Besides Sony itself and indie developers, I don't know of any third party that has ever adopted cross buy. So I'm pretty sure each version of the game will be sold separately.
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Odin Sphere Leifdrasir announced - PS4/PS3/Vita, HD remaster w/ new shit, Jan 14 2016
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Besides Sony itself and indie developers, I don't know of any third party that has ever adopted cross buy. So I'm pretty sure each version of the game will be sold separately.
Karsticles
Member
I am betting that is a skill tree.Has there been any information on what looks like the leveling system? From the trailer, it looks to be some sort of branching talent based system
Haiiro Husky
Member
Yeah that is what I thought too, similar what to Muramasa: Rebirth had. I'm sure the final ones will be super powerful like the final ones in Muramasa were.
Weltall Zero
Member
GAH! "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by atlustube.". Anyone has another source?
Yep, those are all skills. Does anyone want a translation of them? They're all in Katakana so it's very easy for me to do so.
I'm going to pass on this. Odin Sphere was a flawed and limited game with some significant issues. I got it on PS2 and, though I loved the visuals, I put it down after a few hours. Dragon's Crown was a big improvement but still not quite there. I wish Vanillaware would finally make the game that those gorgeous art and music assets deserve.
Weltall Zero
Member
Which this remake seems to solve. /shrug
Unfortunately they are a pretty small team, and making games with these art styles is pretty time consuming under their strict budgets I'd imagine. Even though they are flawed and limited from a gameplay perspective, I'll continue to support Vanillaware because nobody else makes games like theirs.
Muramasa felt the best to play, IMO. It was much faster and more responsive than both Odin Sphere and Dragon's Crown.
Does it though? They're adding more content but there's really no telling if the game will be any less repetitive. If people didn't enjoy playing through the same game 5+ times essentially, just with different characters, I don't see why they would suddenly enjoy doing the same thing with better combat, more battles, and more crafting.
Please do, I'd appreciate a translation.
Stone Ocean
Member
Having more varied encounters with better combat and more enemies coupled with better exploration might do the trick
Worldshaker
Member
Jan can't come quick enough. Day one it is!
Only if varied means stuff unique to each campaign. The distribution is the most important thing. If they bloat the game up with a ton of new content but use that same content in every campaign like they did the first time, it'll be the same problem again. If the stages in each campaign now have unique exploration paths and unique mid-bosses throughout, that would fix a lot of issues. Big if though. Vanillaware seems to feel that if they make any sort of content at all, they need to reuse it at least 6 times.
Dammit, I saw that link last night but held off on watching it until today! Seconding the request for another source.
Dragon's Crown did really well for them though, so hopefully they have more resources to invest in this and their next game.
You are missing out big time.
Stone Ocean
Member
Didn't they mention they were cutting off some bloat on the remaster? Like repeating stages or something? Or was I imagining things?Only if varied means stuff unique to each campaign. The distribution is the most important thing. If they bloat the game up with a ton of new content but use that same content in every campaign like they did the first time, it'll be the same problem again. If the stages in each campaign now have unique exploration paths and unique mid-bosses throughout, that would fix a lot of issues. Big if though. Vanillaware seems to feel that if they make any sort of content at all, they need to reuse it at least 6 times.
Weltall Zero
Member
I was replying regarding deciding to skip this out of hand without even waiting to see how the improvements pan out. Still, saying "I don't see why" and "better combat" in the same sentence seems weird; you just answered yourself. Why would anyone play anything if not for gameplay?
Some people will always find VW games repetitive, and some will find them worthwhile, having more content and better combat will simply change that proportion, much like with Dragon's Crown. Muramasa had much smaller changes when they ported it to Vita, but those, especially the improved control scheme with a dedicated jump button and the redone translation, were enough to make me actually like and finish the game the second time around. I actually loved Odin Sphere the first time, and the changes are much deeper, so this is a no brainer for me. I do understand many people won't like it, and that's OK, but at the very least waiting to see how it reviews seems the sensible thing to do.
OK then. Keep in mind many of them are cropped.
Cornelius: Plasma Circle, Psypher, Rapid Spin, Stun-, Rever-
Velvet: Tail Whip, Ignition, Around Edge, Swing Air Raid, Flare-
Oswald: Craze Grip, Assault High, Evil Rush, Pulsar Shade, Rage-
Mercedes: -Gain, Flash Shot, First Shot, Hunter Shot, Psypher, Roun-, Sli-
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Dragon's Crown is one of my favorite games on the PS3. I never played the original Odin Sphere, but I heard it has some problems. Should I pick this up? Is it similar to Dragon's Crown?
And why isn't there a freaking Dragon's Crown remaster for PS4. I would buy 4 of them to give to friends so we could co-op.
And why isn't there a freaking Dragon's Crown remaster for PS4. I would buy 4 of them to give to friends so we could co-op.
Definitely pick this up. Even with its flaws, I think Odin Sphere is a better game than Dragon's Crown. And this remaster looks to be ironing out or outright fixing most of its problems.
Weltall Zero
Member
It's very different from Dragon's Crown, so don't go in expecting anything like it. Even with the enhancements it probably won't touch DC, too. However, it has a much better story; well, it has story, which is more that can be said for DC.
