wesleyshark
Banned
Xbox One: Wesley S Shark
We have a great clan that plays all the time. Since I can't earn any more loot due to lack of space I'm playing some neglected games atm haha.
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Destiny House of Wolves Reveal Thread
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Xbox One: Wesley S Shark
We have a great clan that plays all the time. Since I can't earn any more loot due to lack of space I'm playing some neglected games atm haha.
RSB
Banned
Maybe if Destiny wasn't designed around grinding the same 12 missions till the end of time, and had a real campaign (with an actual story) with good encounter design (something Bungie used to excel at) people wouldn't complain so much.
geordiemp
Member
Its not, that's rubbish.
22 missions,
9 strikes
2 raids
14 multiplayer maps.
4 communal 'areas' to muck around in.
And HOW drops in a few days adding POE, 4 multiplayer maps etc etc
So what game do you recommend that offers more coop content ?
I played Halo 2, 3, ODST, 4 and all I can remember is Cortina babbling nonsense, and every mission go to that spot and kill things or get to that location and kill everything. I cannot recall anything interesting in the story......and if you say Gears then that is really funny
Destiny is not much better, but the point is coop heavy games with heavy character creation don't have deep personal stories, or not one I have played. I will go further, most games don't have good stories, Nintendo don't bother much...there are a few like TLOU but that does not lend itself to large group play.
RSB
Banned
Well, I stopped playing 6 months ago, so I don't recall the exact number of story missions in the game. But yeah, during those first two months it felt like I was always replaying the same 6 story missions + the 6 strikes. And yeah, you obviously counted the DLC missions too, because I know the base game definetly didn't have 2 raids or 9 strikes.
The amount of content is not a problem for me, BTW. It's the quality of the content that's the problem, especially when you take into account the number of times you have to go through it because the game has been designed around grinding the same content over and over. The competitive multiplayer being garbage doesn't help improve the overall impression of game either. Seriously, it is so bad it makes the MP in Halo Reach seem great in comparison.
The Halo games (at least those developed by Bungie) have WAY better encounter design than anything in Destiny. I still can't believe the same developer that gave us levels like Silent Cartographer, Delta Halo, Tsavo Highway, The Ark, The Covenant, etc, went on to make Destiny (aka: Dinklage Defender Simulator 2014) The encounter design in Destiny is mediocre at best, and awful at worst. The bullet sponge enemies and the pathetic vehicle sandbox (not even one vehicle for more than one player, LOL) do not help, that's for sure. Only the VoG could be considered a great level, and it isn't so much for the encounters themselves, but for the puzzles designed around them. And about the story, well, at least the Halo games had one.
Darn I have PS4. Curse the console wars. We need one console under one banner damn it.
Compsiox
Banned
Alright! Sounds good thanks!
Subtervotion
Member
Let me try to explain.
How many times in the campaign do you deploy your ghost just to fight a few waves of enemies till he opens the door? How many of the bosses are just the same thing with a different model? This is the real problem. Halo had a lot of varied content over its 10 hour campaign. Vehicles sections, gunplay variations like starting with the sniper in Truth and Reconciliation, stealth sections, etc.
Destiny just feels like the same level over and over again. and when Bungie did try to do something unique, their execution was terrible. Like the Archon strike with the pikes, they are useless. Better to bypass them and just snipe the enimies in that section. And the Mars strike with the tank. Better to just snipe him. And PvP modes are just all tdm variants.
So it's not really that Destiny doesn't have the hours of content, but more that Destiny has very little variation in its content.
Edit: Exactly what RSB is saying.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The story mission and encounter design in Destiny seems to be a victim of the standbox planetary areas. You basically land in the same place you've been many times before, and spend a lot of mission time crossing the same terrain. The Darkness-gated set pieces for story missions aren't unique enough and can't use levels constructed just for the story at hand, in a lot of cases.
I think it says a lot that among people I know who played the core story, the one thing most of them remember and still talk about is the mission where you pick up the evil sword and begin laying in to waves of enemies. The story missions in Destiny needed way more set pieces of that nature to surprise and twist the mechanics around.
Plus Bungie is really good at vehicle missions, so Destiny feels as if they were operating with one hand tied behind the back. All their experience at varied vehicular gameplay could not be fully brought in. (Due to the lack of heavy and flying vehicles.)
