Spinosaurus
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Also I'm really disappointed that Capcom is still seemingly refusing to put Haggar in Street Fighter. It's his time! I love Gief but I honestly want him to give the spotlight to Haggar this time around.
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Street Fighter 5 Character Hints?
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JohnSpartanLee
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I think the "16 characters roster" was a false rumor:
(from https://www.reddit.com/r/SF4/comments/2onqfz/street_fighter_v_ken_bogard_shares_some_rumours/)IMashButtons said:
Captainbob
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Has the latest 'dark' Sakura video from Bornfree been discussed yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neaydiu-eMM
Dark Sakura figure from EVO:
He did a similar one about Oro some time ago, I think he makes a valid point about merchandising, it could be serious hints.
Regarding recent leaks, the only source I trust for now is Ken Bogard, the guy litterally announced V Trigger months ago. He definitely knows most of the roster, if not all.
To sum up his claims/hints/'enlightened' suppositions (to take with a grain of salt of course):
- 16 characters, including 4 new (Zen, Laura, Rachid and ?).
- one unique flagship title, game will be updated through seasons/DLC
- SF5 takes place after SF4, but before SF3. Deals with the fall of Shadaloo and rise of the Illuminati, storywise it's a transition to SF3 era.
- Only 'Shadaloo member' remaining is Dictator, implying no Boxer, Sagat or Claw.
- efforts will be made on story mode, characters will make sense story wise.
So educated guess / crazy theory based on leaks, hints and what we know so far :
Ryu
Chunli
Dictator
Nash
Cammy
Birdie
IMO 90% sure:
Alex: people tends to forget he is the main SF3 protagonist, and he's a fan favourite.
Urien: would be the new bad guy, and his presence would make a logical transition to SF3 plot.
Juri : they need at least one original SF4 character, and she is by far the most popular one, has an original playstyle and would fit nicely with SF5 mechanics (fengshui engine as VTrigger, charged fireball as VSkill, counter/teleport move as VReversal), and since she's basically all what remains of SIN she would make sense for a transition between SF4 and SF5 plot.
!Speculations/crazy theory!:
'Dark' Sakura : Bornfree video point, and it would actually be a logical evolution of the character.
As a reminder she was hit by Seth machine in her SF4 ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9yEw5L5xY4
It could have awoken her satsui no hado. Seeing as they made Ryu the heavy bulky shoto, they could make her the fast/exotic one, could use a mix of her former style and Akuma moves. Could be the missing left character on OP image, with dark aura.
And most importantly, a Sakura overtaken by the satsui no hado would be the perfect excuse to bring Karin back.
Karin: one of the most requested character (n°1 by Japan, above Ryu), not seen for a long time and would fill the rekka character archetype. Could be the missing right character on OP image, with red aura. Story wise she could return to bring Sakura back to her senses.
Oro: according to Bornfree video, he could be part of the cast. It would add an exotic fighting style and an 'elder' character type to the roster.
4 new characters
Rachid
Zen
Laura
Unknown (Santamu?) : I always found strange that the last character was not leaked with the other, it could be because it's an existing character in SF lore who was not playable yet. Contrary to the other three, giving his name would totally give away the character. So I'd bet on Santamu since she was already rumoured to be added to USF4 by KB, I think Capcom was indeed working on Santamu at that time, but for SF5.
She's also from Vietnam, a country yet to be represented in SF. Bringing back a doll to backup Cammy in their last fight against Dictator would also make sense story-wise. And lastly she's a spear user accompanied by a monkey so she wouldnt play like Cammy at all .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neaydiu-eMM
Dark Sakura figure from EVO:
He did a similar one about Oro some time ago, I think he makes a valid point about merchandising, it could be serious hints.
Regarding recent leaks, the only source I trust for now is Ken Bogard, the guy litterally announced V Trigger months ago. He definitely knows most of the roster, if not all.
To sum up his claims/hints/'enlightened' suppositions (to take with a grain of salt of course):
- 16 characters, including 4 new (Zen, Laura, Rachid and ?).
- one unique flagship title, game will be updated through seasons/DLC
- SF5 takes place after SF4, but before SF3. Deals with the fall of Shadaloo and rise of the Illuminati, storywise it's a transition to SF3 era.
- Only 'Shadaloo member' remaining is Dictator, implying no Boxer, Sagat or Claw.
- efforts will be made on story mode, characters will make sense story wise.
