autoduelist
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Please don't break the internet pointing out fallacies like this. The vast majority of console wars are based on debunking what other people didn't actually say.
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Sony: "Our 1st party lineup a little sparse this year"; emphasis on 3rd party support
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Please don't break the internet pointing out fallacies like this. The vast majority of console wars are based on debunking what other people didn't actually say.
(writing from my cellphone...)
Regarding the types of "true/full" exclusives, to make it simple, there are three types to which we categorize generally the exclusives...
The first-party type are projects usually owned by the publisher/platform holder and developed in-house by one of its own studios.
ex: God of War, Halo, The Legend of Zelda, etc.
The second-part type is a bit more complex as it could go in two different cases. The first, and the most common, is regarding how the platform holder will use a partner studio (i.e. Insomniac Games) to work on a new IP (Resistance for exemple) that will be fully owned by said publisher/platform holder. In the other case, you will have the platform holder work with a partner studio on an already established franchise/IP (Hyrule Warriors for exemple), which owned by said publisher. Also, it happens that the platform holder will treat those type of projects as first-party titles (marketing-wise) at major conventions or conferences.
For instance, before SCE acquired Media Molecule, LittleBigplanet could be considered a 2nd party title due to the type of relationship they (SCE+MM) had back then. Since the acquisition of MM in 2010, it is safe to say that LBP is a first-party title.
The third-party type used to be a thing back in the PS2/Xbox era but today it has become more of a rare thing to find these types of games. It is usually regarding a particular type of relationship between the platform holder and a 3rd party publisher (SEGA, Capcom, Square Enix, etc.) in which the platform holder (Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo) will usually help with the funding (and sometimes the development) of certain titles and help with most of the marketing for the other publisher (Monster Hunter, Gears of War (before the acquisition of the IP)). Those type of projects usually ends up exclusives despite the fact that the other publisher retains the rights on the said IP.
How would you categorize Insomniac Games' Sunset Overdrive then?
Personally, I would say that this particular game fits in... as more of a 2nd-party game. As they partenered with Microsoft Games studios to work on this title and the fact that MS helped funding this project. The only difference here is that IG still retains the rights on the IP on the contrary to usual 2nd-party titles.
This seems a bizarrely smug attitude you've adopted for someone who has dropped into a thread to make a present what is basically a scattergun strawman console warrior-y post.
Also, I've seen people banned for doing this as well. Just FYI.
breakfuss
Member
I love these posts. "Youse gon get banned if you don't watch it, mister!!!"
Sorry for pointing out the obvious. No console warring over here. PS4-only and I'm disappointed at the news. Just funny that suddenly the conversation shifts to defending this kind of mediocrity simply because PS4 is still dominating teh chartz with more pixel-y third parties. What does that have to do with anything? Smells of deflection...especially when exclusIives have traditionally been touted as the reason to own a Sony console.
Given that the (Sunset Overdrive) IP doesn't even belong to MS in that case, seems that he was really fast and loose with "1st party" there.
I think beyond 1st party (owned studio, owned franchise) and 2nd party (owned franchise, external studio) there should be a "Check" party. Basically a third party that made you a (somehow permanent) exclusive you don't own the IP of, but are preventing a competitor from having.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/09/how-sunset-overdrive-became-an-xbox-one-exclusive
Interceptor
Banned
Nice post. ^^
Yeah, definitely. 2016 should be a much better year for this gen as a whole.
travisbickle
Member
Come on man!
Just because you say it isn't console warring doesn't mean it isn't.
This statement was made to investors. How you personally feel about the library and how you personally am disappointed has nothing to do with the statement made by House.
I think it's rather strange to be now disappointed with the Uncharted delay instead of having that reaction when the delay was announced, if one was anticipating the blockbuster so much.
The Artisan
Member
LBP3 should have been 3D, and it should have been made by MM. and I say that because I feel like if there's any dev that'd know how to make LBP fully 3D and nail it, it's gotta be MM.
LBP2 was such a huge fucking step up from LBP1 and imo, is one of the best Ps3 games ever, hands down.
LBP2 was such a huge fucking step up from LBP1 and imo, is one of the best Ps3 games ever, hands down.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Little Big Planet 4 will be true evolution of the IP. Sony messed up big time making it cross-gen in addition to rushing the release.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
man the console war is real out here
The Artisan
Member
I would agree, if there even will be an LBP4. with 3's massive flop I doubt sony's got any more confidence in the series and it doesn't seem like MM wants anything to do with it at this point either.
& yeah. for one, they should've axed the Ps3 version and just made it fully Ps4 exclusive, but there were several things wrong with that game & hindered it from feeling like a progressive LBP game.
Nightengale
Member
I don't think there will be a LBP4, unless LBP4 is completely reboot from scratch via Mm's new IP's creation tools.
The Artisan
Member
it doesn't need to be rebooted to grow. it just needs to become 3D. did you consider mario 64 and the galaxy series to be reboots to the mario platformer?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I don't think it sold poorly enough to not get another sequel.
I do think whatever MM is working will completely overshadow LPB from a user creation standpoint, but the series still has life in it IMO.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Less than 3 weeks until we see what Sony is working on. I really wonder why House made those statements because it really puts out a negative vibe on things going into E3.
Are you required to say the things he said?
Are you required to say the things he said?