I think it says a lot that among people I know who played the core story, the one thing most of them remember and still talk about is the mission where you pick up the evil sword and begin laying in to waves of enemies. The story missions in Destiny needed way more set pieces of that nature to surprise and twist the mechanics around.
Plus Bungie is really good at vehicle missions, so Destiny feels as if they were operating with one hand tied behind the back. All their experience at varied vehicular gameplay could not be fully brought in. (Due to the lack of heavy and flying vehicles.)
Right off the top of my head I'd blurt out Diablo 3 Ultimate Edition with a quickness. After that Bloodborne. I can probably keep going if you want me too.
I wouldn't call Destiny's Competitive MP 'garbage' but I would go on the line and say I've found it vastly inferior to dedicated multiplayer FPS like Battelfield 4 & Halo. There's just no comparison. But if I were challenged to give at least one example I'd point to lack of map voting and the seriously gimped amount of modes. The last straw for me was ToO (in HoW) which only adds yet another deathmatch variant. I just cant take it anymore. They could at least add more Deathmatch variants such as a SWAT mode like we had in Halo
Twilight Gap
Member
PvP is definitely not "garbage" but it definitely needs significant changes.
Halo was literally the only shooter I cared about until Destiny released and there's a reason i've left it behind. Bungie took those games downhill with each iteration. Maps got flatter, weapons got dumber and they piled in mechanics that simply didn't compliment the gameplay. On top of this, they started throwing away the things that made the first one as balanced as it was like utility weapons, map control and power ups. My biggest problem with Halo right now is the fact that it's so focused on spawn killing and team shooting across the map. Map design has stagnated because competitive Halo players don't want to play anything else; nothing else plays well when you have weapons that take ages to kill and abilities that let you run away from fights. It isn't fun to play solo and it isn't fun to play with a team because nobody really cares anymore. The meta is exhausted and it's boring.
On the other hand, I can boot up Destiny, whip out The Last Word and average 40 kills. Running around shooting things in this game is incredibly satisfying [when it isn't lagging]. I cant really say the same of Halo with projectile weapons and bloom. Obviously the skill ceiling in this game is low and I enjoy being better at it. But Destiny ironically has some of the key elements that Halo has been lacking - height variation and individual skill. The only thing I miss from Halo in that regard is being able to jump and shoot, but after 2 games with jetpack, I've had enough of people shooting and flying.
That's probably where I'll say it stops for Destiny though. I detest the majority of the maps in the game and especially am not fond of all the cheap OHK abilities. I appreciate the fact that you can feel like a superhero during the match - it's part of the game's charm - but every month the balance sways from one OP combo to the next and the latest one has effectively ruined the meta game. It's like Halo 4 where everyone had thruster, light rifles and bolt shots.
Elaborating on that, playing Destiny competitively is a joke. I like playing against evenly skilled teams, but between the bad maps, nooby weapons and the lack of tools to facilitate that competitive edge, you end up with a very small niche of the fanbase. We basically know all the good players because we have to match each other to find competition. And even then, many of those "good players" are so reliant on cheap tactics like blink and shotgun.
This ties into the biggest issue with Destiny's PvP. It isn't the maps, nor the balance or the skill ceiling. It's the fact that it's tremendously barebones. For all the faults with the latter Halo games, their feature set was ever expanding, with new gametypes, vehicles and even level editing. Destiny doesn't have any of that. There's no map voting, no ranking and no true objective gametypes. Hell, it doesn't even have private matches for us to play our friends without the OP weapons. Their reasoning against objective game modes ("we don't want to put too much pressure on one player") also doesn't make any sense.
Bungie held back on everything from the lobbies to the gametypes. This is something they pioneered and at one point nearly perfected, so it's especially puzzling how they failed to deliver. Halo's vehicle combat is a staple of the franchise and Bungie also messed that up. It's almost as if they tried so hard to not be Halo that they forgot all the good stuff they did in those games.
Despite the overemphasis on PvP since the game launched, it seems like this entire half of the game was an afterthought. Or rather, Bungie wanted to make it a significant chunk of the end-game but at the same time didn't know what to do with it. Perhaps that's why we still have weapons and even classes that are completely useless in PvE but amazing in PvP, and vice versa.
