Zombie James
Banned
Embarrassing. I hope for their sake they're working on a patch right now because I don't think I'll ever touch a Bethesda game at launch again. First and last time.
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Digital Foundry Performance Analysis: Fallout 4
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Embarrassing. I hope for their sake they're working on a patch right now because I don't think I'll ever touch a Bethesda game at launch again. First and last time.
Ok a bit new to PC gaming I usually buy through steam but B2G1 deal is too good to pass up so I'll be buying physical. I forgot I don't have a disk drive. Is it possible to put the files on a USB and install from there or will the files be protected or whatever? Otherwise I might be forced to go ps4.
FranXico
Member
To be fair, although it runs a bit better, it doesn't exactly run like a dream on the PS4 either. If you don't have a decent enough PC, you probably didn't have much of a choice in any case.
You shouldn't even need to use the disc files, just enter the steam key that's in the box and start downloading from steam.
Dang. It's garbage on both consoles either way, huh?
Day One gaming is starting to become a failing proposition these days. Between this, Battlefield 4, Arkham Knight, and whatever else I'm forgetting this gen, it's starting to become not worth it to buy these right away.
BANNED, Lol. Good riddance.
Hopefully they're hard at work on patching this game up and there won't be an Oblivion scale issue in the future?
inpHilltr8r
Member
No worries.
The only time I've seen a single >1s I/O operation on a console is when the optical drive on the PS3 spins down. When that happens, the next read op on it can take several seconds while the disc gets back up to speed. You wouldn't get that in a streaming game on a modern console, because the hard drive never gets the opportunity to rest. Audio sees to that.
We'll probably never know what the actual cause is.
Chill Penguin
Member
Hopefully we get new consoles sooner than later. Review says budget pc outperforming ps4 now? Gross.
While consoles being more powerful would definitely help, the game should not run this badly on PS4 and Xbox One. Bethesda doesn't optimize their games correctly. It's their fault, not the power of the consoles' fault.
texhnolyze
Banned
I don't consider my PC as high end, but it can still easily outperform current gen consoles in any multiplatform games. It's a 6-year-old PC with phenom cpu and a 2-year-old amd card. At this rate, I think it'll still be doing that until the end of this console generation.
Beerman462
Member
i3/750Ti has been trading blows with the PS4 the entire generation. People expected PS4 to pull ahead at some point, but I don't think it will. This game should probably run better on consoles than it does. I was always going to get this on PC so the great optimization is just a bonus.
Dictator93
Member
It's the engine, plain and simple. The fact they even tried to pull the wool over gamers' eyes by claiming the creation engine was totally not Gamebryo when Skyrim was announced was hilarious and sad. This is a multi-billion dollar company and yet they can't even bother to actively keep up with technology and the demand consumers call for.
Retire creation, invest in a new one or use UE4/Frostbite.
Zombie James
Banned
I love how we're talking about the hardware being at fault for a game running on a buggy, shit engine by a developer with a horrible and long-standing reputation for this sort of thing.
It's a combination of both. A little more raw power would have helped performance. Bethesda's engine that's on life support doesn't appear to have fared well on these consoles. I hope after some post launch work they'll do some serious optimization.
It sounds awesome until I imagine how CryEngine would run on consoles when in the hands of Bethesda.
It's almost like Bethesda needs to hand the art and concept to a company that is familiar with CryEngine and let them implement their vision. One does the dreaming and directing, the other handles the technical work.
This idea probably works better in concept than in motion, though.
Yep, it's hilarious, really. This is almost akin to Batman Arkham Knight on PC levels of poor optimization, though probably not to the same extent.
JigglesBunny
Banned
You mean to tell me a Bethesda game is buggy, poor performing and ugly at launch, and all of those problems are prevalent on consoles to boot?
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Garrett Hawke
Member
Not necessarily true... as games get more VRAM hungry (as we're already seeing this year with Arkham Knight (lol) and BO3) the 750 Ti is going to start struggling.
Source: I used to have a 750 Ti, lol
I'm asking from a bad internet connection perspective. It would take me few days to download (think mobile phone speeds). I can bare an update download but full game download is death.
Calling it a high end last generation game is still a hard claim to make...
Apparently, the issue of framerate linked to the engine is still a thing for this game, as it was for other Bethesda games.
Do NOT read the comments, by the way. Some user, hilariously enough, renamed his Youtube profile to the spoiled ending. For people who don't care for spoilers in Bethesda's underwhelming main campaigns, it should be obvious what user I am referencing in the comments...
The game seems like a hybrid between last-gen and current-gen to me. While some effects are clearly an improvement over last-gen, the geometry in particular is on a last-gen level. You can literally count the polygons everywhere, and the textures aren't great either. The game pretty clearly started its development as a cross-gen game, and the world and models have been designed accordingly.
Which is totally fine by me. But it makes it really incomprehensible how the game can have performance issues on current-gen consoles.
I can confirm the drops during firefights on the PS4. They happen even in pretty normal fights and are apparently caused by the effects of some weapons. The loading hickups are not really an issue for me personally.
Oh, in that case, unfortunately, the disc only contains part of the game:
http://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-4-will-require-a-steam-download-even-if-you-buy-it-on-disc/
Assuming they fit as much as they could onto the DVD, there's probably still at least 15-20 GB to download after installing the disc.