YoYo Switch
Banned
ps4 a legacy console ?
rokkerkory
Member
Did sony and ms switch places? Its ok since both have quality
The Artisan
Member
do we have positive sales of LBP3? as much as i'd love an LBP4, I feel like what you said about it in regards to not selling poorly enough, can also be attributed to resistance, which is being kept in the dark.
but I'm all for it. as long as sumo digital ain't doin it.
If he was speaking to investors it is better for him to be honest and upfront about that stuff than to dance around it.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
True, but Resistance had two disappointing releases before getting shelved(not for me personally as I enjoyed them all).
So if they own the rights, doesn't that mean they could put it out anywhere they want and get the sales it deserves? Or did you mean Microsoft owns the ip and that's why it's not on Sony.
Sorry, just confused by your statement
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Of course you would drop in here to say this. Of course.
The Artisan
Member
disappointing in terms of sales or scores? all the games sold over a million iirc, and while none of them were milestone titles or super great, they were still good, enjoyable games.
I was just warning you that it's the kind of posting people get banned for is all.
Except you pointed out no 'obvious' of any kind, and clearly it did come off as console warring.
What's the news?
I honestly can't decipher what this means.
A reason to own any console I'd have thought, and I'm not seeing what has actually changed on that front here.
Also there is nothing negative about what he said for the vast majority of people this actually is for.
EA, Ubisoft and ActivisionBlizzard don't think it is bad to not compete against Uncharted. That's more money in the market for them in addition to co-marketing dollars.
Just because some people on GAF have a hard-on for list warz doesn't mean this is a negative story.
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Edit:
If someone is disappointed with their PS4 and think Sony sucks and don't cater to them any more, that's absolutely valid.
It just doesn't matter in the context of the statement made at an Investor Relations Day.
Make a different thread about how you got suckered into buying the thing even though the only thing that matters are games you don't know about yet but must fulfill a certain criteria of IP ownership and they must release at a certain time frame and can't have too much outsourcing and must be 1080p.
Gotta love the doom and gloom on words based on the currently announced fall lineup, which features close to zero 1st party since the delays (UC4 and R&C).
Now there's some olympic level jumping to conclusion practice going on that Sony can't possibly have anything in reserve and it seems we "should not expect any surprise at E3".
Smh...
If I'm right, and Sony does have some things in reserve, I expect Shinobi knew full well what he was doing and he is probably laughing his butt off reading this thread right now
Now there's some olympic level jumping to conclusion practice going on that Sony can't possibly have anything in reserve and it seems we "should not expect any surprise at E3".
Smh...
If I'm right, and Sony does have some things in reserve, I expect Shinobi knew full well what he was doing and he is probably laughing his butt off reading this thread right now
Americanmushroom
Banned
Cause gamers only play from September to December haven't you heard?
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
I'm going to pose the question again - What is it about the statement House made about lack of holiday titles from WWS in 2015, has made people think they'll have fuck all of anything to announce altogether at E3?
Hyperbole, agenda and outright lack of common sense is all I can come up with, because I don't know how some of the conclusions being reached in here are even part of the conversation.
Hyperbole, agenda and outright lack of common sense is all I can come up with, because I don't know how some of the conclusions being reached in here are even part of the conversation.
The Artisan
Member
was it 1st party? i know this thread had some discussion on 1st vs 2nd party and hell even 3rd party exclusivity. i thought in this case that Me1 was a 2nd party exclusive and Me2 un this case was a timed 3rd party excl.i remember mass effect being a 1st party exclusive lol
then
Nightengale
Member
Not really.
You need to answer your investor queries, but by and large you can get away with vague answers that is PR-ish or non-lies as long as it's not a lie.
I chalk it to House not really being concerned about it at a high level.
My guess is that they will, as they've done it before, with GT7 and LBP3.
The Artisan
Member
ah. well iirc, mS helped fund the making of so. did they do the same for ME?
TheUnsunghero26
Member
Yes. There's a reason why it took 5 years for EA to release it on other platforms.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Who said this? Having nothing to show that will release this year is the downer. If that is the case.
The Artisan
Member
you mean on 1 other platform, Ps3. it came to PC like half a year after it launched.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Wasn't bioware not part of EA during the first Mass Effect release? Hence the second and third going multiplatform with EA.
every exclusive there is some kind of help. this is not a charity business.
the only thing here is SO is own by insomniac they can do whatever they want with the game once the contract with MS expire.
just like capcom suddenly start to release games that nintendo help to fund on other platforms.
TheUnsunghero26
Member
Yeah, I should have said for them to get the console publishing rights. They also published the 360 Trilogy re-releaee, while other 360 re-releases (Platinum Hits in 2009, etc) were still put out by MS.
To me? The last two appeal to me far more then the other 3. At the end of the day it is all about opinions.
They can do whatever they want with the IP. That doesn't mean that the game Sunset Overdrive as it was funded by Microsoft may appear on any platform that Microsoft the publisher didn't approve of first.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Not everyone, of course, but reading through pages upon pages of this thread, the way some people are going on its as if they feel Sony has next to nothing coming in general. And even then, surely this was to be expected? How many times have any of the platform holders announced a game mid year then released it that same holiday? Nintendo has done it a few times recently, as has Sony with GT6 and LBP3, but still.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Insomniac can do what they want with Sunset Overdrive. But no doubt part of the MS publishing contract was for exclusivity for the original title.
where did you get that from?
I got it from their statement being made w.r.t. ownership of IP.
Where did you get it from that they can bring the game to any platform they want?
Also afaik, MS has right of first refusal of a sequel, so only if they say no to funding a sequel can Insomniac shop for another publisher.