So educated guess / crazy theory based on leaks, hints and what we know so far :
Ryu
Chunli
Dictator
Nash
Cammy
Birdie
IMO 90% sure:
Alex: people tends to forget he is the main SF3 protagonist, and he's a fan favourite.
Urien: would be the new bad guy, and his presence would make a logical transition to SF3 plot.
Juri : they need at least one original SF4 character, and she is by far the most popular one, has an original playstyle and would fit nicely with SF5 mechanics (fengshui engine as VTrigger, charged fireball as VSkill, counter/teleport move as VReversal), and since she's basically all what remains of SIN she would make sense for a transition between SF4 and SF5 plot.
!Speculations/crazy theory!:
'Dark' Sakura : Bornfree video point, and it would actually be a logical evolution of the character.
As a reminder she was hit by Seth machine in her SF4 ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9yEw5L5xY4
It could have awoken her satsui no hado. Seeing as they made Ryu the heavy bulky shoto, they could make her the fast/exotic one, could use a mix of her former style and Akuma moves. Could be the missing left character on OP image, with dark aura.
And most importantly, a Sakura overtaken by the satsui no hado would be the perfect excuse to bring Karin back.
Karin: one of the most requested character (n°1 by Japan, above Ryu), not seen for a long time and would fill the rekka character archetype. Could be the missing right character on OP image, with red aura. Story wise she could return to bring Sakura back to her senses.
Oro: according to Bornfree video, he could be part of the cast. It would add an exotic fighting style and an 'elder' character type to the roster.
4 new characters
Rachid
Zen
Laura
Unknown (Santamu?) : I always found strange that the last character was not leaked with the other, it could be because it's an existing character in SF lore who was not playable yet. Contrary to the other three, giving his name would totally give away the character. So I'd bet on Santamu since she was already rumoured to be added to USF4 by KB, I think Capcom was indeed working on Santamu at that time, but for SF5.
She's also from Vietnam, a country yet to be represented in SF. Bringing back a doll to backup Cammy in their last fight against Dictator would also make sense story-wise. And lastly she's a spear user accompanied by a monkey so she wouldnt play like Cammy at all .
While not a completely different costume, Cammy's 2P color is pretty damn awesome (also note that they change her eye color)
Jill Valentine pallet swap?
I believe they are supposed to be rivals but have never met. Considering this game will likely be supported for quite some time it would be nice to see them both in eventually if they could figure out a way to make their nearly identical moveset work differently.
Combofiend says they dont want clones in SFV. Ken confirmed not in
Ken isn't a clone though. Twelve and Seth deconfirmed.
if the season update thing is true, ken will be 2nd season lead figure.
didnt he leave shadaloo tho? but even then his defensive playstyle might not be great in this engine. then again they changed bison.
also, didnt birdie leave shadaloo and is on his own?
-werent all characters story mode related at first? and then later on they pretty much went dbgt on it?
Captainbob said:
didnt he leave shadaloo tho? but even then his defensive playstyle might not be great in this engine. then again they changed bison.
also, didnt birdie leave shadaloo and is on his own?
-werent all characters story mode related at first? and then later on they pretty much went dbgt on it?
Troubled Bat
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I want Brooklyn Alex.
It's speculation. We only know the couple of confirmed characters and some rumors.
That being said I could see him being left out for playstyle diversity reasons and/or to be sold in a later update, but it's all up in the air right now.
Doesn't Birdie's profile on the loading screen state "Ex-member of Shadaloo"?
AdaWong
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Viper and Juri are the most popular SF4 characters. That's a fact according to Capcom's official results.
As for "face of SF4" thing:
ALL three were in crossover games:
1) Juri in Project X Zone
2) Abel in Street Fighter x Tekken
3) Viper in Marvel vs. Capcom (the most significant of them all)
Viper was one of the main characters of the SF4 movie, and only her and Ryu got figures when SF4 was released.
Juri's popularity is CRAZY high and was marketed as THE character of Super, Capcom paid poor Hakan dust.
Abel is the third most popular SF4 newcomer after Viper and Juri according to, again, Capcom's official poll.
Original SF4 -> Viper
Super SF4 onwards -> Juri
So if we are to get 1 SFV character, it's going to be either Viper or Juri. They both fit the "unique" criteria and would work very well with the game's mechanics.
