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[Birgitte2004]

Im sorry, you simply don't understand. There will be no install base splitting. Just people playing the same games at different graphic settings. Just like pc but without the "hassles", whatever they are. Your ps4 will still be good to go, unless playing at 30fps while others play at 60 destroys the experience for you. If that is the case your issues have nothing to do with video games.

One of the main reasons I play multiplayer games on consoles instead of PC is is because I'm on a level playing field for hardware.

This is not an "issue which has nothing to do with video games" no matter how much you wish it were. Get off your high horse.

Blaming it on "keeping up with the Joneses" is just people who are pro this plan trying to diminish the point.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Is Zoetis an insider or something? Seems like people here see him as a big deal.

 

[orochi91]

I have no idea what to think anymore.

I feel we're being trolled at this point.

Lol

 

[Turkoop]

Is Zoetis an insider or something? Seems like people here see him as a big deal.

Yeah, he hinted TLG at E3

 

[JudgmentJay]

Yes please. I'm all for better performing and/or looking console games.

 

[BlastProcessing]

If you look at the tablet market, the picture is not that bad, Apple lost marketshare in these years, thanks to the more fierce competition. They aren't the sole vendors of tablets in the world.

Apple faces almost no competition at their price points and general tablet sales are down as well. iPad sales hit an obvious wall when people felt that the one they had was good enough. You just can't get people to buy incremental upgrades at pace without the heavy carrier subsidies that Smartphones enjoyed.

 

[Ishida]

Is Zoetis an insider or something? Seems like people here see him as a big deal.

Yep. He is.

 

[oti]

One of the main reasons I play multiplayer games on consoles instead of PC is is because I'm on a level playing field for hardware.

This is not an "issue which has nothing to do with video games" no matter how much you wish it were. Get off your high horse.

I love how retro your username feels.

 

[AmyS]

Sounds all too similar and reminds me of the original PS1 upgrade rumors in '97 where there would be a PlayStation Type C and a nextgen PlayStation 64 / PlayStation 2.

 

[SolidSnakex]

If that insider is correct an it is coming out at the end of the year, then this theory seems most probable and this is only a revision/update:

If it's that then I could totally understand it coming out this year. It'd be more along the lines of the revisions Sony has done in the past with their hardware instead of some massive power upgrade.

 

[Sarobi]

I can see them doing a hardware upgrade, especially if Microsoft does one with the Xbox One. Timing is everything, though. PS4 is moving, and I'm sure they're not interested in having to explain to consumers the differences between them right now.

 

[El_Chino]

That would be like throwing every thing logical and sensible into a pit because "reasons". We are on the precupice of a pretty big transition in the world of GPUs, and even moreso in the world of AMD CPUs. On top of that, an entirely new RAM architecture that literally laughs in the face of bandwith concerns is in the cards for this year. If Sony is impatient enough to not wait another full 8-10 months, than yeah, they'll go 28 nm.

Hasn't HBM 2 been delayed?

It's not like it's going to be a massive upgrade, that's why I think mentioning Polaris/Zen is a stretch.

Maybe a variant of the 370x? I'm just speculating.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

If it bothers you so much skip the in between upgrades. It will be just like a traditional console gen.

Some people are still thinking like this is going to be a completely new system, but clearly the PS4.5 is going to play the same games with the same OS, and mostly offer "enhanced" versions with better performance that is optional.

The problem is that a portion of the current PS4 userbase will not be happy if they are no longer playing the definitive console version of a game. Even if they can still play the game fine at lower resolutions or framerates, the fact that the PS4.5 is able to play it better will stick in their craw and they will be unable to enjoy it. Those that are willing to spend the money will upgrade. Those who are not will either get over their bitterness or leave the console space entirely.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

 

[Refreshment.01]

Been saying for years that upgradable hardware was a possibility console manufacturers should embrace.

Even suggested this for the PS4 when Sony announced Project MOrpheous, since the console wasn't manufactured with VR in mind. It seems it might become true after all.

 

[ISee]

I really don't understand these posts.

What exactly has Kotaku been wrong on with significant leaks lately? Their track record is pretty much the best in the industry with leaks in the last several years.

Kotaku is an opinion and clickbait based blog site and is relying on sensationalist headlines or eye-catching gifs and not on serious news reporting.

Let's take a look at some other 'articles' from Mr. Patrick Klepek. I do not know how someone can take a 'rumor' published by him seriously.