Trials of Osiris is a decent step towards making the competitive multiplayer portion of the game more interesting. However, considering the current meta game and the fact that its debut will take place on arguably one of the worst maps in the game, I think it's going to be met with significant backlash. We saw it with the first Iron Banner and at this point it's expected for every new bit of content that releases in Destiny. I just hope that Trials at the very least is a catalyst for significant improvements to the Crucible. I'm not looking for Halo out of Destiny, but I'd like to see Destiny's multiplayer find a foothold and become a smarter game for it.
Halo was literally the only shooter I cared about until Destiny released and there's a reason i've left it behind. Bungie took those games downhill with each iteration. Maps got flatter, weapons got dumber and they piled in mechanics that simply didn't compliment the gameplay. On top of this, they started throwing away the things that made the first one as balanced as it was like utility weapons, map control and power ups. My biggest problem with Halo right now is the fact that it's so focused on spawn killing and team shooting across the map. Map design has stagnated because competitive Halo players don't want to play anything else; nothing else plays well when you have weapons that take ages to kill and abilities that let you run away from fights. It isn't fun to play solo and it isn't fun to play with a team because nobody really cares anymore. The meta is exhausted and it's boring.
On the other hand, I can boot up Destiny, whip out The Last Word and average 40 kills. Running around shooting things in this game is incredibly satisfying [when it isn't lagging]. I cant really say the same of Halo with projectile weapons and bloom. Obviously the skill ceiling in this game is low and I enjoy being better at it. But Destiny ironically has some of the key elements that Halo has been lacking - height variation and individual skill. The only thing I miss from Halo in that regard is being able to jump and shoot, but after 2 games with jetpack, I've had enough of people shooting and flying.
That's probably where I'll say it stops for Destiny though. I detest the majority of the maps in the game and especially am not fond of all the cheap OHK abilities. I appreciate the fact that you can feel like a superhero during the match - it's part of the game's charm - but every month the balance sways from one OP combo to the next and the latest one has effectively ruined the meta game. It's like Halo 4 where everyone had thruster, light rifles and bolt shots.
Elaborating on that, playing Destiny competitively is a joke. I like playing against evenly skilled teams, but between the bad maps, nooby weapons and the lack of tools to facilitate that competitive edge, you end up with a very small niche of the fanbase. We basically know all the good players because we have to match each other to find competition. And even then, many of those "good players" are so reliant on cheap tactics like blink and shotgun.
This ties into the biggest issue with Destiny's PvP. It isn't the maps, nor the balance or the skill ceiling. It's the fact that it's tremendously barebones. For all the faults with the latter Halo games, their feature set was ever expanding, with new gametypes, vehicles and even level editing. Destiny doesn't have any of that. There's no map voting, no ranking and no true objective gametypes. Hell, it doesn't even have private matches for us to play our friends without the OP weapons. Their reasoning against objective game modes ("we don't want to put too much pressure on one player") also doesn't make any sense.
Bungie held back on everything from the lobbies to the gametypes. This is something they pioneered and at one point nearly perfected, so it's especially puzzling how they failed to deliver. Halo's vehicle combat is a staple of the franchise and Bungie also messed that up. It's almost as if they tried so hard to not be Halo that they forgot all the good stuff they did in those games.
Despite the overemphasis on PvP since the game launched, it seems like this entire half of the game was an afterthought. Or rather, Bungie wanted to make it a significant chunk of the end-game but at the same time didn't know what to do with it. Perhaps that's why we still have weapons and even classes that are completely useless in PvE but amazing in PvP, and vice versa.
Trials of Osiris is a decent step towards making the competitive multiplayer portion of the game more interesting. However, considering the current meta game and the fact that its debut will take place on arguably one of the worst maps in the game, I think it's going to be met with significant backlash. We saw it with the first Iron Banner and at this point it's expected for every new bit of content that releases in Destiny. I just hope that Trials at the very least is a catalyst for significant improvements to the Crucible. I'm not looking for Halo out of Destiny, but I'd like to see Destiny's multiplayer find a foothold and become a smarter game for it.
