You are still getting a tone of good games on the system. Not being 100 percent exclusive will not change that. Unless you can only enjoy games that are exclusive. If you are a huge PC guy instead then the console is probably not for you and that's ok.
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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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You are still getting a tone of good games on the system. Not being 100 percent exclusive will not change that. Unless you can only enjoy games that are exclusive. If you are a huge PC guy instead then the console is probably not for you and that's ok.
Who is this guy? on what he was right about before?
I think the Kotaku article is legit, they have a great record, but I've seen too many insiders fucked up here on GAF, so I'm taking these "end of the year and don't worry existing PS4 users" posts with a grain of salt.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Did you say the same thing about sony when microsoft tried to block used game sales and tried to implement a 24 hour check-in on the xbox one ? You know you did.
But please, continue to talk from your ass.
Giriath_89
Member
How many sources do you need before you are satisfied?
It's not cryptic.
It's a simple statement.
And due the nature of this, everyone should understand that a bit precaution is necessary and why somebody won't just leak everything.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Honestly I'd rather a PS5 than a 4.5
Obliterator
Member
No it isn't. Its multiple sources in the past that that have been right have said it, Jason and Stephen also independently got sources to vet it, and that devs are talking about it at GDC.
I mean thats pretty damn solid. That is 3 excellent journalists all have separate sources vet the same thing.
Not really, just as they think they've caught up the get leaped over again, lol.
I just don't really believe this, but if the architecture allows much easier upgrading of the system while maintaining backwards compatibility, then it could be true. Consoles will be better in the long run once they homogenise a little, rather than introducing drastically different tech every gen and excluding new users from older content every few years. So basically PlayStation becomes like iOS. I don't mind this. I still can't see a huge jump and imagine this might just be a 4K movie player update and you never know, might include PSVR breakout box i thermally to cut down on the ridiculous cable management that PSVR will dictate.
I'm there day one, and my bank account cries.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Awful idea. Give me PS5 or don't bother.
It's PS5, isn't it.
What about the leaker of The Last Guardian, FF7 Remake and Shenmue 3 for E3 telling you it's happening?
Pokemaniac
Member
With how long this has most likely been in the pipe, I think it's more likely that Nintendo would be a driving factor rather than Microsoft. Nintendo has been hinting they'll go in this general direction for years.
I'm actually surprised people thought we'd get 7-8 years of the same hardware from Sony and Microsoft. I don't know about anyone else but I think that's ludicrous. Day 1 this gen I knew we'd be having upgradable consoles. Given today's industry across electronics and how things are changing in 2016, why would we stick to an outdated model?
That and the icing on the cake was this news from a while ago:
SCE Executive Vice President: Possible enhanced version PS4.
I'm pretty sure he just said TLG fans would be happy, and after the conference he said he also knew about FF7 but had no idea about Shenmue 3
I could be wrong tho
Orniletter
Banned
I kinda feel similarly.
I wish I had known about all this back in early 2015 when I bought my PS4, literally everything I'm interested in is on PC now too (save for Persona 5 and FF XV, but XV will come anyway and P5 is on the PS3 ). Bloodborne was alright I guess, but easily skippable.
Meh.
Papacheeks
Banned
Yup.
I believe ever since Sega tried this, that it's not the way to go and alienates your consumers along with adding more work/confusion to developers on which system to prioritize on.
Omnistalgic
Member
What the fook is going on here? Is this good news or bad?
That would be a murder.
MassiveNights
Banned
You'd be crazy to buy a PS4 or Xbox One right now with these rumours washing about.
I don't think many were expecting 7-8 years, but what would occur other than that has been a mystery.
It makes sense that they'd follow a model closer to how phones are released (revised every year), but how far they'd go in that direction was and still is unknown to us.
shouamabane
Member
Personally, I'd be into a PS7.5.
Netherscourge
Banned
The new PS4.5 will be water resistant and comes with a microSD slot and a removable battery!
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I dont anyone expected another gen like the last but i damn sure didn't expect this at 3 years in either, just when thins were getting good. I expected higher gig models and such tho
Sephiroth_VII
Member
You mean the opportunity to release games on their own PC storefront? I'm pretty sure Sony could do that if they wanted to.
What the hell are you babbling about? I'm saying if Sony had a desktop OS that had 100's of millions of users with a gaming store baked in they would of course use it. The idea of business is to expand and make more money. What does this have to do with whatever you are talking about?
Pokemaniac
Member
Optimusdouche
Banned
Yea, but new games for the N3DS didn't work on the older one.
New games for a PS4.5 would mean all the games, at least the non VR ones, would work on PS4 too. That's why it's called PS4.5 and not a new console.
Those games would just run and look better on the newer version.
I think the problem with this is that games won't be coded to the metal as much since the code will have to run on two different architectures. But, perhaps, two configurations won't be that much of an issue at all.
This is an intriguing idea. I think it's great for us and for consumers. By now, a new version would probably be an absolute beast.