My PC Upgraded To Windows 10 Without Asking, Then Immediately Broke

That Time Xbox 360's Uno Game Was Flooded With Dick Pics

The FBI Made A Video Game And It Sucks

Totally 100% Reasonable Mashup Combines Frozen Songs With Amnesia: The Dark Descent

Fan Edited Trailer For The New Ghostbusters Is So Much Better

A Very Mean Mario Maker Checkpoint

An Eight-Year-Old Just Wrecked Me In Mario Maker

Guy Realizes Catherine Totally Predicted His Relationship Woes

Reminder: Dragon’s Dogma’s Ending Is Completely Ridiculous

 

[DeepEnigma]

hdmi improvement in firmware. Which could enable 4k output of video.

Again, Jeff_Rigby redeemed?

 

[yuraya]

Looking at the gangbusters NPD and international sales data this gen, how is the traditional console model outdated?

PlayStation is Sonys best division.

You kinda answered your own question. People are showing Sony that they are willing to spend a lot of money. So why make these people wait 8 years before upgrading instead of giving them the option to do it in 3? They are leaving money on the table. These new consoles are small form pc's anyways with x86 architecture. The success shines even more light on why you should grow out of the 90s.

 

[nbnt]

Dont you "panic" existing ps4 users

So like I expected, it's the Slim, supporting 4k upscaling and movies. It's just Kotaku not knowing the difference between upscaling and running games natively at a res.

 

[Obliterator]

Kotaku is an opinion and clickbait based blog site and is relying on sensationalist headlines or eye-catching gifs and not on serious news reporting.

Let's take a look at some other 'articles' from Mr. Patrick Klepek. I do not know how someone can take a 'rumor' published by him seriously.


My PC Upgraded To Windows 10 Without Asking, Then Immediately Broke

That Time Xbox 360's Uno Game Was Flooded With Dick Pics

The FBI Made A Video Game And It Sucks

Totally 100% Reasonable Mashup Combines Frozen Songs With Amnesia: The Dark Descent

Fan Edited Trailer For The New Ghostbusters Is So Much Better

A Very Mean Mario Maker Checkpoint

An Eight-Year-Old Just Wrecked Me In Mario Maker

Guy Realizes Catherine Totally Predicted His Relationship Woes

Reminder: Dragon’s Dogma’s Ending Is Completely Ridiculous

None of this addresses their leak track record. None.

When it comes to industry leaks and info they are the leader. Full stop

 

[prwxv3]

Some people are still thinking like this is going to be a completely new system, but clearly the PS4.5 is going to play the same games with the same OS, and mostly offer "enhanced" versions with better performance that is optional.

The problem is that a portion of the current PS4 userbase will not be happy if they are no longer playing the definitive console version of a game. Even if they can still play the game fine at lower resolutions or framerates, the fact that the PS4.5 is able to play it better will stick in their craw and they will be unable to enjoy it. Those that are willing to spend the money will upgrade. Those who are not will either get over their bitterness or leave the console space entirely.

Most will not care and keep playing their old console until support is cut after another revisions or so.

 

[thuway]

Hasn't HBM 2 been delayed?

It's not like it's going to be a massive upgrade, that's why I think mentioning Polaris/Zen is a stretch.

Maybe a variant of the 370x? I'm just speculating.

Polaris/Zen are the next big AMD jumps. If this thing really does launch at the end of the year than I expect nothing more than PS4 with UHD Bluray functionality, an HDMI 2.0 port, and a slimmer design.q

 

[Lingitiz]

They will not abandone the existing huge install base that easily. Most likely every other console (every 6 years perhaps) will cut the support of the previous console.

Not saying they'll abandon it. But I don't like the idea of a 3DS/New3DS sorta thing where the game is optimized for the better hardware and runs like trash on the old. Not saying that will happen, but it's possible. At least on the PC it being an open platform gives you the options to tweak and adjust to find something that works for you.

 

[Croatoan]

This issue could be more that overstretching causes the 4.5 version to run at 40fps and the PS4 version is down to 20. When a game designed just for PS4 with its and only it's capabilities in mind could be 30.

Dev targets 30fps, they don't really have to worry about the higher version because it will brute force 60fps.

You optimize for thirty and then let the hardware (or allow tuning) get you 60.

This won't be like pc where you have to optimize for each graphic setting or something.