It's more of an action RPG in a sense. It's kind of hard to explain what kind of game it is, because unlike DC it's not mechanically similar to any other game except Princess Crown. You're probably better of watching videos of it, although with its apparently pretty major gameplay overhaul it might actually not be much help to judge the new version either.
Dragon's Crown on the PS4 would be pretty much a port, rather than a remaster, as it's already HD, but yeah, it's kind of bad that there isn't one.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Bought!
Because the problem with Odin Sphere wasn't that the combat was terrible, it was because it was really repetitive? There's a huge difference between a game being fun for 7 hours and that same game still being fun for 40 hours. Sometimes less is more.
Karsticles
Member
Eh. Yes, the content was repetitive, but so is Dragon's Crown. I have 120 hours into DC and still play, though, because the base combat is fun. Odin Sphere had interesting combat, but it wasn't fun. Everything came out slow, had lots of recovery, and nothing canceled into anything. Items made it interesting. A more fun combat system can go a long way toward making repetitive content more engaging. Especially if all 5 characters have different and fun combat systems.Because the problem with Odin Sphere wasn't that the combat was terrible, it was because it was really repetitive? There's a huge difference between a game being fun for 7 hours and that same game still being fun for 40 hours. Sometimes less is more.
Because the problem with Odin Sphere wasn't that the combat was terrible, it was because it was really repetitive? There's a huge difference between a game being fun for 7 hours and that same game still being fun for 40 hours. Sometimes less is more.
Yeah, repetitiveness will always be a negative strike against something, but I still disagree with you here. Like the poster below you, I also will use Dragon's Crown as an example here. That game is just as repetitive (maybe even more than OS) and it entertained me for hundreds of hours because the gameplay was good and fun.
The combat/crafting tedium absolutely played a huge part in why OS became a chore to play after clearing a character or two.
I'd also like to point the finger at many hunting games. Those are the pure definition of repetition, but the ones with solid systems in place have people playing them for thousands of hours, and for many years.
I wouldn't really say its the best way to make a game for sure, but it certainly does make a big difference.
People play hunting games for thousands of hours?
Sword Familiar
178% of NeoGAF posters don't understand statistics
Hmm, might give this another chance. Probably getting it for my Vita.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Pretty hyped for this game. I loved it when it came out for PS2.
Hollaaaa.
Hollaaaa.
storafötter
Member
I have this on PS2 and only played to the first boss. Which is a shame. I know I will double dip due to the sound of improvements. I really enjoyed Murasama on Vita.
As much as I dislike the design of the rabbit guy, his addition to this statue strangely gives it a bit of Disney-like class and legitimacy compared to the standard lewd anime statue it would be with just Velvet. Would buy.
Jacknod
Nose Master
Member
BEST ACTION GARDENING SIM. Will double dip for PS4.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Did you play for like 5 minutes?
Giolon
Member
New figure looks great! I'm glad to see Cornelius in it. I hope Oswald gets one, so the entire cast will all have one.
Velvet had a prior one based on her character key art:
I wouldn't say that's lewd (nor would I about Gwendolyn's or Mercedes's prior figures). Let's not run wild with stereotypes, eh?
Velvet had a prior one based on her character key art:
I wouldn't say that's lewd (nor would I about Gwendolyn's or Mercedes's prior figures). Let's not run wild with stereotypes, eh?
Let's not kid ourselves here, Vanillaware art is insanely sexualised, lewd and uncompromising. That's part of the beauty. It wasn't an insult.
Giolon
Member
Absolutely true, but I was just pointing out that the cast of this game has gotten very nice, tasteful figures before - even more reserved than Velvet in this new one! I also read more hostile intent in the wording of your post. Apologies.
Don't want to de-rail the thread anymore.
Is there any mirror for that gameplay capture from the stream that was taken down?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah well, I'd like it if just for once we'd get a game without that, myself. Oh well, not holding my breath...
charlequin
Banned
So when's one of these coming for Vanillaware's one really good game, GrimGrimoire?!
(I will probably buy this, even though that will probably be a mistake.)
(I will probably buy this, even though that will probably be a mistake.)
That's their thing, its better to just ignore the games entirely if the art bothers you so much. Kamitani isn't going to change or censor how he draws cause people have complaints about the lewdness.
Probably when Nippon Ichi finds a way to add a loli rubbing minigame to the Vita version.
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Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Or I can continue enjoying those games for their gameplay and still being critical of the art. Imagine that!
Yes, there are people playing Monster Hunter for literal thousand(s) of hours, but those are very few. Most dedicated player usually clocked their games for 100 hours or so, but even then that is still a lot of repetition
You know what Dragon's Crown and hunting games have that Odin Sphere doesn't? Multiplayer.
I play 300 hours of Toukiden almost exclusively in single player!
Probably when Nippon Ichi finds a way to add a loli rubbing minigame to the Vita version.
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If that's what it takes, hit me.
Theognosis
Member
This has got to be merely an appetizer. Hope they serve GrimGrimoire HD as the main course.