More work - yes
Tons more work - shouldn't be
Look at Digital Foundry face offs. They often get down to the level of granularity of identifying which PC setting is high/medium/low on the console versions. So a lot of (most?) console games are built from a base of a PC engine. It would be a controllable amount of work to produce another version which had higher resolution, or supported some of those PC settings turned up a notch
I don't know why everyone is freaking out. It doesn't obsolete your current console.
Although if it really is this year then I can't see it being anything other than a tweaked revision with HDMI 2.0 and Netflix 4K etc. 14/16nm won't be nearly mature enough to make a meaningful leap forward in performance
Giriath_89
Member
Because if insiders weren't cryptic there wouldn't be any insiders.
This one said TLG would be at E3. They said this PS4 model would release at year's end. How is that for cryptic?
Netherscourge
Banned
agreed, this is pretty much it.
unlike that bullshit Destructoid NX thread, this one very much deserves the thousands of posts it's going to get. This is real
He wasn't approaching the topic from the viewpoint that the games would essentially be running on the equivalent of two fixed PC specs. He was treating the news as the upgraded machine being a completely unique system requiring a new port... like how having an X1 and PS4 version of the same game requires significant additional development. He didn't subscribe to the idea of the new machine even being compatible with existing games without resorting to emulation.
He really wasn't making the same point that are being discussed here, and honestly they shouldn't really have been discussed in the Xbox thread either, because releasing a non-backwards compatible model isn't a "more powerful" PS4 or XB1, it's a completely different generation of console.
Mediking
Member
The "outdated" model is safe and nice to my wallet....
When I got a PS4, I was thinking about games and not "LOL. This console will be replaced in 3-4 years. I better enjoy it before its time to upgrade!"
Battlechili
Banned
This doesn't make sense to me/seems highly unlikely.
4k with modern games takes an extremely large amount of power to do while running games well. An upgraded PS4 like this would have to either be extremely expensive, run games really poorly, or simply not happen.
To put things in perspective, I have a $1300 gaming PC. It struggles to run some games at 1080p when at max settings (for example, Rise of the Tomb Raider). I've also tested some other things on it, like using the max AA settings on Final Fantasy Type 0 HD, which supersamples the game to 4k. My computer had framerate drops, and that's an HD remaster of a PSP game that runs at 30FPS normally. Because of my experience with 4k, I can't see how Sony could pull this off without having a PS4 that would be obscenely expensive. And at that point, would it really be worth it?
4k with modern games takes an extremely large amount of power to do while running games well. An upgraded PS4 like this would have to either be extremely expensive, run games really poorly, or simply not happen.
To put things in perspective, I have a $1300 gaming PC. It struggles to run some games at 1080p when at max settings (for example, Rise of the Tomb Raider). I've also tested some other things on it, like using the max AA settings on Final Fantasy Type 0 HD, which supersamples the game to 4k. My computer had framerate drops, and that's an HD remaster of a PSP game that runs at 30FPS normally. Because of my experience with 4k, I can't see how Sony could pull this off without having a PS4 that would be obscenely expensive. And at that point, would it really be worth it?
Papacheeks
Banned
For people who like, or agree with how PC is setup in upgrades and difference choices they think it's good.
For people who have seen this tried in the pasty with New 3DS and sega think it is a bad road to go down for both consumers and developers.
wonderful103
Member
Yep, exactly. N3DS was a sort of half step. All of the new platforms are going whole-hog into the ios/android/etc model.
There is no metal. There hasn't been in a long while.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Sony: We would like to introduce to you:
"The Newest PS4"
And then on Microsoft's conference:
Phil Spencer: "The Xbox Won 2" (To confuse people with the naming conventions even more it's turns out it's just an upgraded version of Xbox One)
Then Nintendo go "jeez, all of these nonsensical naming conventions, come on guys, we've got to outdo them, erm Shiggy what should we call our next console?"
Miyamoto: *in English* "Shiggsy Pu" *grins*
Nintendo: Genius, let's go with that.
Miyamoto: *in Japanese* What? But I was joking.
Nintendo: Yeah, yeah, we know you are a genius, thanks once again. Damn, we really need to trademark that, stat.
SolidSnakex
Member
Well, something has to give. It simply doesn't make sense for Sony to release another platform this year when they're going to be trying to launch PSVR. Yoshida recently said that as VR manufacturers they're all in this together because they all know how hard it's going to be to get it to stick given how many times its failed in the past. Launching an upgraded PS4 alongside that is going to cause confusion on top of making people pick between what they want. Do they want PSVR or do they want this new console that's capable of significantly better visuals than the current PS4? They'd effectively be sabotaging PSVR.
Like I said earlier, I could see this being an end of the generation scenario for Sony. Something that they release two or so years from now. That way prices would be down so it's not extremely expensive and it would be at the point where consoles traditionally transition to a new generation.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
MS talked about this during their conference in February. Also, Phil drops some huge hints on Major Nelson's podcast from March 4th. http://majornelson.com/podcast/mnr-564-phil-spencer-spring-games-and-more/
To be fair, they haven't come right out and said anything official yet.
