d game with relatively simple colors, in contrast to these glitches.
someone ban this guy or me so I don't reply to him.
"I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't play, but you are all supporting a cancer on the games industry".
Yeah, sure. You are not saying what people should or shouldn't play. But the way it's phrased...
There is nothing wrong with having a differing opinion! But when it's constructed in a way that makes it seem like people that have a different one are quite literally supporting a deadly disease in the industry, it's very hard to keep the debate honest and based on the more meaty parts of your argument, no?
You don't compare something to cancer and then say "but I totally respect if you guys like cancer, it's just not my thing!"
Glitchesarecool
Member
jeremy runs metroidvania.com
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Why do you keep on harping on about talent? People make the games they want to. Axiom Verge is getting damn good reviews; so good that I'm starting to think this developer could have grabbed Unity and made basically anything in 3D he wanted to. He decided to make a damn good 2D Metroidvania game. I'm glad he did because it's been a while since we've had a real classic in the genre.
Now if you stopped conflating talent with your personal taste in art design then you might find less resistance in this thread. Claiming that any developer is less talented is pretty damn insulting considering how hard it is to make a game in the first place. Criticize the game, don't make it personal.
Finale Fireworker
Member
And worst of all, this lazy developer is charging $20 for his game. This is non-sense. Will wait for price cut and, also, die alone.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
As friends with both the Dust developer and the Axiom Verge developer, I can confirm that both individuals are very talented developers who worked like crazy to make their game. They also had very different goals - Dean (Dust) was inspired by classic Disney & Don Bluth films while Tom (Axiom) was inspired by Metroid.
Making a good looking 2D game is a very different skillset than making a good 3D looking game. Saying one requires more talent than the other is ridiculous. For example, I'm making a 2D RPG at the moment & I daresay that the vast majority of 3D artists would be absolutely worthless to us because they don't have the experience or talent to make quality pixel art. You can't just take a high-res picture and blurry it up to make low-res pixel art if you want something that looks good.
Emulating an older era of games and making it actually look good requires a lot of skill. For every Shovel Knight or Axiom Verge, you get hundreds of programmer art indie games that look horrible.
Also keep in mind that many of these throwback indie games also have effects that are far more complex than anything that you could actually do on the actual hardware they're emulating.
Finale Fireworker
Member
"2015".
I'm trying to find out if it would be realistic to expect it before or after the PC version in June. But I don't want to bother the director because he's probably working so hard as it is.
You are taking my words out of context. That is not how I meant that. I said its cancer on the game industry as in its the same thing, over and over. Like its just growing, and I believe it is having a detrimental effect overall.
From what little information there is out there about the Vita release, it seems to me that it would be realistic to expect it after the PC release. I get the impression that the PC release is the priority right now.
Maybe you need to rewrite your posts then because that's exactly how it is read.
Also what missing context? You did a standalone post that said this is the cancer of the industry and people that accept it sadden you.
Finale Fireworker
Member
That's my fear as well. The PC release is out in June, meaning that one has a deadline. The Vita version, as popular as it seems in this thread, is the one that will already be paid for via cross-buy and the smaller market otherwise.
I'm afraid me and the other Vita holdouts will be waiting for a long time.
Eyemus Lutt
Member
You maybe right in that talent is not the word I should have used in this case, but there are certain games were a lack of talent is made up with "retro" graphics.
I just think that even 1 person can make what I would consider a good looking game like Dean Dodrill did with Dust and not have to rely on a "retro" art style.