RoninChaos
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Dragon Quest 7 and 8 for 3DS show up on Amazon [Update: Confirmed]
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mugurumakensei
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Yea, it bombed sold worse than some of the DS remakes. I
I feel like we'll get DQ11 for PS4 unless they sell absolutely nothing.
Vincent Grayson
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Out of curiosity, where are you getting those numbers?
Dag, Ok, i'm sold on 8 at least. I always wanted to beat the ps2 version but I just couldn't get into it. Will definitely get in on this.
QuiteWhittle
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A leaker in the NPD thread.
Here are the remake numbers if you were asking for them.
I'd be wary of calling DQH a bomb before seeing official word from SE first though.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
There's other stuff too that makes playing this version nicer. Like all the other DQ handheld games, there's a Quick Save feature, but it functions more like a "save anywhere" -- it doesn't force you to quit out to the title screen and doesn't delete the save when you start it up again.
This is about what I expected TBH. I really hope it doesn't hold up future translations on the SE/Sony side, but I'm pretty content at this point to just buy the JP versions and plan on rebuying if DQ games actually come out here.
How is that not a save anywhere save? What's the difference?
That's literally the reason I quit 8. I got to the end of a dungeon, died (ran out of health/magic items, too), and the game wanted me to do it all over because my save was before the dungeon. Nope :/ I quit then and never started it back up.
I have to agree. DQ Heroes is a rather niche game in many ways. Not sure what realistic expectations they are for it. The best success the game can have IMHO is raising awareness for future DQ games.
Eolz
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You're worried how Dragon Quest VIII will be advertised on PS4/NX? You mean DQ 11, right?
Whoops yeah, was obviously talking about XI. Fearing that if it's multiplatform they might let S-E be in charge of most of the marketing/promotion, which would be a mistake for this game in the west, as we've seen in the past.
Even if if it's not a bomb, it can hardly be called better than mediocre after S-E claims (basing DQ future on that, not your regular Musou, etc) and some PS4 fans claims as well (series coming home, etc).
Those are not good numbers, even if this didn't cost them anything after its success in Japan.
To be clear and more on topic, while I don't expect miracles in terms of sales from DQ8R, I expect at least that it'll be marketed and that it'll pull better numbers than SMTIV in the west.
No idea for VII though. I know I'll get this one D-1 but not VIII.
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KiTA
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I mean, digital screenshots always look a bit more saturated than they do on the actual hardware? Something to do with the touchscreen layer and anti-glare stuff?
Sammy Samusu
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It's an HD action game and the return of DQ to PS platforms, I bet they thought it was going to sell well.
Nothing to worry though, Dragon Quest Heroes will sell well on Steam, and I have high hopes for Dragon Quest VII too.
Andyliini
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Has it been confirmed whether Nintendo or Square-Enix publishes these titles outside of Japan?
They didn't say anything, but back the when SE published VIII, IV and V, they dropped the number from European release. After Nintendo picked up publishing duties, the number stayed even in Europe.
I also wonder whether they let Nintendo to translate the games, or will they use their original english scripts. I know VII was never released outside of Japan on mobile, but VIII was. If Nintendo hadles translating, this release could stay Nintendo hardware for a while.
They didn't say anything, but back the when SE published VIII, IV and V, they dropped the number from European release. After Nintendo picked up publishing duties, the number stayed even in Europe.
I also wonder whether they let Nintendo to translate the games, or will they use their original english scripts. I know VII was never released outside of Japan on mobile, but VIII was. If Nintendo hadles translating, this release could stay Nintendo hardware for a while.
PumpkinSpice
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It's an HD action game and the return of DQ to PS platforms, I bet they thought it was going to sell well.
Nothing to worry though, Dragon Quest Heroes will sell well on Steam, and I have high hopes for Dragon Quest VII too.
It already sold well in Japan + Asia, so as long as they could make back translation costs (which should be cheap for that game) + make a decent profit they should be happy.
The real problem is if they have unreasonably high expectations and use that game as a barometer for future localizations as they hinted they would. Obviously that would be stupid for a bunch of reasons, but... Square Enix.
Well...IIRC, Square was disappointed in DQ9 selling over a million units in the west. Their expectations are pretty insane
OrbitalBeard
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I don't feel bad for them at all. Nintendo published and marketed that game entirely by themselves outside of Japan.
That was the old, shitty-ass, Wada-led Square Enix, though.
The new Square Enix seems way more grounded and understanding of their actual positioning in the international market.
It still hurts western DQ fans for them to abandon ship, so to speak. It baffles me that they're not publishing DQ7/8 in the west too after DQH was published by them.
QuiteWhittle
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Yes, SE five years ago isn't SE today. Armchair analysts on GAF, for example, had higher sales expectations for Type-0 and Mobius than SE themselves going by their financial reports.
If Nintendo offered to cover costs, why wouldn't they? I'm sure any non-3DS DQ title will still be published in the west by SE.
Jupiter_Shrooms
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DQ8 having visible enemies on the field just brought it until insta-buy territory for me. Does DQ7 have the same?
QuiteWhittle
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It shouldn't have gotten to that point, though. Nintendo shouldn't have to pay to get DQ games localized for an exclusive period of time. Square needs to start doing this shit themselves.
OrbitalBeard
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Definitely. It's ridiculous and they need to reevaluate their expectations. Dragon Quest is never going to be a massive success in the west but it can find some success and be profitable.