 

[Bgamer90]

Looking at the gangbusters NPD and international sales data this gen, how is the traditional console model outdated?

PlayStation is Sonys best division.

Exactly -- so Sony wants people to get sucked into the PlayStation ecosystem via more devices (and services NOW) instead of later when they may not possibly be doing gangbusters.

 

[orochi91]

Snip

To be fair, Patrick isn't making up these rumours.

He's simply relaying what has been told to him by the developers at GDC .

These developers have apparently been briefed by Sony, with regards to PS4.5.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Dont you "panic" existing ps4 users

Now I'm really going deep with a conspiracy theory.....

Why panic in quotes? Wasn't that the word used to describe Bends new game?

Could be the game to showcase the new more powerful PS4k/slim at the end of the year/beginning of next!

Can I just say the last ~24 hours at Gaf have been amazing.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Yes, that's why you have to buy more expensive hardware every few years to keep up with the new games. Remember the 750ti that was about the same performance as a PS4 last year? Try playing The Division or Rise of the Tomb Raider with that now.

Tell me how often you think PC gamers on average are upgrading their hardware and how much you think it costs to do so. I'm curious.

 

[Lingitiz]

Kotaku is an opinion and clickbait based blog site and is relying on sensationalist headlines or eye-catching gifs and not on serious news reporting.

Let's take a look at some other 'articles' from Mr. Patrick Klepek. I do not know how someone can take a 'rumor' published by him seriously.


My PC Upgraded To Windows 10 Without Asking, Then Immediately Broke

That Time Xbox 360's Uno Game Was Flooded With Dick Pics

The FBI Made A Video Game And It Sucks

Totally 100% Reasonable Mashup Combines Frozen Songs With Amnesia: The Dark Descent

Fan Edited Trailer For The New Ghostbusters Is So Much Better

A Very Mean Mario Maker Checkpoint

An Eight-Year-Old Just Wrecked Me In Mario Maker

Guy Realizes Catherine Totally Predicted His Relationship Woes

Reminder: Dragon’s Dogma’s Ending Is Completely Ridiculous

Get out of here with this. Klepek has a good track record and reputation of breaking big news.

 

[LostDonkey]

Hypothetically, wouldn't having two consoles capable of playing the game at different fps cause problems online? I've noticed when I play at 120hz with no vsync on PC in BF4 etc that I get a lot better score than playing at 60fps with vsync on. I have an advantage over my friend who only has a 60hz monitor vs mine. So Playing on a ps4 at 30fps would put you at a disadvantage against someone playing the same game at 60fps on a ps4.5, wouldn't it?

Wouldn't it fragment online? Would they have to have separate servers for people on 4 vs 4.5 because of the disparity in frame rate and res etc?

Like someone else said the whole thing about consoles is a level playing field and this kinda goes right up against that full force.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Dont you "panic" existing ps4 users

The plot thickens.

 

[Floody]

If it's just a PS4 that can support up to 4K I wouldn't be too bothered, I'll be a little salty if it's the same price as what I paid for my PS4, but will get over it. Though it would be nice if they let you choose a better FPS over better resolution, I personally have no plans on getting a 4K TV, but I'd buy a new PS4 if it could guarantee a more stable FPS for every game available, doesn't even need to look better or be 60 FPS, just a stable Bloodborne would do.

 

[KOHIPEET]

Tandem rendering incoming! Mark my words!!!

 

[Turkoop]

Now I'm really going deep with a conspiracy theory.....

Why panic in quotes? Wasn't that the word used to describe Bends new game?

Could be the game to showcase the new more powerful PS4k/slim at the end of the year/beginning of next!

Can I just say the last ~24 hours at Gaf have been amazing.

Hmm didn't Shinobi said something about bends game and used the word 'panic' ?!

 

[oti]

 

[Ombala]

I bet it's for 4K streaming and Blu-ray.

 

[Obliterator]

I'm surprised a wild Bish hasn't appeared in here yet lol

 

[kipsta]

I wonder how much Sony will ask for it... $599?

 

[DavidDesu]

This must mean that Microsoft are serious about this to try and usurp the PS4 in the power wars and try to reclaim a lot of lost sales to Sony. Sony maybe felt like they had no choice so they can compete on power.

A rebate for trading in my PS4 and absolutely concrete backwards compatibility and I'm not totally against this idea. The architecture of these consoles from the beginning certainly lead to this possibility becoming a reality. Guess console wars have truly begun!

