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SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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RoyaleDuke

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You know I've read a little bit more of the spoilers and I still don't know why people keep insisting there is a doppelganger situation going on.

What surprises me about this game is how much we still don't know about the story.

Either way I gotta watch myself in this thread, I don't want to spoil too much of the story for myself because I want to be blown away and legit shook.

The gameplay thus far is pretty mindblowing, this game is gonna consume me.
 
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User1608

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Hands of Stone said:
Yet again another Reddit post makes a good case for the twist:

"Big Boss himself was a "nobody" soldier -- albeit a very well-trained nobody -- until Operation Snake Eater. Solid Snake was a "nobody" soldier until the Shadow Moses incident (remember, the Outer Heaven uprising was swept under the rug, and Snake disappeared after the Zanzibar Land incident). Even Raiden was a "nobody" soldier until the World Marshal incident.

And, speaking of Raiden, the entire point of the Patriots' plan -- well, one part of it -- was to prove anyone could become a soldier on par with Big Boss or Solid Snake under the right circumstances...and, the bigger part of the Patriots' plan, with the right information control. Going right back to what BB said at the ending of MGS4, it's one big cycle of propaganda, information control, and repeating scenarios to create one hero after another to eliminate their competition and/or threats as they are used, discarded, and demonized by those in power.

The entire game series is a nobody inhabiting (or, perhaps more appropriately, inheriting) the role of a legendary soldier. Big Boss inhabits/inherits the role of The Boss, after her legacy is defamed. Solid Snake inhabits/inherits the role of Big Boss, after Big Boss' legacy is defamed. Raiden inhabits/inherits the role of Solid Snake, after Solid's legacy is defamed.

Big Boss, basically, effects (if the leak is true) a prototype of the S3 program."

Looking at it from this angle I kinda like it now.
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Yeah, I was beginning to think about MGS2 in relation to this game as well, and now I think it's alright if pretty hokey/crazy. Very excited to play this baby!
 
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vano89

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Question: do you guys know why Kaz had been captured? It was part of the Zero/Big Boss ruse or what? Are we sure he knows about Phantom BB?
From the stream is quite obvious Ocelot knows ("don't you understand russian anymore? Oh yeah... the shrapnel in the head..." or when Phantom failed a mission "seems like you're not the big boss we hoped") but Kaz looks sincere...
 
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XANDER CAGE

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when the original Phantom Pain VGAs trailer came out (the one that wasn't explicitly marked MGSV) wasn't there a bunch of confusion over whether or not the bandaged guy helping the player was Kiefer?
 
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ezekial45

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I took a wrong turn on twitter and another forum, and I found out about the twist. I would've loved to have gone in fresh, and see it for myself. I looked at old trailers, and it's totally obvious now.

I actually like the twist. I think it's a pretty clever idea. I want to see how it'll come together, though I can totally see people being upset about it. Especially when people were expecting a Metal Gear remake epilogue with David Hayter voicing.
 
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Springfoot said:
Where are you getting the notion these characters are rookies or anything close to "random"?

The mother of the special forces herself trained Big Boss. Big Boss trained Solid Snake. Raiden went through the world's most advanced VR simulation training - effectively a substitute Solid Snake training him (who he then did more directly during the actual mission). None of this is remotely akin to an everyman or "random" soldier becoming a legend - they were all specially groomed for the roles they took.

...And then we get a comatose medic taking over for Big Boss, not only as a figurehead, but as an actual commando running the same kind of solo ops in the field that made Big Boss that made Big Boss a legend among other highly trained field operatives.

Remember, these top tier Boss/Snake soldiers weren't just legends, they were legends among other special forces units, who themselves were a league above your average grunt, which is where a field medic would be.
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By reducing him to "comatose medic", you're literally ignoring the fact that:
-medics do have combat experience
-this medic is a part of big boss team and could've been trained by him
-two of big boss most trusted advisors are guiding him along.

In the mgs universe, that's more than enough
 
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Crossing Eden

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Rynam said:
Mhh, didn't they say the E3/Gamescom demos of Hero's way are a shorter/different version? From the looks of it, this one is exactly the same. So they lied? :(
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I don't remember that being said but then again I skipped around in the video.
 