As for "face of SF4" thing:
ALL three were in crossover games:
1) Juri in Project X Zone
2) Abel in Street Fighter x Tekken
3) Viper in Marvel vs. Capcom (the most significant of them all)
Viper was one of the main characters of the SF4 movie, and only her and Ryu got figures when SF4 was released.
Juri's popularity is CRAZY high and was marketed as THE character of Super, Capcom paid poor Hakan dust.
Abel is the third most popular SF4 newcomer after Viper and Juri according to, again, Capcom's official poll.
Original SF4 -> Viper
Super SF4 onwards -> Juri
So if we are to get 1 SFV character, it's going to be either Viper or Juri. They both fit the "unique" criteria and would work very well with the game's mechanics.
Jawmuncher
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Can't wait to play Juri in this. She has to be a lock, she just has to be.
For easy V Skill and V Trigger characters
Yun
Yang
Rose
Juri
Oro
Urien
Hakan
Q
Dudley
Karin
All the above characters either have a counter that can easily be a V Skill or a powered up state that can easily be a V Trigger.
Anyway the Beta releases in about a month. I assume it will include all the revealed characters so far. However I am hoping we get atleast one new character revealed before the Beta.
Yun
Yang
Rose
Juri
Oro
Urien
Hakan
Q
Dudley
Karin
All the above characters either have a counter that can easily be a V Skill or a powered up state that can easily be a V Trigger.
Anyway the Beta releases in about a month. I assume it will include all the revealed characters so far. However I am hoping we get atleast one new character revealed before the Beta.
Stone Ocean
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Ken is a clone. The fact that he plays differently does not change that, all clones do.
Captainbob
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In the first video he only hinted to a roster size similar to previous games at launch. But he did a lot of other live streams afterwards, and still does, randomly dropping hints.
And nowadays when he talks about SF5, he speaks on the basis of a 16 characters roster "according to the current internet word of mouth". He's basically doing a KB->Internet->KB to muddy the waters and obfuscate the fact he was the primary source. So I'm kind of confident the roster is indeed 16 characters, or at least something very approaching.
Sagat indeed left Shadaloo, that's precisely his point to explain why he "thinks" he's not in SF5. And maybe Birdie came back to Dictator since its departure didn't really work out for him?
I dont know about the lore justifications, still his point was that Boxer, Sagat and Claw "should" be out.
Omnistalgic
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what a silly posts...
Either way, Ken Army rejoice.
Ken haters, can't wait to see your tears '0-)
Q is what I want the most. I really want too see some weird ass fighter that's not a monster looking.
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Birdie says in SF5 he's not with Shadaloo unless I'm mistaken.
Holy Order Sol
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2015, where people only watch fighting games superficially and how they actually play doesn't matter
Stone Ocean
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The definition of a clone is superficial. I can't think of any any characters in any fighting game that are similar down to frame data and other things - except maybe Ken in SF1 but that doesn't count.
Ken visually shares 90% of his moves with Ryu, that's what a clone in a fighting game is. Hell, he's basically the one that created this definition in the first place.
People are telling you that Birdie is verified not with shadaloo in SFV. As mentioned his occupation on the select screen is "ex member of shadaloo." There's no theory that applies as to why he came back to shadaloo as he hasn't come back. That part of the rumor and who knows how much else of it is incorrect.
Stone Ocean
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Honestly the no clones thing sounds more like "if we add any clones we'll make them unique like Nash" as opposed to no clones period.
Captainbob
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I am merely repeating what KB said. I dont say Birdie is back to shadaloo, just that KB implied Birdie was somehow linked to dictator in SF5, and could be "his bodyguard", the main point being that other shadaloo members (Sagat, Boxer and Claw) shouldnt be present.
And I am inclined to listen to a guy who announced VTrigger, among other things, months ago and has been a reliable source since. But once again everything should obviously be taken with a grain of salt. Btw I'll rephrase the line on Birdie on my original post, whether or not he belongs to shadaloo wasnt the point.
crimzonflame
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"No clones". Lol watch Capcom put Akuma in
sixteen-bit
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Maybe clones = DLC
I feel like akuma is a given imo
Kojirospath
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I"m hoping Sakura or Ken is the new Akuma and the only other Shoto.
Ronabo
Member
Q is what I want the most. I really want too see some weird ass fighter that's not a monster looking.
I just want to learn more about him. Such a mystery.
Oh and as a Honda player/lover I'd like him back.
abstract alien
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People love having the same thing "but with a twist!...!", so I almost expect them to drop a few shoto bastards in.