 

[Gurish]

This. There are 40+ million PS4s out there and that number grows daily. Selling software & services to these people will remain a priority for the foreseeable future, it can't not. At same time modern PC gaming is filled with former core console gamers who were willing to pay a premium for more capable hardware. At this point not giving those types a people more options within the PlayStation ecosystem is literally just leaving money on the table, especially as the chasm between current consoles and PC widens exponentially as time goes on.


Plus it solidifies PSVR going forward as it would be able to receive the more ambitious Vive/Rift ports.

Agree completely, I don't see anything wrong with this as long as games are built for base PS4 and than get an up-port for PS4K, people who wouldn't want to switch will enjoy their console like any traditional gen.

If the only thing that bothers them is that someone is playing their game on a higher settings they will have to get over it, or put the 500$

 

[NobleTeam]

Hope it's true! looking forward to E3 all the more now.

 

[bud23]

Vanilla PS4 peasants

Console wars 2.0

 

[Magwik]

In these 57 pages am I too late to make a "Jeff Rigby redeemed" joke?

 

[Gamerman1]

This is likely to just play UHD bluray's which needs a new drive and decoder and to help out VR a little extra. It's probably just gonna be a reduced die of the current APU and they bump up each core to 2-2.2GHZ and the gpu core. Wouldn't cost them hardly anymore money to do this. Sure some Indie games could run at 4K.

Be nice if current games with frame rate issues would have that fixed with higher speed cpu and gpu. I would hope they wouldn't segment the hardware with old PS4 units running games at 1080p 30fps while new hardware is 1080p 60fps. Be better if PS4.5 ran 1080p 30fps ROCK SOLID with graphics settings at ultra and other games at 1080p 60fps with high/very high settings. Basically match the frame rate cap of old PS4 hardware games but increase everything else.

Now if they go with a separate new cpu and gpu then who knows. Their costs will increase though and I am sure they are thinking about that versus an APU shrink and a nice cpu/gpu clock speed hike.

 

[RiccochetJ]

I wonder how much Sony will ask for it... $599?

I expect that they would go back to their launch price.

 

[gelf]

Not saying they'll abandon it. But I don't like the idea of a 3DS/New3DS sorta thing where the game is optimized for the better hardware and runs like trash on the old. Not saying that will happen, but it's possible. At least on the PC it being an open platform gives you the options to tweak and adjust to find something that works for you.

This is my concern also and is why such a move could push me to PC only rather then my current preference of middling powered PC and one console.

 

[ShooterMcGavin]

...what the hell did I miss?

 

[Cuburt]

Sounds like a disaster.

Trying to push this upgrade with the promises of 4K and VR just sounds like an excuse to push a new more expensive console than something that would benefit most people. PSVR is already expensive enough as it is (and content will be a long time coming) and I may be wrong but if 1080p 60fps just this generation seems like a normal target for console games, I don't see how a .5 upgrade will be enough to start getting reliable 4k performance.

Plus, I doubt this will be a plug in upgrade for current PS4 owners considering HDD upgrading isn't just a simple fix as plugging in a new one.

 

[Afro]

Hypothetically, wouldn't having two consoles capable of playing the game at different fps cause problems online? I've noticed when I play at 120hz with no vsync on PC in BF4 etc that I get a lot better score than playing at 60fps with vsync on. I have an advantage over my friend who only has a 60hz monitor vs mine. So Playing on a ps4 at 30fps would put you at a disadvantage against someone playing the same game at 60fps on a ps4.5, wouldn't it?

Rocket league allows PS4 and PC players to play together. 144hz users do have an advantage over 60hz users, but not a game-breakingly HUGE advantage. 144fps vs. 30fps on the other hand...

 

[wonderful103]

I wonder how much Sony will ask for it... $599?

Presumably it's a replacement to the model on the shelves now. Like what phones do when they put out a new model.

This must mean that Microsoft are serious about this to try and usurp the PS4 in the power wars and try to reclaim a lot of lost sales to Sony. Sony maybe felt like they had no choice so they can compete on power.

A rebate for trading in my PS4 and absolutely concrete backwards compatibility and I'm not totally against this idea. The architecture of these consoles from the beginning certainly lead to this possibility becoming a reality. Guess console wars have truly begun!

These things are a lot longer in the works than that, for all of the players in the market.