Beerman462
Member
You might not be able to run the highest textures, but the fact that Arkham Knight is the exception here says something. I have a 2GB 7870xt and AK has been the only game to my knowledge that 2GB wasn't enough to match console textures. Even GTA5 I could run high textures even though the games internal VRAM limit said I couldn't. We will see and I've said in other threads I don't want my next card to be below 4GB cause I'm paranoid, but I believe 2GB is going to plenty to match consoles outside of a few outliers.
Alex
Member
Think it depends on the expectations you have for settings, you can often get away with murder on PC by willingness to lock to 30 FPS alone. 750ti isn't a card you should be buying for a gaming rig or anything but I wouldn't be surprised if it stuck around for awhile yet as that weird console comparison benchmark.
Futurematic
Member
Well, um, Frostbite would require some major changes in the ownership structure of Zenimax. Heh.
They have idTech 666/Void in-house but the Prey 2 team isn't using that either for some reason which is curious since Dishonored 2 is. So who knows why Zenimax thinks being a mini-Ubisoft plus their premiere studio using garbage Gamebryo engine is like a winning long term plan... but assuming sales match the reviews, they alas are pulling it off so far.
Pimpbaa
Member
Don't know what magical 660 Ti you had, but mine sure didn't. With only 1.5GBs of it's ram running at its advertised bandwidth, even moderate vram usage in current games cripples the card.
Beerman462
Member
Ouch didn't know the 660ti had that issue. Glad I got the 7870XT.
Yeah, I don't see this getting fixed anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong though.
texhnolyze
Banned
Huh, weird, my HD 7870 have never had any issue outperforming consoles output ever, except for bad ports like Batman AK. Mind you that most multiplatform titles are set at PC high settings and locked at 30fps on consoles, it's quite an easy feat to achieve that on most mid-tier PC. Perhaps it's due to that 1,5gb vram then.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Does said budget PC outperform the PS4 versions of, say, TW3 and Arkham City, at equivalent settings, though? Or does Bethesda just really suck?
MutonCommander
Banned
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The shitbox PC does just as well or better in TW3, but AK is a lost cause. No PC is immune from the stutter.
It's a common pattern. That budget PC is oddly viable this gen.
boredandlazy
Member
Where's the bit where the PS4 gets the next punch in? Repeat Ad-Nauseum...
Damn it. Thanks for the info, Just have to deal with it. Buying forza 6 and BO3 with it tomorrow so should have something to play anyway.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Oh come on, more power? Isn't that what they got from ps3 to pa4. No amount of power stops their issues. Not even sure what your thinking
Can't wait for the pc issues to show up more
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
I think it's a combination of both the engine they're using and the available console power. Fallout 4 isn't the first open-world game to run poorly on these consoles, and the Creation Engine/Gamebryo does have a history of producing framerate drops and stuttering.
It's not the first open world game to perform poorly, but given what it's actually doing, technologically, it shouldn't be performing this badly. Sure, if the hardware was more powerful they could brute force the game to run better, but there is no way the game should look and run as bad as it does on these systems.
They're shit ports, simple as that. I know threads like this are a perfect time for PC gamers for example, to jump in an make themselves feel better about their platform of choice, but Bethesda have screwed up here. That's all these is to it. Both pieces of hardware are capable of much more.
Why Bethesda...Why?NoFaceNico
Member
It's amazing to read this thread while keeping an eye on the users that have been banned. War... the console war never changes.
I'm really shocked to see the PS4 doing well. I preordered that one and don't even have one yet, I have to go buy one just to play Fallout 4, but I'm kinda wishing I had just gone PC with a mid level rig.
Overall though, I don't really care. If I could manage to get through the disaster that was Fallout 3 & NV on PS3, then I'm sure I can take whatever is in store for us here.
I'm really shocked to see the PS4 doing well. I preordered that one and don't even have one yet, I have to go buy one just to play Fallout 4, but I'm kinda wishing I had just gone PC with a mid level rig.
Overall though, I don't really care. If I could manage to get through the disaster that was Fallout 3 & NV on PS3, then I'm sure I can take whatever is in store for us here.
With mgs5 looking the way it does at 1080p / 60 fps, this game has zero excuse to run as shit as it is. Ueah the witcher has similisr problem, but the witcher actually tries to push the boundaries of what is possbile in an open-world game. This game looks like Bethesda simply went for servicable and ran with it. Fucking bums me out that this game doesn't get slack for looking and running like this in the media.
RealityCheque
Banned
0 FPS is just the new, secret photo mode.
Please understand.
Please understand.
You can only polish a turd so much. As long as Bethesda insists on using gamebryo every game they make will be a janky, buggy mess.
Oh man the hyperbole hits once again Fallout 4. I've played now the PS4 version for several hours and can confirm that the game runs very smooth for the most part. You have to seek for massive framedrops to even notice them (Indoor and Outdoor) and the game looks super clean on consoles. The AA solution seems superb this time but maybe it's just my imagine. The only big difference between PC and consoles are draw distance? Oh yeah what a big deal Is it bad that shadows are missing 10 feet away? Sure. Should've Bethesda put more work into the console version? Of course. But is it unplayable and absolutely disgusting on consoles? Hell no. And the 0 fps drops on Xbone are clearly just bugs that will be fixed in the future. But hey every opportunity to crap over consoles and their weak hardware must be used no matter if common sense tells something else right?
Is it bad that shadows are missing 10 feet away? Sure. Should've Bethesda put more work into the console version? Of course. But is it unplayable and absolutely disgusting on consoles? Hell no. And the 0 fps drops on Xbone are clearly just bugs that will be fixed in the future. But hey every opportunity to crap over consoles and their weak hardware must be used no matter if common sense tells something else right?