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crazyrabbits

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Rynam said:
Mhh, didn't they say the E3/Gamescom demos of Hero's way are a shorter/different version? From the looks of it, this one is exactly the same. So they lied? :(
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Well, it is different. The player doesn't have access to any of the buddies besides D-Horse at that point, nor any of the upgraded gear/weapon customization options.

Also, there might be an additional moment when the commander is having a briefing with his troops, but in every stream I've seen so far, the commander is always in the building when the player arrives.
 
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Salaadin said:
By reducing him to "comatose medic", you're literally ignoring the fact that:
-medics do have combat experience
-this medic is a part of big boss team and could've been trained by him
-two of big boss most trusted advisors are guiding him along.

In the mgs universe, that's more than enough
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Very much so. Mother Base has a staff of 300 before it's destroyed. This man may be a trained medic by profession but the MB staff is highly trained and even trained by BB himself.
 
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Hands of Stone

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Boke1879 said:
Very much so. Mother Base has a staff of 300 before it's destroyed. This man may be a trained medic by profession but the MB staff is highly trained and even trained by BB himself.
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Coulda sworn I read somewhere it's one of the more talented soldiers that ends up becoming VS. OR maybe I imagined it..

Any more streams people?
 
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The Silver

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Springfoot said:
Where are you getting the notion these characters are rookies or anything close to "random"?

The mother of the special forces herself trained Big Boss. Big Boss trained Solid Snake. Raiden went through the world's most advanced VR simulation training - effectively a substitute Solid Snake training him (who he then did more directly during the actual mission). None of this is remotely akin to an everyman or "random" soldier becoming a legend - they were all specially groomed for the roles they took.

...And then we get a comatose medic taking over for Big Boss, not only as a figurehead, but as an actual commando running the same kind of solo ops in the field that made Big Boss that made Big Boss a legend among other highly trained field operatives.

Remember, these top tier Boss/Snake soldiers weren't just legends, they were legends among other special forces units, who themselves were a league above your average grunt, which is where a field medic would be.
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yes they were groomed, that's the whole point, anyone can be groomed to be like them, they weren't born special or have some unique super soldier DNA.

They were random in that they were relative nobodies, they weren't legends until they became legends. I don't know how you can say they weren't rookies when they specifically state they were rookies.

Solid Snake didn't go into Outer Heaven a known legend, the best of the best, Gray Fox and Big Boss were the best of the best in Foxhound. Solid was a green as shit rookie and did the impossible, NOW he's a legend and everyone talks him up as the greatest ever and how their must be something special about him.

Even then, higher ups sent him into Shadow Moses with the assumption he would fail or die along the way via foxdie, he was only meant to spread the virus, Snake did the impossible again by beating Liquid.

Raiden, everything about his life specifically engineered to make him into what the Patriots wanted. He was the final proof that you can take anyone and groom them into what you want them to be.

Big Boss, The Boss was ordered to die, Snake was set up to win from the start but The Boss chose to fight her hardest despite orders and Big Boss managed to win, NOW he's a legend, now he's this ultimate super soldier that everyone claims, before Snake Eater, he was a nobody rookie who had some good training.

Venom. You can keep trying to descredit him as some "medic" all you want. The fact is he's one of the closest most loyal guys to Big Boss, he would not be some scrub who couldn't hang. We saw in Peace Walker how BB personally trains his guys, you think he wouldn't do the same for some that close to him? What would makes medic any different from Big Boss prior to Snake Eater? BB was close to and trained under the Boss, medic was close to and trained under Big Boss.

Miller and Ocelot gave Venom motherbase, gave him a story, gave him the environment and tools to flourish. He was transformed into believing in his heart of hearts he was Big Boss, what happened to Venom is very much a primitive form of Raiden. He had everything set up beforehand by higher powers into being a man that can sustain the legend of Big Boss and just how Raiden succeeded in his role, so did Venom.
 
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A guy spent 9 years in a coma in the metal gear universe where they did everything they could to transform a top member of big boss's allies into big boss himself.

What is so hard to understand for people?
 
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mgs2master2

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Hands of Stone said:
Coulda sworn I read somewhere it's one of the more talented soldiers that ends up becoming VS. OR maybe I imagined it..

Any more streams people?
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The guide implies he is Big Boss' "most trusted man". Which now we know was a red herring which made us think he was grey fox or someone who is much more important.
 