It's really, really sad that Nintendo has to publish VII and VIII but hell, I'm not going to complain about it. And maybe Nintendo will publish XI as well. They certainly care more for this IP outside of Japan than SE ever will.
Eolz
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For VII/VIII? No confirmation but the Direct made it look like it's Nintendo publishing them, as before.
OrbitalBeard
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Nintendo is the publisher.
entremet
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Yep. That's not how you build a franchise.
They should follow Namco's lead with the Tales series, which they kept localizing, and building a dedicated fanbase.
Sammy Samusu
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Nintendo and their love for Dragon Quest and Level 5.
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Actually now that I think of it, there is confirmation in the Direct itself that it's Nintendo who is publishing.
On the white splash screen presenting every game, Final Fantasy Explorers had a Square Enix logo. Meanwhile, Bravely Default, Dragon Quest VII, and Dragon Quest VIII had Nintendo ones.
Was at the exact same time as Bill Trinen was expressing Nintendo's support for the franchise over the years, which is obviously very true.
On the white splash screen presenting every game, Final Fantasy Explorers had a Square Enix logo. Meanwhile, Bravely Default, Dragon Quest VII, and Dragon Quest VIII had Nintendo ones.
Was at the exact same time as Bill Trinen was expressing Nintendo's support for the franchise over the years, which is obviously very true.
OrbitalBeard
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Correct. And Mega Man Legacy Collection had a Capcom logo. This is pretty standard stuff for Nintendo Directs and is the main evidence for who is publishing the DQ games. It wouldn't surprise me if this info is on Nintendo's press site as well.
Nintendo is also listed as the publisher for DQ VII and VIII on the Amazon pages.
I think someone said that NOE is publishing them in Europe meaning NOA would follow suit.
Sir_Crocodile
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Nintendo and their love for Dragon Quest and Level 5.
Neither of the remakes involved L5.
DQVIII original had L5 doing the legwork, but even there Horii & Armor Project wrote the story and called the shots. That's why it has a good story and battle system
OrbitalBeard
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He's probably referring to the large amount of titles by Level 5 published in the west by Nintendo.
PumpkinSpice
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Does either game use the N3DS c-stick/additional buttons--like for camera controls or anything?
Doesn't look like either supports the CirclePad Pro, but if they use N3DS stuff it may be my justification for getting one
DQ8 uses cstick for camera. I'm not sure if it works with CPP but I could check when I get home.
Always love an excuse to bust out my CPP.
FWIW camera on L/R works very well.
SliceSabre
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I first play VII all those years ago when I was in high school and had a whole summer of nothing to do to beat it.
I'm glad I'm going to get the chance to play it again on 3DS but I have a bit of apprehension because I remember that game legit took me nearly over 115 hours to beat.
I'm glad I'm going to get the chance to play it again on 3DS but I have a bit of apprehension because I remember that game legit took me nearly over 115 hours to beat.
Sir_Crocodile
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oh yeah. to be fair, we probably only got Layton vs PW because of how well Layton sells in Europe.
Wow, did you get lost a lot? I do remember one confusing bit aroundabout when you get the carpet, but nothing that would add 75 hours to the game!
That said it is one of the worst games ever to leave and go back to a couple of months later. I did that once and ended up just wiping my game and restarting.
Nintendo publishing huh? Well, that worries me that they'll try to do a limited print run or something, especially after the numbers DQH posted (I realize that it is a horrible metric to use, but Dragon Quest seems to be cursed with bad decisions in the west).
Anyway I preordered Dragon Quest VII and VIII. Got a second copy of VII for my brother. Here's to hoping Nintendo doesn't pull any shenanigans with limited printings...
Anyway I preordered Dragon Quest VII and VIII. Got a second copy of VII for my brother. Here's to hoping Nintendo doesn't pull any shenanigans with limited printings...
Hero of Legend
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I wish Level 5 did 8 3DS, would've turned out even better I bet, but L5 don't seem to want to work directly with a publisher these days other than with localizations (and Nintendo is all instances sans BN with NNK PS3).
Sweet, thanks for that. Yeah I read that they also use L/R and I'm sure that'll be just fine. But hey the more games I have that use N3DS features the more I can justify getting one
Sir_Crocodile
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Possibly - they know the 3DS and DQVIII very well, but they have that YW money now though. Don't really need to do work for hire anymore.
Agent Unknown
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I don't have time right now to look up the numbers but didn't the DQ DS remakes sell roughly 3-400k each? Those are really bad initial numbers for them though, yeah.
The other takeaway was why/when was Aquamarine banned?
I don't think Nintendo would publish the games, if they had to use the old translations. They have very high standards. On top of that DQ VIII has been the first DQ game to get published in Europe at all. So at least German and Italian translations are not available for VII (don't know about French and Spanish). Even though Nintendo started to publish certain (Wii U) games without translating them into all the multi-5 languages, I'm quite confident they'd never do this with a text-heavy 3DS game. On top of that they used German localized title cards in the German Direct, which they probably wouldn't have done, if they weren't translating the actual games into German..
So if they have to do translations anyway, they might as well do new English ones.
115 isn't that far beyond par. HLTB has it at ~110 hours median.
http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=2843
That's likely skewed a bit or just poor statistics, but ~40 hours like you claim is wildly under par. "You don't get the class system until 20 hours in" was a common complaint when it launched.