A rundown of all the new items in HoW - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nLaKSVQzC4
Obliterator
Member
This post basically just convinced me I'm gonna download HoW and jump back into Destiny.
Should be fun
RSB
Banned
That shit drives me crazy. Why do you give me all these cool movement options (double jump, slide, hover, etc) and then force me to stand still on the ground to hit anything? Why Bungie, why do you sabotage your own game with that shit? The gameplay would feel SO much better without all those dumb movement and accuracy penalties for everything...
Please Bungie, kill that random vector stupidity for Destiny 2.
I know, but it's just one specific ability, so it doesn't really address the problem. And I only play as a hunter. (I'd actually like to try the other classes, like I did during the beta, but the game is quite a timesink already, unfortunately, so I can't really afford to)
Even though I have the DLC coming to me since I already paid for it, I don't think I have it in me to jump back in without some way to participate in the raids. I've probably put 10-15 hours into looking for groups, posting on forums, spamming friends, waiting in lobbies to get into any raid, and I just can't do it. Not having raid match making is bullshit, and it leaves players that don't have a network of friends playing out in the cold.
GlamFM
Banned
HoW engrams. Come back tomorrow.
Diablohead
Member
they will work on Tuesday because they use the New dlc item drop list.
Thanks for response guys
I would hate raid matchmaking for the sole reason of having someone just sit there and not do anything and not have a way to kick them out
I use the lfg website (destiny lfg.net) I find a match in at least 10-30 minutes on average.
I would hate raid matchmaking for the sole reason of having someone just sit there and not do anything and not have a way to kick them out
420bits
Member
I farmed quite a lot this week, filled up my chars with engrams and the bankspace. I only got 2 epics and 1 key so I think its pretty safe to say that only a selected few got more than a handfull keys. So no need to feel like you're behind the curve, most players are.
SolidChamp
Banned
Are they locking the engrams behind the DLC paywall??
No, Just the items haven't changed over to HoW, so the engrams contain the items that are for House of Wolves.
But then people wouldn't be playing this game 7-8 months later.
Me and 5 other people from GAF gridded the same 2 public encounters for hours, multiple times this weekend. A different 6 people everytime, had a blast talking to everyone, talking about what could be fixed in the future, making new friends and just having a good time, all while preparing for House of Wolves. The people who shit on this game need to realize a large # of people love this game, on both systems.
Damn! That's nuts, may your cryptarch bless you with many of legendary packages in your mailbox
Mine is just as full, but with only 1 key unfortunately ={
I have no keys but at least 4 or 5 purple Engrams
Today (after work) will be the last day for me to grind that out
I have 2 ={ lol I'll be grinding it out all day before I write an essay.
The Real Napsta
Member
Lack of space? Didn't they recently add more vault space?
res1nbawlz
Member
For us non-casuals. The vault space upgrade was still not enough!
shanafan
Member
Excited that Crucible got a nice update. Looking forward to playing more of time, with better rewards. Crucible is hard for me to put down sometimes, and this will just make that worst!
Hawkmoon dropped in a Crucible match last week that I was in, and it made me stay for a few more matches to see if would happen again, lol.
I got a Passage Coing doing the daily Crucible match. I believe it's one of the rewards for completion.
Hawkmoon dropped in a Crucible match last week that I was in, and it made me stay for a few more matches to see if would happen again, lol.
I got a Passage Coing doing the daily Crucible match. I believe it's one of the rewards for completion.
Mixolydian
Member
Same, but I couldn't even find a single chest.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
I wonder if Bungie expected us to have so much loot ready for tomorrow?
Everything is full including post master (vanguard packages everywhere)
Rahool going to break servers lol
Everything is full including post master (vanguard packages everywhere)
Rahool going to break servers lol
res1nbawlz
Member
I think Master Rahool is taking a break! I think you should go to the Reef. His brother may hook you up!
shanafan
Member
I already own it, but does this work for you?
https://store.xbox.com/en-US/Xbox-O...f-Wolves/2af987e3-ba25-4d1b-82cb-1fbe02e2ea07
Diablohead
Member
They really need to do something about the way chests can be reused if you travel away and back again, all I see on twitch are people abusing it lol
JetBlackPanda
Member
Onikaan
Member
It says bundle only :-(