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Man, if any of the assumptions/theories in the this thread is true, I envy all the fans who are going in blind.

I will enjoy their rage after they finish the game. I will enjoy their moment of getting it. I will excitingly read their analysis over the next few years of why "Kojima has done it again" whether great or bad.

That feeling of betrayal and confusion mirroring what Venom is feeling at the end. Big Boss = Kojima. The closest I can get to that feeling will be hating Kojipro because I am frustrated with dying in the game. lol
 
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vano89

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I know what you mean... I hope the game is fun enough to let me enjoy it even if I already know what's the "secret" behind it...
 
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Hands of Stone

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razzmahtazz said:
Man, if any of the assumptions/theories in the this thread is true, I envy all the fans who are going in blind.

I will enjoy their rage after they finish the game. I will enjoy their moment of getting it. I will excitingly read their analysis over the next few years of why "Kojima has done it again" whether great or bad.

That feeling of betrayal and confusion mirroring what Venom is feeling at the end. Big Boss = Kojima. The closest I can get to that feeling will be hating Kojipro because I am frustrated with dying in the game. lol
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Seems like fans are getting really close as to what the twist will be. Especially after the trailer that dropped today.
 
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robotoboy20

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crazyrabbits said:
Reposting a "Mission 46" picture:



(sighs)
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So this picture doesn't really prove a lot... I mean if this is implying that the big boss that's getting his cigar lit, is the "real big boss" then why does the promotional version of him which looks a lot like this scene look like this "ahab" fellow?
 
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Crossing Eden

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Hands of Stone said:
Seems like fans are getting really close as to what the twist will be. Especially after the trailer that dropped today.
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Someone in the trailer thread just said "Maybe in this game we aren't playing as Big Boss."
They're getting closer.

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So this picture doesn't really prove a lot... I mean if this is implying that the big boss that's getting his cigar lit, is the "real big boss" then why does the promotional version of him which looks a lot like this scene look like this "ahab" fellow?
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It is very possible that Kojima faked that shot and added the horn for the trailer(definitely isn't the first time he's done something like that), especially since it looks so out of place and we know that Big Boss didn't have any shrapnel in his head during the emergency room scene. And in that picture you can see that he doesn't have a horn either.
 
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vano89

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robotoboy20 said:
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So this picture doesn't really prove a lot... I mean if this is implying that the big boss that's getting his cigar lit, is the "real big boss" then why does the promotional version of him which looks a lot like this scene look like this "ahab" fellow?
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Probably is just Kojima trolling with us! The Big Boss getting his cigar lit by Ocelot is the real one, he has no shrapnel/scar on his head.
 
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I just realized... There are 2 codec frequencies in Metal Gear for Big Boss. The first one is John/big boss and the trolling second one is Venom.
 
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robotoboy20

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vano89 said:
Probably is just Kojima trolling with us! The Big Boss getting his cigar lit by Ocelot is the real one, he has no shrapnel/scar on his head.
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Probably right. I actually don't mind this theme... it's weird, and unexpected... and even a little out there. However I feel like it solidifies the themes of the MGS universe. Legends exist, and people become obsessed with them. Legends themselves are an entirely different matter.

Big Boss taught all of his men CQC, combat, and field ops. Just like the need to "carry on The Boss's" legacy we see that Big Boss himself has given up on that ideal. He comes to that realization at the end of Peace Walker when he becomes the scumbag we know him as... though he may not be the kind of guy who would create a nation of soldiers and a nuclear super power founded on terrorism... Venom Snake, one of the men who took Big Boss's rousing speech at the end of Peacewalker did. When his final words that MB was their Outer Heaven. This man obviously idolized him, and when his life was destroyed due to the selfish realization that Big Boss had come to, he dedicated his life to revenge, living his life the only way he knew how --- as a soldier.

It's no wonder Venom Snake became the evil terrorist we all know him as, he was an easily manipulated man, who lived believing in his leader, and mentor... just like Big Boss believed in The Boss... and The Boss realized just how futile legends are... and that her title as a legend would some day come back to haunt her. She knew that. Big Boss resolved to escape that fate... and live his life on his own terms.

I like it. I think it ties the story together better than MGS4... He's not a clone, or anything of the like... he was man, with his own life, and experiences... ruined by the idol he believed in, of course he was going to take it too far.
 
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