It would kinda bum me out if Ken and Akuma weren't in it. I get the shoto fatigue, but they have unique things about them and I like switching it up between the variations in every SF.
If Combofiend's comment is to be taken seriously, I guess it does mean no Ken or Akuma, though. There's nothing close to a clone, otherwise. Yang to your Yun, I suppose.
If Combofiend's comment is to be taken seriously, I guess it does mean no Ken or Akuma, though. There's nothing close to a clone, otherwise. Yang to your Yun, I suppose.
Motion Picture Soundtrack
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This could easily mean nothing, but looking at the stats they assigned to each character (power, health, mobility, range and technique), the only stat that none of the so far revealed characters have maxed out is range. Considering how far Birdie and Chun's attacks reach, and assuming at least one character in the roster would have a maxed out range stat, I'd say it suggests either Dhalsim or Necro being in the game.
Obviously, the premise this is based on is fairly flimsy, and also ignores the idea of DLC characters having the maxed out stat.
Obviously, the premise this is based on is fairly flimsy, and also ignores the idea of DLC characters having the maxed out stat.
Omega Ken had several new kick attacks such as throwing hadoukens with kicks. There's some speculation that Capcom used Omega mode in SFIV as sort of testing ground for SFV, so perhaps Omega Ken gives us a good idea of how they plan to differentiate him from Ryu.
I could imagine a new play style for Ken that has a larger focus on rushdown with kick-based attacks with a few fist moves such as his signature flaming shoryuken. It'd be pretty awesome. Sure he would still be a shoto, but he could be more like Sakura in terms of how much he differentiates from Ryu.
I could imagine a new play style for Ken that has a larger focus on rushdown with kick-based attacks with a few fist moves such as his signature flaming shoryuken. It'd be pretty awesome. Sure he would still be a shoto, but he could be more like Sakura in terms of how much he differentiates from Ryu.
BronsonLee
Member
Can we have Elena instead of Urien?
That would be better for me.
If Urien is there, I think it's for story reasons I.E Charlie's noggin jewel
They all have the same fireballs, shoryukens, and hurricane kicks along with the same gameplay motion to do those moves. They're clones.
Whenever I play online and someone picks a shoto I eyeroll everytime. Learn somebody new! I only ever play shoto's in single player and then never touch them again. I'm firmly in the camp that Ryu should be the only shoto.
I'll make reservations for Sean, Sakura, and Dan as long as the moves stay different, but take Sean/Dan out of the standard Gi's if they're in and make them look different.
You're only proving your ignorance with this statement. They all have different fireballs, different shoryukens and different hurricane kicks. Yes the motion is the same but those motions are common for about 75% of the cast.
Dont agree. Those moves are all the same except for slightly powered up (Ryu's fireball/Kens Shoryu/Akuma's Tatsu) versions of them. Well, and Ken's Tatsu depending on which version he is.
Honestly, had no problems with shoto's until I started playing the Street Fighter series online. When you fight 10 players in a row all using Ruu/Ken/Akuma you develop a bit of shoto fatigue.
Shogun1337
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I don't usually post. Just have to make sure you're not fucking with me, what Square Enix hint? They might make a sequel to The Bouncer? Don't tease me please
The approach to fighting those three characters is completely different.
Nash's goal is to kill Bison so I doubt Shadaloo revived him.
nikos
Member
You're wrong. Their special moves are all completely different in terms of speed, damage, hits, mechanics, juggle state, etc. They also all have much different normals. They're all very different to play.
Ryu Ken and Akuma all play completely different from each other. Playing Ken like Ryu just means that you're playing a poor mans Ryu, same goes for playing Ryu like Ken. They require different approaches to be effective with them.
Based on what Combo said it probably means that if Ken comes in they'll try to differentiate him from Ryu even more than before.
Based on what Combo said it probably means that if Ken comes in they'll try to differentiate him from Ryu even more than before.
Don't want to derail this thread into a bunch of shoto talk, but is there any other series of fighting games out there where three or more characters have 3 or more of their super's or non-normal move set be "basically" the same thing And are even named the same? I totally understand damage, speed, and normal moveset variations differ among these, but I firmly believe Capcom did this to avoid complete and utter selection stagnation for players not brave enough to try a new character who needed that familiarity in those moves to feel comfortable.
Razzorn34
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This... would be amazing.
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